RE: Porsche 911 Carrera (996): Spotted

RE: Porsche 911 Carrera (996): Spotted

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Thornaby

216 posts

7 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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RTZ - read my full post and not just the bit copied for comments. It starts with Porsches reliability problems. And i'm sorry if i've offended TVR, i could have said Lotus, Ferrari, Lancia etc etc.

edh

2,580 posts

207 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Only 166 pages to get through on this thread on early 996 3.4's - everything you'll ever need to know smile

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

maxwellwd

118 posts

24 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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edh said:
Only 166 pages to get through on this thread on early 996 3.4's - everything you'll ever need to know smile

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
That thread contributed hugely in me buying one in the first place!

ScienceTeacher

329 posts

123 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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This looks like a lovely car. I’ve owned two 3.4 versions, the second a convertible very like this car. Both on Hartech scheme. Silver, metropole and amber looks brilliant. I have a 996T currently but find it dreadfully expensive and less feelsome than the Carrera. I saw this one and thought honestly about buying it.
HAS IT HAD THE BORES REPLACED?? This is key. Not clear what the Hartech work was exactly.

RWDKurt

151 posts

184 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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I'm the owner and vendor of the vehicle. Thanks for the (largely) kind words about the car - it is a great thing - and has been a labour of love over the last 5 years. It's by far the longest I've kept a road car; I've had a few road cars, including some of the alternatives listed in this thread. I am ambivalent about car marques so buy largely on ability, and the 996 does not disappoint. EVO car of the year 1998 was well deserved.

As had already been said, every car marque has its weaknesses. Some are of course weaker than others! I hope I have dealt with the key issues on this car though.

Someone mentioned clutch and flywheel? They were replaced in OE units 2013, along with the RMS, which was replaced again by Hartech in 2014

For those that don't like the seats - they can of course be replaced, as can the ambers. But they are original. So if you buy it and do decide to change, it's probably worth hanging on to them.

I have every MOT so can confirm the mileage is genuine.
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marky911

3,650 posts

157 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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John.Taylor said:
I don't get the appeal of old 911's.

I couldn't get excited opening up my garage door of a weekend to look at this, nor could I at the thought of driving it - you'd get much the same from a £5k Boxster. People must just be buying these as an investment but where's the fun in that.

If I had £13k to throw at a second car my money would go on a TVR (garage appeal), Elise (driving appeal) or an E46 M3 (garage & driving appeal).
It's just a case that you don't get 911s and that's fine, buy one of the others. thumbup

If you do (like me) get them, there's nothing else that offers what they do.

Buy as an investment?? laugh
The running costs to maintain one properly soon wipe any hopes of that out, should anyone be naive enough.


TVR? Whole other level of niggles and trouble. My mate bought a Cerb 4.2, his life long dream car. Load o shoite.
I was always into 911s. He now is with a 996 3.4 C2, same as me.

Lotus - You have to be hardcore to head to the south of France in an Elise.

M3 - I've had them and they're ace but feel very normal compared to a 911 and the steering feel is about half as good.

Looks wise again it's upto you.
This does me just fine.







As for the car mentioned. It's had all the normal things that these will need one day.
Buy one without the work and you'll be the one doing it.

Ignore the mileage on the dash. The hartech rebuild and suspension refresh pretty much negates it. Cosmetics are easily sorted over time.

That's a great buy!


One last thing and someone may have already linked it.
For those who know who jethro B is, here's his take on 996 Carreras.

https://youtu.be/w6jCiB9dt0A


There's a fair bit can go wrong with old 911s, any model, but when they're working and handling like they should (e.g. Refreshed) there's nothing else offers that experience and 996s are every bit a proper 911.


Edited by marky911 on Wednesday 7th November 16:03

Fast Bug

6,552 posts

99 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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maxwellwd said:
That thread contributed hugely in me buying one in the first place!
Pop Pop Bang Bangs thread made me buy one

MarkH1987

18 posts

3 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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I've always loved the shape of these personally and this one sounds like it's had most the major things done (engine rebuild, new suspension, etc.), if I had the money I'd be tempted.

maxwellwd

118 posts

24 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Fast Bug said:
maxwellwd said:
That thread contributed hugely in me buying one in the first place!
Pop Pop Bang Bangs thread made me buy one
That too as well to be fair, one of the best threads going on here

was8v

1,548 posts

133 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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ScienceTeacher said:
HAS IT HAD THE BORES REPLACED?? This is key. Not clear what the Hartech work was exactly.
No need my friend.

This is a 3.4 - with ferrous coated pistons. This coating does not break up unlike the plastic coating of 3.6 pistons - which is what prematurely scores the bores on those.

