RE: Mystery Ferrari mule could be V6 hybrid
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sumpoil said:
I thought Ferrari said they would never make an SUV? How disappointing.
But regardless of whether this video is of a V6, V8 or in-line 4 hybrid, I'm guessing it will still be great from the driver's seat. Sadly most of us experience these cars only from the outside - no doubt it will look good, but unfortunately I suspect the days of wailing V8 FPC engines is almost at an end. We can only hope that some brain-iac scientist comes up with a clean-burning alternative to fossil fuel .... so come on Poindexters, get with the programme!
EG Hydrogen.But regardless of whether this video is of a V6, V8 or in-line 4 hybrid, I'm guessing it will still be great from the driver's seat. Sadly most of us experience these cars only from the outside - no doubt it will look good, but unfortunately I suspect the days of wailing V8 FPC engines is almost at an end. We can only hope that some brain-iac scientist comes up with a clean-burning alternative to fossil fuel .... so come on Poindexters, get with the programme!
myhandle said:
EG Hydrogen.
Indeed, yes ..... but only if it's burnt with oxygen rather than air, otherwise you still get some NOx emissions. Not an impossible problem to solve though, you wouldn't have thought. I assume it would be less detrimental to the environment than the production and disposal of battery packs too ..... but I guess there must be some issue I'm missing.
sumpoil said:
Indeed, yes ..... but only if it's burnt with oxygen rather than air, otherwise you still get some NOx emissions. Not an impossible problem to solve though, you wouldn't have thought. I assume it would be less detrimental to the environment than the production and disposal of battery packs too ..... but I guess there must be some issue I'm missing.
Apart from the fact that all hydrogen is produced from oil currently! And transporting it is incredibly energy inefficient. A hydrogen car (one that uses a fuel cell) is less than 30% efficient well to wheel versus 80% for an electric car. Combusting it is even less efficient, so you’d be looking at even worse efficiency than a petrol engine.By the looks of the HV stickers on the doors, I’d suggest some sort of 488 with a KERS style crank booster. Or maybe electric turbos. Either way, it’s good to see Ferrari planning on using multi cylinder engines in future still.
There are very few secrets in that town. RacerMike said:
Apart from the fact that all hydrogen is produced from oil currently! And transporting it is incredibly energy inefficient. A hydrogen car (one that uses a fuel cell) is less than 30% efficient well to wheel versus 80% for an electric car. Combusting it is even less efficient, so you’d be looking at even worse efficiency than a petrol engine.
By the looks of the HV stickers on the doors, I’d suggest some sort of 488 with a KERS style crank booster. Or maybe electric turbos. Either way, it’s good to see Ferrari planning on using multi cylinder engines in future still.
Yep, but it's possible to get hydrogen from lots of other sources. Combustion efficiency, from what I understand, depends on quite a few different factors - but does efficiency matter that much if all you produce is (mainly) water? As I said, one for the Poindexters. I'm sure it must have been investigated and discarded for some reason - but my original point was, if you could get something to work it would be good for cars that sound good ..... which can only be, errr .... good! By the looks of the HV stickers on the doors, I’d suggest some sort of 488 with a KERS style crank booster. Or maybe electric turbos. Either way, it’s good to see Ferrari planning on using multi cylinder engines in future still.
sumpoil said:
Yep, but it's possible to get hydrogen from lots of other sources. Combustion efficiency, from what I understand, depends on quite a few different factors - but does efficiency matter that much if all you produce is (mainly) water? As I said, one for the Poindexters. I'm sure it must have been investigated and discarded for some reason - but my original point was, if you could get something to work it would be good for cars that sound good ..... which can only be, errr .... good!
It is, but it's incredibly energy intensive to get it through means such as electrolysis. Also, the storage requirements (at 5,000-10,000psi) mean that its very space inefficient in a car and very hard to transport. I just don't see it being sustainable in any way, and the energy cost is huge versus electricity generation. Whilst the tailpipe emissions when used in a fuel cell are water, the carbon footprint is considerably more per mile driven than an electric car.I wouldn't worry too much about sports cars. The legal requirements for 2040 (or 2032 if we go with the more recent suggestion) exclude petrol and diesel powered vehicles. But they don't exclude petrol and diesel hybrids ( https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/09/h...). The reality is, your 2040 Ferrari 488 or Porsche 911 will have a ICE which is supported by an electric drive unit which can allow 50km of engine off running (enough for most 'commuter' journeys, but allowing fun to be had with your nice sonorous V8 or flat 6). Think McLaren P1 and you have the right idea....
Edited by RacerMike on Wednesday 24th October 16:18
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