RE: Porsche 911 Carrera (996): Spotted

RE: Porsche 911 Carrera (996): Spotted

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was8v

1,582 posts

134 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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TwinExit said:
First its the styling...

Then it's the unreliability and astronomical cost to keep running...

Now it understeers at the first opportunity.

What's next??
Nobody has yet compared the performance to a 330D (mapped)

richthebike

404 posts

76 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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In my experience, they're a nice size, plenty quick enough, happy to live outside, net-net pretty cheap to run, don't attract too much attention, can be driven hard at the weekend as well as do the commute, and respond very nicely to tweaks.

Some people get the look, others don't. Can be said for most cars.
Lots of reliability tosh.

Anyone thinking that it's an entry level 911 needs to have a long think about that, and why it's a brilliant thing. Unless you've experienced a 911 at full chat, you probably don't understand. Yes, people use them as daily drives, particularly newer ones. Don't, for a second, think that makes them any less special.

PS I love how this has turned into a new "early 996" thread! Hello chaps!

kambites

56,117 posts

160 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Patrick Bateman said:
Is a Boxster nose light? I could drive that like the Clio and the grip was phenomenal even on 205 section 17's.
Not particularly. Boxsters are about 50:50 aren't they? The Boxster is certainly a pretty easy car to jump into and drive fast; the 911 is not (although it is increasingly becoming so).

Edited by kambites on Thursday 8th November 19:32

Patrick Bateman

10,661 posts

113 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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kambites said:
Not particularly. Boxsters are about 50:50 aren't they?
Felt as much, just wasn't sure with being mid-engined.

cmoose

43,896 posts

168 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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kambites said:
Not particularly. Boxsters are about 50:50 aren't they?
It's not quite officially 50:50, think it's 47:53 and when actually weighed in the real world usually comes out around 45:55. But even then the numbers I find really don't tell you much.

On paper, there's very little difference in weight distribution between, say, an E36 BMW and a 986 Boxster. In practice, very, very difference balance and driving style!
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kambites

56,117 posts

160 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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Well weight distribution obviously isn't the only thing which has a bearing on a car's balance, but a 40:60 911 is never going to feel like a 60:40 hot hatch.

identti

2,344 posts

164 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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I bought one in February this year for a lot less than the one in this article - a 1999 Carrera with 93,000 miles. It had a great spec and good history but an interesting interior colour (Nephrite), hence the price.

I then drove it 2000 miles round Europe this past summer, doing a lap of the Nurburgring, pretty much maxing it out on the Autobahn and lots of mountain passes including the Stelvio (see below).

I have had to replace a couple of bits: two front toe arms and one front radiator, but on the whole it's been nothing unexpected for a 20-year old car.

There do seem to be some bad examples, and some unlucky ones (fingers crossed it's not me), but a well-cared for one (mine's had £30k of work over the last 20 years) is far better than you'd ever expect. Mine feels fitter and better put together than a lot of MUCH newer cars I've owned.



It sounds quite good too: https://youtu.be/ROqx6tR_k5w

BFleming

900 posts

82 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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The most hated (i.e. cheapest) 996's are auto's and cabrio's. Avoid those two, and you're on the right track.

Raygun

2,456 posts

59 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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BFleming said:
The most hated (i.e. cheapest) 996's are auto's and cabrio's. Avoid those two, and you're on the right track.
Like this thing, the 996 didn't help the 911's prestige much..
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

was8v

1,582 posts

134 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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BFleming said:
The most hated (i.e. cheapest) 996's are auto's and cabrio's. Avoid those two, and you're on the right track.
Or, seek them out and get even more of a bargain and a car that might better fit your usage?

In theory a tip cabrio would be less likely to have been ragged

Edited by was8v on Friday 9th November 10:20

STiG911

959 posts

106 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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was8v said:
In theory a tip cabrio would be less likely to have been ragged

Edited by was8v on Friday 9th November 10:20
That's actually part of the problem - A lot of Tips are used to just slush about, and often for very short journeys, which means the engine isn't getting worked properly. And it's not a case of 'ragged or not ragged' either; peak power is just north of 6000rpm, so bumbling around using 3000rpn or less all the time is going to cause more harm than good, IMO.