Of course the bores in the 3.4 will wear like any engine eventually, but not likely at that mileage.

marky911 said:
Buy as an investment?? laugh
Just adding a couple more laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh to this idea of a 996 being an investment.

The Crack Fox

13,250 posts

130 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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I often look at these. My Porsche Indy detests them, always something going wrong, not the car for you, he tells me. Yes, this has had £15k spent on it, but as mentioned elsewhere, that only gives me the feeling that it was a poorly built car in the first place and will need endless love to keep it going. £15k just to keep it running. I would hate spending that much on a car like this.

Ask yourself, honestly, if it didn't have that badge on it, would you spend £15k on a 20 year old coupe of questionable looks with a poor record for reliability?

Each to to their own, and all that. I know lots of folks love them.


TwinExit

394 posts

30 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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The Crack Fox said:
Ask yourself, honestly, if it didn't have that badge on it, would you spend £15k on a 20 year old coupe of questionable looks with a poor record for reliability?
£15k would be something of a worst case scenario, which would apply to virtually any 20 year old performance car.

Then again, some people rather lose 30k-40k in depreciation for the sake of a badge and the latest number plate.




Edited by TwinExit on Wednesday 7th November 16:36

marky911

3,650 posts

157 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Crack fox - Check the receipts with any old 911, even more so the much revered air-cooled cars. Massive bills a plenty.
Par for the course with any 20+ year old sports car.

Not cheap, but what hobby is.

PistonBroker

1,600 posts

164 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Well, I'm that 40yo who has wanted a 911 since he was knee-high to a grasshopper and still hasn't managed it.

I'll probably end up in a Boxster first but I'll have to scratch that 911 itch at some point.

Time was I could ignore the 'ugly' 996 as 964s were still cheap. But that time has long gone. So I've resigned myself to the fact that my first 911 will probably be a 996.

This looks great to me for the money. A Hartech rebuild offers peace of mind and the interior's the only bit that disappoints me aesthetically. That's easily sorted.

Still not in a position to get into it, mind.


was8v

1,548 posts

133 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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The Crack Fox said:
Ask yourself, honestly, if it didn't have that badge on it, would you spend £15k on a 20 year old coupe of questionable looks with a poor record for reliability?
Is the reliability really any worse than any other car of this generation?

Or because it's a Porsche do people expect it to be more reliable then get disappointed?

Show me another car with the same combination of handling, frankly amazing engine, looks and even comfort and usability and I will show you £15k

I only bought mine because it seemed cheap for a car that topped every group test when it was released, I thought id better see what all the fuss is about while they are affordable.

Until you have got to know a 996 it's sometimes difficult to appreciate it. It was hard for me to gel at first coming from a 350z but it soon started to make sense, especially once I'd replaced all the worn bits.

mikey P 500

1,002 posts

125 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Also a 996 (3.4 c2) owner, I bought mine earlier this year and viewed and researched quite a bit and manuel 3.4 cars with this level of work done are getting rare at this price point, subject to viewing it I would say this looks quite a good find, certainly one I would have viewed when looking.

cmoose

43,569 posts

167 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Ahonen said:
2 GKC said:
I think these are starting to age well, particularly the facelift version. I'd buy a good one of these over a 997 at the moment.

The leather on this looks like it's done a lot more than 122k though; and that ruffled loose fitting stuff is nasty
The seats do look very tired - mine's on 113k and the seats still look pretty mint. Perhaps one of the previous owners was a bit on the portly side.
The 'ruffled' leather option this car has ages particularly badly. Replacement seats with the 'normal' flat leather are pretty plentiful / easy to source.

cmoose

43,569 posts

167 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Paddy78 said:
I'm glad these aren't as revered as 993's as I probably would never have been able to afford one, let alone drive it every day. A massive thank you to all the 996 haters out there!
Yup. Same with the 986 Box. Values going up is only bad for people who want to drive them. Just means parts become more expensive and one begins to become reluctant to drive if for fear of compromising the value.

cmoose

43,569 posts

167 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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was8v said:
The 3.6 had engine reliability problems (reduced spec IMS bearing, and inferior piston coating leading to bore score).

The 3.4 this one included was never affected by these issues but got tainted by the same brush. Many 3.4s have gone onto 200k and even 300k miles without engine work.
3.4 from 2000-on has the same bearing spec as the 3.6 and also plastic piston coatings!

maxwellwd

118 posts

24 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Its also worth noting what with a lot of people bashing the reliability aspect of the 3.4 996 - the 997 was a much more unreliable engine especially in 3.8 guise and the IMS whereby you have a right job to get to as they changed it later on

Enginewise these are the sweetspot right up until the 997.2. As mentioned before not all of these cars require rebuilds of the highest order at Hartech