RE: Cupra Ateca: Driven

[Max M4X WW]

I'm not clued up on the price difference between this and the Macan but the biggest difference must be the interior surely? My parents Tiguan R-Line wasn't all that and this can only be 'worse'?

[Sheepshanks]

Dale487 said:

The Ateca & Macan have very similar cabin accommodation and boot size.

I thought Macan was basically an Audi Q5 - surely be quite a bit bigger than Ateca? Os is the space mostly taken up by fitting the engine lengthways?

[anonymous-user]

You'd have thought they would try a bit harder to liven up the interior, or at least differentiate it in some way from the standard SEAT offering. It looks exactly the same as my (£15K cheaper) Leon.

[fernando the frog]

the badge looks like when people stick transformers crap on their car

other than that it's ok, think i'd rather get a volvo or something like that

[underphil]

Blanchimont said:

underphil said:

the 280bhp Alfa Stelvio is probably the closest rival, costs a few grand more though and isn't quite as quick

It's about 10k more. But the Mrs is looking for other options than a stelvio, this may be it.

about £10K = £7K

[nicholasm]

Article said:

With seven models due by 2020, its bosses promise that making Cupra its own entity isn't just a marketing ploy; it's about unleashing the Spanish performance division from the ties of its parent. "We want to take it out of the Seat world to the race track," is how sales and marketing boss Wayne Griffiths put it earlier this year.

See, this is where I don't understand the rationale behind making Cupra its own entity (unless it is actually just a marketing ploy).

SEAT has a decent motorsport history. The majority of this was in rallying, long before the Cupra portmanteau was even thought of. Personally, the main thing I associate SEAT Sport with is the 2006 BTCC manufacturer's championship win - and the Leons that competed were not Cupras.

So, if SEAT has the motorsport association rather than the Cupra brand, maybe there are big plans for Cupra to get on the race track in the near future. Is this the case?

[Sheepshanks]

Spumfry said:

You'd have thought they would try a bit harder to liven up the interior, or at least differentiate it in some way from the standard SEAT offering. It looks exactly the same as my (£15K cheaper) Leon.

It's got active display. The seats in the picture are options, I think.

Other than that, most VAG cars look pretty similar inside. Daughter has a sub £20K Ateca - even that has things like leather seats and LED headlights. It's very similar inside to the Golf she had before.

[Funk]

Article said:

This setup enables the hot Ateca to sprint from 0-62mph in 5.2 seconds, leaving it only three tenths shy of the 300hp Volkswagen Golf R and its closely related technical setup, despite being 130kg heavier at 1,632kg all in.

Not so - the DSG Golf R is 4.6 seconds to 62, making it over half a second quicker than the Ateca.

PH - Pedantry Matters...

[Matt Bird]

BrightonEd said:

SEAT!
Not 'Seat'

It's an acronym - 'Sociedad Española de Automóviles de Turismo'

Do you have no sub-editors any more?

Yours, grammatically, etc..

This is an ongoing debate at PH, trust me! I think it should be capped up (for your reason), others think differently... I'll pass it on.

Also, we've never had a dedicated sub-editor!


Matt

[mrnoisy78]

Burwood said:

Many reasons to buy a base Macan. It’s a Porsche. And no it’s not just a badge. The Seat looks like a nice package for the money. Make it as a Tiguan allspace and my wife would be very happy. Well, I would when I drove it.

Both the examples you listed are simply overpriced family wagons for badge snobs, and the VW is nothing special compared to the SEAT.
For me, the decision is simple - if you truly *need* an SUV, there should be two avenues - either buy an SUV that's cheap and cheerful so you don't get upset when your kids ruin it (which they always do!), or if you intend to use it as a proper offroad vehicle, buy one that's with real off-road capabilities (i.e. not parking on the kerb in South Kensington to do shopping).

For everything else there's a sports car or estate that will do a better job of going fast and handling round bends.
I get that some people want a fast car that's still practical but that's what estates are for imo.

[Blanchimont]

underphil said:

Blanchimont said:

underphil said:

the 280bhp Alfa Stelvio is probably the closest rival, costs a few grand more though and isn't quite as quick

It's about 10k more. But the Mrs is looking for other options than a stelvio, this may be it.

about £10K = £7K

The Milano Edizone which has the 280hp petrol is (super is 200hp) is £46k, 10 more.

[Composite Guru]

mrnoisy78 said:

Burwood said:

Many reasons to buy a base Macan. It’s a Porsche. And no it’s not just a badge. The Seat looks like a nice package for the money. Make it as a Tiguan allspace and my wife would be very happy. Well, I would when I drove it.

Both the examples you listed are simply overpriced family wagons for badge snobs, and the VW is nothing special compared to the SEAT.
For me, the decision is simple - if you truly *need* an SUV, there should be two avenues - either buy an SUV that's cheap and cheerful so you don't get upset when your kids ruin it (which they always do!), or if you intend to use it as a proper offroad vehicle, buy one that's with real off-road capabilities (i.e. not parking on the kerb in South Kensington to do shopping).

For everything else there's a sports car or estate that will do a better job of going fast and handling round bends.
I get that some people want a fast car that's still practical but that's what estates are for imo.

I agree. I just don't understand why people want a brick with sports car performance.

