RE: New EU law could effectively ban motorsport
Discussion
Will you shut up with this "shame on you", "clickbait" rubbish. Read the following from 22nd of October.
https://www.the-mia.com/MIA-Social-Media-Campaign-...
https://www.the-mia.com/MIA-Social-Media-Campaign-...
This is NOT clickbait as far as the Vnuk information is concerned
A couple of years ago this appeared and the government sent out survey for anyone interested enough to fill it in...I did just that because this Motorsport problem is just the tip of the iceberg....
The intention is that all motorised vehicles, tractors, quads,motor mowers , yes, that's right motor mowers etc, anything with an engine and wheels to move it on.
It included all off the road vehicles, sorn stuff, and in theory, anything in boxes in your garage that was registered with the DVLA. That was where my interest was, old bikes in bits!
The survey invited a big crosssection of clubs to comment too and was also open to public comment , completing an online form with some complicated and typical political crappo speak....
It looks as if it is coming to a head shortly, but it has been quietly ticking away these past couple of years.
A couple of years ago this appeared and the government sent out survey for anyone interested enough to fill it in...I did just that because this Motorsport problem is just the tip of the iceberg....
The intention is that all motorised vehicles, tractors, quads,motor mowers , yes, that's right motor mowers etc, anything with an engine and wheels to move it on.
It included all off the road vehicles, sorn stuff, and in theory, anything in boxes in your garage that was registered with the DVLA. That was where my interest was, old bikes in bits!
The survey invited a big crosssection of clubs to comment too and was also open to public comment , completing an online form with some complicated and typical political crappo speak....
It looks as if it is coming to a head shortly, but it has been quietly ticking away these past couple of years.
Ptr400J said:
This is NOT clickbait as far as the Vnuk information is concerned
A couple of years ago this appeared and the government sent out survey for anyone interested enough to fill it in...I did just that because this Motorsport problem is just the tip of the iceberg....
The intention is that all motorised vehicles, tractors, quads,motor mowers , yes, that's right motor mowers etc, anything with an engine and wheels to move it on.
It included all off the road vehicles, sorn stuff, and in theory, anything in boxes in your garage that was registered with the DVLA. That was where my interest was, old bikes in bits!
The survey invited a big crosssection of clubs to comment too and was also open to public comment , completing an online form with some complicated and typical political crappo speak....
It looks as if it is coming to a head shortly, but it has been quietly ticking away these past couple of years.
Aye I remember that one, I was concerned too (cars and bikes sorned/in bits all over the place) about the need to insure a vehicle not in use as well as the motorsport aspect. A couple of years ago this appeared and the government sent out survey for anyone interested enough to fill it in...I did just that because this Motorsport problem is just the tip of the iceberg....
The intention is that all motorised vehicles, tractors, quads,motor mowers , yes, that's right motor mowers etc, anything with an engine and wheels to move it on.
It included all off the road vehicles, sorn stuff, and in theory, anything in boxes in your garage that was registered with the DVLA. That was where my interest was, old bikes in bits!
The survey invited a big crosssection of clubs to comment too and was also open to public comment , completing an online form with some complicated and typical political crappo speak....
It looks as if it is coming to a head shortly, but it has been quietly ticking away these past couple of years.
Hopefully this will actually blow over as the over-thought under-researched idea that it actually is.
It is funny how some people respond to something they don't like to hear! If large motorsport organisations are taking it seriously, then I would suggest that it is very real and typical of the ill-thought through policy/legislation that affects our lives at both national and EU level (I worked in the motor trade and saw a fair bit of both).
I am not an expert on motorsport insurance but I would expect large race teams to simply stump up what is required. Where it leaves the 'amateur racer' or track day fan could well be a different matter depending upon the costs/risk pricing etc. Having said that, perhaps compulsory 3rd party cover against damage to other vehicles at track days may not be a bad idea.
As for bycicles, what does current home insurance cover? Is it theft of the bike or the damage caused by the cyclist to other vehicles/people in accidents? Perhaps one of the reasons for the low claims rate is that cycles do not carry registration identity so therefore nobody knows who caused the damage and many cyclists zoom off secure in the knowledge that nobody knows them from Adam. Do I think that compulsory 3rd party insurance for cyclists is a good idea? Yes. How could it be made to work/how would it affect children who use their bikes occasionally? I have no idea.
