RE: BMW Z4 M40i: Driven
Discussion
E65Ross said:
Firstly, your initial comment about asking why you'd buy one over an M140i is answered by your 2nd comment about wanting a convertible. What if you want a convertible 6 cylinder car?
Your comment about no other manufacturer sharing engines like that is very true. Except for Audi with the TT S and the S3 (these aren't M cars, but "M performance cars.....so not rival to RS Audis). And isn't The AMG SLC model from Merc using the same engine as the A45?
But yes, apart from those 2 from its main rivals you're completely right....and probably countless other cars too. Isn't the MX5 engine used in something else, for example? Or the V8 in the DB11 used in the smaller, less expensive V8 Vantage? But yes, you're totally right. No other manufacturer does this
The merc a45 and slc don't share an engine btw. Anyway the point is BMW will sell you a brand new small rwd hatch for £30k give or take that has the same engine they are also using as the top performance model in their brand new sports car for far more. The audi examples are both expensive cars not £20k different. Your comment about no other manufacturer sharing engines like that is very true. Except for Audi with the TT S and the S3 (these aren't M cars, but "M performance cars.....so not rival to RS Audis). And isn't The AMG SLC model from Merc using the same engine as the A45?
But yes, apart from those 2 from its main rivals you're completely right....and probably countless other cars too. Isn't the MX5 engine used in something else, for example? Or the V8 in the DB11 used in the smaller, less expensive V8 Vantage? But yes, you're totally right. No other manufacturer does this
I would expect the latest performance version of the z4 to have an engine better or more exclusive.
mikey P 500 said:
E65Ross said:
Firstly, your initial comment about asking why you'd buy one over an M140i is answered by your 2nd comment about wanting a convertible. What if you want a convertible 6 cylinder car?
Your comment about no other manufacturer sharing engines like that is very true. Except for Audi with the TT S and the S3 (these aren't M cars, but "M performance cars.....so not rival to RS Audis). And isn't The AMG SLC model from Merc using the same engine as the A45?
But yes, apart from those 2 from its main rivals you're completely right....and probably countless other cars too. Isn't the MX5 engine used in something else, for example? Or the V8 in the DB11 used in the smaller, less expensive V8 Vantage? But yes, you're totally right. No other manufacturer does this
The merc a45 and slc don't share an engine btw. Anyway the point is BMW will sell you a brand new small rwd hatch for £30k give or take that has the same engine they are also using as the top performance model in their brand new sports car for far more. The audi examples are both expensive cars not £20k different. Your comment about no other manufacturer sharing engines like that is very true. Except for Audi with the TT S and the S3 (these aren't M cars, but "M performance cars.....so not rival to RS Audis). And isn't The AMG SLC model from Merc using the same engine as the A45?
But yes, apart from those 2 from its main rivals you're completely right....and probably countless other cars too. Isn't the MX5 engine used in something else, for example? Or the V8 in the DB11 used in the smaller, less expensive V8 Vantage? But yes, you're totally right. No other manufacturer does this
I would expect the latest performance version of the z4 to have an engine better or more exclusive.
Also - just out of curiosity, can you explain why you "would expect the latest performance version of the z4 to have an engine better or more exclusive" when the last Z4 had the 35i engine as its top model?
Edited by E65Ross on Wednesday 7th November 21:22
The a45 is a 2.0, 4 cylinder the c43 in a SLC is a 3.0 6 cylinder. Not an expert on BMW history just commenting it seems strange that in same show room will be cars that are priced so far apart sharing the engine, they could have least added a remap for the Z4 to give a little extra power to offset weight of car.
theJT said:
For all its other faults, the outgoing Z4 is _beautiful_ this one... really isn't. I just don't think that's forgivable in this segment, because pure hard driving sports car this is not. The looks matter, and they've gotten them badly wrong.
