RE: Aston Martin sells Vanquish design for £20m

RE: Aston Martin sells Vanquish design for £20m

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JackP1

1,269 posts

162 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Love how PH comment on it being a "Dated look" from only 2012

Aston are still shipping out V600 Vantages from a car that was out in 2006. Now fk about, thats dated!

DanielSan

18,799 posts

167 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Sebastian Tombs said:
David Brown Automotive?
Please God no. They've already ruined the old XK, don't let them do it to the Vanquish.

ukaskew

10,642 posts

221 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Dyson is a good shout, they've been quietly building some impressive facilities for an EV, dropping that tech into something that resembles a Vanquish would be no bad thing.

LooneyTunes

6,851 posts

158 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Even with the tooling, I can’t imagine it would be easy to reproduce the carbon panels without considerable CF expertise and doubt they could be used for any other sort of construction.

A very strange story.

MikeGalos

261 posts

284 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Well, hardly an unprecedented deal. Reminds me of the deals Lotus made that resulted in the Caterham 7 and the Kia Elan.

JohnG1

3,471 posts

205 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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LooneyTunes said:
Even with the tooling, I can’t imagine it would be easy to reproduce the carbon panels without considerable CF expertise and doubt they could be used for any other sort of construction.

A very strange story.
AML did not make the carbon fibre panels - that was multimatic.



JohnG1

3,471 posts

205 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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The VH platform used the Vanquish mk 2 is pretty advanced compared to most mainstream manufacturers. The lazy journalists that referred to it as venerable didn't really understand that VH is a construction technique rather than a specific chassis.

So - look at how Tesla got started with an old Lotus. Same business model here?

oilit

2,630 posts

178 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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According to another publication:...

"And keep in mind, whomever bought the tooling and designs (and, for the record, also scored a year and a half of consulting help from Aston Martin to work on the project)"

It's an odd one - why would they want to help an EV company given the Lagonda strategy...

Maybe it's someone like Dyson - but I would have thought he would be looking to build a car for the masses - not exactly the Vanquish space?

I wonder if it's a company that will build something that Aston would like to build, and doesn't have time/money/resources, or perhaps a company like Fraser Nash (Bristol) or maybe even Morgan to replace the frog eyed monster


Edited by oilit on Thursday 25th October 06:47

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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JohnG1 said:
The VH platform used the Vanquish mk 2 is pretty advanced compared to most mainstream manufacturers. The lazy journalists that referred to it as venerable didn't really understand that VH is a construction technique rather than a specific chassis.
Mmm. So have Aston sold a licence to use that VH construction technique, too?

JohnG1 said:
So - look at how Tesla got started with an old Lotus. Same business model here?
Not really. Tesla bought "gliders" - rolling shells without drivetrain - from Lotus.

Cold

15,247 posts

90 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
JohnG1 said:
The VH platform used the Vanquish mk 2 is pretty advanced compared to most mainstream manufacturers. The lazy journalists that referred to it as venerable didn't really understand that VH is a construction technique rather than a specific chassis.
Mmm. So have Aston sold a licence to use that VH construction technique, too?

JohnG1 said:
So - look at how Tesla got started with an old Lotus. Same business model here?
Not really. Tesla bought "gliders" - rolling shells without drivetrain - from Lotus.
Lotus were consultants for the VH platform. It's the same construction principle used in the Elise, Evora and more pertinently the APX.

hornmeister

809 posts

91 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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If it were me flogging the rights it would be to an EV company.
I'd take a percentage of the company as well as the cash with a view to taking the company over if the designs looked liek they'd be successful.
Aston don't have much if anything on the way other than the RapidE do they?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Cold said:
Lotus were consultants for the VH platform. It's the same construction principle used in the Elise, Evora and more pertinently the APX.
Sure, and the Rapide and probably the DBX, too.

But it's still a big chunk of current-range tech to be giving access to for relative pocket change.

SmilerFTM

829 posts

150 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Can't imagine it being a Chinese manufacturer, they'd just but a second hand car and copy it regardless of who had the copyrights and save themselves the best part of the £20 million

ArmouredBiscuit

1,139 posts

234 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Maybe it's Fisker, so at last they can legally make their stuff look almost identical. biggrin

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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ArmouredBiscuit said:
Maybe it's Fisker, so at last they can legally make their stuff look almost identical. biggrin
That'd be Karma.

Mr-B

3,780 posts

194 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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oilit said:
According to another publication:...

"And keep in mind, whomever bought the tooling and designs (and, for the record, also scored a year and a half of consulting help from Aston Martin to work on the project)"

It's an odd one - why would they want to help an EV company given the Lagonda strategy...

Maybe it's someone like Dyson - but I would have thought he would be looking to build a car for the masses - not exactly the Vanquish space?

I wonder if it's a company that will build something that Aston would like to build, and doesn't have time/money/resources, or perhaps a company like Fraser Nash (Bristol) or maybe even Morgan to replace the frog eyed monster


Edited by oilit on Thursday 25th October 06:47
Dyson did say he was going to create a more premium offering, more Tesla that Twizzy but he strikes me as the type that would go for a clean sheet design something to set himself apart from the usual offerings and buying and old design doesn't really fit in that respect. Interesting story nonetheless.

cookie1600

2,116 posts

161 months

greyarea

30 posts

150 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Sebastian Tombs said:
David Brown Automotive?
+1

This was my 1st thought

Mr-B

3,780 posts

194 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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Zagato?

Moulder

1,466 posts

212 months

Thursday 25th October 2018
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cookie1600 said:
Easy to see how they might put their hands in their pockets...