Thornaby

262 posts

8 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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Nephrite interior. Wow!

u04pww2

59 posts

36 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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cmoose said:
havoc said:
  • Part of the S2000's bad rep was due to hot-hatch boys going to it from EP3 Civics and trying to drive it the same way...and that was an FR car.
Aye. In my experience, whether it's an S2000 or a 993 GT2, there are few if any cars that really deserve their widow-maker reputations.
The first batch of s2000's were widowmakers, honda changed the suspension settings in 2002 onwards so the majority of the ones on the road these days will be fine.

havoc

24,273 posts

174 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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u04pww2 said:
cmoose said:
havoc said:
  • Part of the S2000's bad rep was due to hot-hatch boys going to it from EP3 Civics and trying to drive it the same way...and that was an FR car.
Aye. In my experience, whether it's an S2000 or a 993 GT2, there are few if any cars that really deserve their widow-maker reputations.
The first batch of s2000's were widowmakers, honda changed the suspension settings in 2002 onwards so the majority of the ones on the road these days will be fine.
In reality it wasn't that much to do with the geometry (same-era TVRs were more tail-happy, as was the Z3M), it was down to:-
- Original-spec (bespoke) Bridgestone S02 tyres was more of a semi-trackday tyre, but not marketed as such - it had poor water-dispersal performance so aquaplaned easier than most 'summer tyres' of the time
- It was bought by people expecting either CTR- (or any hot-hatch)-like chuckability, or expecting MX5-like docility.


Honda designed the S2000 to be pin-sharp, and dialled-out more of the understeer safety-net than anyone expected, BUT fundamentally a 1999 S2000 on original geometry was not a widowmaker if you treated it as it was - a powerful rwd car with no traction or stability control.

The geometry changes were introduced to take away the throttle-steerability of the car, which was deemed to be the easiest solution to lack of talent amongst owners. First thing I did when I got my 2003 was increase the chassis bracing and take it to CentreGravity for revised geometry (closer to 1999 spec but with less camber all round). And in 3 years / 16k miles I never span mine and only had one tank-slapper in the wet. Not because I'm a goatee-wearing PH-director type, but because I treated the throttle pedal as an analogue device not a digital on/off switch.

ooid

1,329 posts

39 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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I know the lovely owners of these cars would bite my head off now, but I think 996 is like Lindsay Lohan.

Still carrying celebrity status, but you'll always be nervous about her next expensive breakdown. Oh, and they can usually be seen at ALDI carparks hehe

cmoose

43,896 posts

168 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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ooid said:
Oh, and they can usually be seen at ALDI carparks hehe
There's only one way you'd know that...!

ooid

1,329 posts

39 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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cmoose said:
There's only one way you'd know that...!
touche!!!! laugh

Fast Bug

6,635 posts

100 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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ooid said:
Oh, and they can usually be seen at ALDI carparks hehe
How dare you!

Mine went to Lidl to pick up some German cooked meat before, but never ALDI...

raceboy

11,872 posts

219 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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Very nearly bought one about 5 years ago, full 'council' spec, a tip with full aero kit. paperbag
At the time the better half had a 986 Boxster and it really wasn't different enough, or exciting enough to trade the TVR at the time, at basement money they have got a monumental bork factor but that's half the fun, the Boxster ended up as an uneconomical mechanical writeoff headache
Still tempted from time to time with a 997 though scratchchin

Export56

13 posts

27 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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ooid said:
I know the lovely owners of these cars would bite my head off now, but I think 996 is like Lindsay Lohan.

Still carrying celebrity status, but you'll always be nervous about her next expensive breakdown. Oh, and they can usually be seen at ALDI carparks hehe
I have a 996 and yes I shop at aldi each week, so you are right. Although I only take it when its not raining.
Mine is a 98 model and sails through MOT's and everything works perfectly on it. I only do about two k a year in it due to other things to do. This year I haven't spent a penny on it yet, not sure even if it needs on oil change as 2k on mobil 1 seems a waste.