The E85 is a lovely looking car .. not too sure on the E89 though 
mikey P 500 said:
Why would you buy this when an m140i uses the same engine, but is faster, due to being lighter and importantly is about half the price, would have to really want a convertible as both are equally ugly in my opinion. Don't really understand how BMW expects to sell the higher end cars when it's puts the good/same engine in even the smallest cheapest car, no other manufacture does this.
Why are you with your wife/gf? - I mean they have the same bits as most other females...It's overstyled. Too many gapes and swooshes and the kidney grilles are too big.
Look at the E46 (particularly the coupe) timeless, understated and handsome. None of which can be said for this Z4.
I can only see it appealing to old white haired men wearing baseball caps and beige sports jackets.
Look at the E46 (particularly the coupe) timeless, understated and handsome. None of which can be said for this Z4.
I can only see it appealing to old white haired men wearing baseball caps and beige sports jackets.
theJT said:
For all its other faults, the outgoing Z4 is _beautiful_ this one... really isn't. I just don't think that's forgivable in this segment, because pure hard driving sports car this is not. The looks matter, and they've gotten them badly wrong.
The E85 is a lovely looking car .. not too sure on the E89 though mikey P 500 said:
The a45 is a 2.0, 4 cylinder the c43 in a SLC is a 3.0 6 cylinder. Not an expert on BMW history just commenting it seems strange that in same show room will be cars that are priced so far apart sharing the engine, they could have least added a remap for the Z4 to give a little extra power to offset weight of car.
730d uses the same engine as a 330d and that's more than a £20k difference IIRC.kambites said:
E65Ross said:
730d uses the same engine as a 330d and that's more than a £20k difference IIRC.
Pretty sure you can buy an A8 with the 2.0TSI lump, which is available in the A1 (not to mention the Skoda Octavia, etc). 
E65Ross said:
Quiet you, don't bring your logical arguments against Mikey P 500
Neither of your examples were a top of the range sports car sharing an engine and performance with smallest cheapest hatch back from same company. Obviously lots larger cars share engines with smaller cars, the decision here is how large a car you want. but selling a sports car that has worse performance than the cheaper hatch back seems odd to me, but obviously not the majority so I will stand corrected that it wouldn't bother everyone else. Most clearly only want a sports car for looks not performance.
mikey P 500 said:
E65Ross said:
Quiet you, don't bring your logical arguments against Mikey P 500
Neither of your examples were a top of the range sports car sharing an engine and performance with smallest cheapest hatch back from same company. Obviously lots larger cars share engines with smaller cars, the decision here is how large a car you want. but selling a sports car that has worse performance than the cheaper hatch back seems odd to me, but obviously not the majority so I will stand corrected that it wouldn't bother everyone else. Most clearly only want a sports car for looks not performance.
You're argument is a strange one. OK, I didn't use a top of the range sports car because the Z4 isn't top of the range, which is supposedly the i8. The TT-RS uses the same engine as the RS3 though and actually less powerful than an estate car (RS4 or RS6).
mikey P 500 said:
Most clearly only want a sports car for looks not performance.
Are you saying it's flawed because it uses the same engine as a cheaper car or because it has the same performance because they're totally different arguments?My "sports car" has the same engine as a Rover 25 but it very much doesn't have the same performance.
SpudLink said:
Because it is.
I'm old enough to remember being in a position to buy a new z4 when it first came out , I didn't because I thought comically ugly , I went on to own 3 over the years because it grows on you and it's actually a great little car , on road or a track day . I drive a Merc now but I can't help but think the new z4 will be a great car real world , It'll just take a while for the blinkered masses to come around , the English don't take to new things well .
kambites said:
Are you saying it's flawed because it uses the same engine as a cheaper car or because it has the same performance because they're totally different arguments?
My "sports car" has the same engine as a Rover 25 but it very much doesn't have the same performance.
But in this case the sports car not only has same engine but more weight (thus worse power to weight, and same rwd) I assume maybe this isn't the case for your car? My "sports car" has the same engine as a Rover 25 but it very much doesn't have the same performance.
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