[ToothbrushMan]

Funk said:

Article said:

This setup enables the hot Ateca to sprint from 0-62mph in 5.2 seconds, leaving it only three tenths shy of the 300hp Volkswagen Golf R and its closely related technical setup, despite being 130kg heavier at 1,632kg all in.

Not so - the DSG Golf R is 4.6 seconds to 62, making it over half a second quicker than the Ateca.

PH - Pedantry Matters...

If it matters then you wont mind if I just leave this here.......

......the Golf doesnt have 300hp anymore.

[Funk]

ToothbrushMan said:

Funk said:

Article said:

This setup enables the hot Ateca to sprint from 0-62mph in 5.2 seconds, leaving it only three tenths shy of the 300hp Volkswagen Golf R and its closely related technical setup, despite being 130kg heavier at 1,632kg all in.

Not so - the DSG Golf R is 4.6 seconds to 62, making it over half a second quicker than the Ateca.

PH - Pedantry Matters...

If it matters then you wont mind if I just leave this here.......

......the Golf doesnt have 300hp anymore.

Well if we're being ultra-pedanty it has 296 mechanical horsepower (bhp) but 300 metric horsepower (hp).

[rtz62]

Composite Guru said:

mrnoisy78 said:

Burwood said:

Many reasons to buy a base Macan. It’s a Porsche. And no it’s not just a badge. The Seat looks like a nice package for the money. Make it as a Tiguan allspace and my wife would be very happy. Well, I would when I drove it.

Both the examples you listed are simply overpriced family wagons for badge snobs, and the VW is nothing special compared to the SEAT.
For me, the decision is simple - if you truly *need* an SUV, there should be two avenues - either buy an SUV that's cheap and cheerful so you don't get upset when your kids ruin it (which they always do!), or if you intend to use it as a proper offroad vehicle, buy one that's with real off-road capabilities (i.e. not parking on the kerb in South Kensington to do shopping).

For everything else there's a sports car or estate that will do a better job of going fast and handling round bends.
I get that some people want a fast car that's still practical but that's what estates are for imo.

I agree. I just don't understand why people want a brick with sports car performance.

Might be for people like me that are registered disabled and can't easily, or actually get down into a 'normal' car?

[jhayward1980]

Composite Guru said:

I agree. I just don't understand why people want a brick with sports car performance.

Because:

1) need a car big enough for kit, kids, and dog
2) wife likes a car that's high because it's easier to put kids in car seats and it's nicer to sit up high
3) I would like a car to have some grunt and am not going to buy a second play car

[nicholasm]

Matt Bird said:

BrightonEd said:

SEAT!
Not 'Seat'

It's an acronym - 'Sociedad Española de Automóviles de Turismo'

Do you have no sub-editors any more?

Yours, grammatically, etc..

This is an ongoing debate at PH, trust me! I think it should be capped up (for your reason), others think differently... I'll pass it on.

Also, we've never had a dedicated sub-editor!


Matt

Surely it's not a matter of opinion or style but a matter of fact. How does the manufacturer write it? https://www.seat.com/

Sorry, I'm not making this comments section any less pedantic!

Edited by nicholasm on Tuesday 30th October 15:39

[Composite Guru]

rtz62 said:

Composite Guru said:

mrnoisy78 said:

Burwood said:

Many reasons to buy a base Macan. It’s a Porsche. And no it’s not just a badge. The Seat looks like a nice package for the money. Make it as a Tiguan allspace and my wife would be very happy. Well, I would when I drove it.

Both the examples you listed are simply overpriced family wagons for badge snobs, and the VW is nothing special compared to the SEAT.
For me, the decision is simple - if you truly *need* an SUV, there should be two avenues - either buy an SUV that's cheap and cheerful so you don't get upset when your kids ruin it (which they always do!), or if you intend to use it as a proper offroad vehicle, buy one that's with real off-road capabilities (i.e. not parking on the kerb in South Kensington to do shopping).

For everything else there's a sports car or estate that will do a better job of going fast and handling round bends.
I get that some people want a fast car that's still practical but that's what estates are for imo.

I agree. I just don't understand why people want a brick with sports car performance.

Might be for people like me that are registered disabled and can't easily, or actually get down into a 'normal' car?

I didn't think of that.

But what did people do before these hideous things were ever invented? Struggle I suppose.

[GranCab]

nicholasm said:

Surely it's not a matter of opinion or style but a matter of fact. How does the manufacturer write it? https://www.seat.com/

Sorry, I'm not making this comments section any less pedantic!

Edited by nicholasm on Tuesday 30th October 15:39

Coz you have to write web addresses in lower case ?

[Northernlights]

Sorry if this has been answered and I have missed it somewhere, but where do you purchase one? Is it just from the local SEAT dealer? The Seat website takes you to a dedicated Cupra website, but configure one and you just get a PDF, not dealer details, unless I've missed something. If you do purchase from SEAT dealers, bearing in mind you are purchasing a 'Vanden Plas-ed' car that is essentially the top trim/engine spec of a normal SEAT, then I can see this being as much of a success as the rebranding of Citroen DS models to just DS; there is no brand cachet, no unique 'experience' and no real differentiation to make this stand out.

Nonetheless, I dislike SUVs on the whole (something about the raised hatchback thing seems pretentious and deceptive to me) but actually rather like this. I'd, uh, need to debadge the nose though...