I am not an expert on motorsport insurance but I would expect large race teams to simply stump up what is required. Where it leaves the 'amateur racer' or track day fan could well be a different matter depending upon the costs/risk pricing etc. Having said that, perhaps compulsory 3rd party cover against damage to other vehicles at track days may not be a bad idea.
As for bycicles, what does current home insurance cover? Is it theft of the bike or the damage caused by the cyclist to other vehicles/people in accidents? Perhaps one of the reasons for the low claims rate is that cycles do not carry registration identity so therefore nobody knows who caused the damage and many cyclists zoom off secure in the knowledge that nobody knows them from Adam. Do I think that compulsory 3rd party insurance for cyclists is a good idea? Yes. How could it be made to work/how would it affect children who use their bikes occasionally? I have no idea.
Why are people going on about F1 and the top tier?
It won't even touch them, they're insured already and any additional cover they need will be a drop in the ocean compared to what they already have and spend.
The people this affects is those storing cars in a garage for restoration, the guys with a car or two in the workshop going racing once a month in club motorsport or bangers, etc - where the cost of insurance may well exceed what they're actually spending per month on the actual racing/running.
It won't even touch them, they're insured already and any additional cover they need will be a drop in the ocean compared to what they already have and spend.
The people this affects is those storing cars in a garage for restoration, the guys with a car or two in the workshop going racing once a month in club motorsport or bangers, etc - where the cost of insurance may well exceed what they're actually spending per month on the actual racing/running.
Usget said:
This story has been around at least a couple of years. I think PH covered it back then, too. There were certainly threads on it back in December 2016.
Certainly been discussed before, the EU certainly know how to waste our money.Edited by dc2rr07 on Tuesday 6th November 20:24
RegMolehusband said:
Will you shut up with this "shame on you", "clickbait" rubbish. Read the following from 22nd of October.
https://www.the-mia.com/MIA-Social-Media-Campaign-...
Well said. As I understand it, as worded the EU proposal is a serious threat to motorsports and similar activities. The wording was supposed to have been amended in 2016 to be applicable ''in traffic'' but it hasn't been. Those dismissing the story out of hand might want to pull their heads out their backsides long enough to google it.https://www.the-mia.com/MIA-Social-Media-Campaign-...
Alex P said:
As for bycicles, what does current home insurance cover? Is it theft of the bike or the damage caused by the cyclist to other vehicles/people in accidents?
The second one.I think when I lived in the UK my house insurance included general public liability cover, except for motor vehicles and IIRC firearms.
Ranger 6 said:
The MSA have been working on VNUK for years - why has it taken Haymarket so long to pick up on it.......?
It's popping up everywhere. I assume there's a deadline looming.https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/105160/all-...
feef said:
"any use of a vehicle, consistent with its normal function as a means of transport, irrespective of the terrain on which the motor vehicle is used and whether it is stationary or in motion"
can one really argue that an F1 car is a 'means of transport'? transport means to convey goods or people from one place to another. No-one could easily argue that an F1's car purpose is the conveyance of anything from one place to another, not least that the start and finish are in the same location, without any drop-offs in between
Wow, you did ‘Feef’ this right out of my mouth cos I was about to remark exactly the same thing can one really argue that an F1 car is a 'means of transport'? transport means to convey goods or people from one place to another. No-one could easily argue that an F1's car purpose is the conveyance of anything from one place to another, not least that the start and finish are in the same location, without any drop-offs in between
Spot on.
Piha said:
WHAT...!!!!!
Just wait until that lovely Mr Farage hears about this (non story).....!
I'm sure he'll be straight in contact with his good friend Aaron Banks - i've heard he even has ties to an insurance company. Maybe he's the solution and can step in with some offshore tax haven-esque money to help part fund all the new insurance policies that will be required Just wait until that lovely Mr Farage hears about this (non story).....!
velocgee said:
feef said:
"any use of a vehicle, consistent with its normal function as a means of transport, irrespective of the terrain on which the motor vehicle is used and whether it is stationary or in motion"
can one really argue that an F1 car is a 'means of transport'? transport means to convey goods or people from one place to another. No-one could easily argue that an F1's car purpose is the conveyance of anything from one place to another, not least that the start and finish are in the same location, without any drop-offs in between
Wow, you did ‘Feef’ this right out of my mouth cos I was about to remark exactly the same thing can one really argue that an F1 car is a 'means of transport'? transport means to convey goods or people from one place to another. No-one could easily argue that an F1's car purpose is the conveyance of anything from one place to another, not least that the start and finish are in the same location, without any drop-offs in between
Spot on.
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