RE: Tesla Model 3 gets new Track Mode

[RobDickinson]

Tesla is now worth more than BMW too lol.

[RobDickinson]

And if you think making powerful electric motors is the hard part you've a lot left to learn about ev's.

[anonymous-user]

RobDickinson said:

Tesla is now worth more than BMW too lol.

They've only made 360.000 cars.



Now, let's talk about a decent car manufacturer. Seventh consecutive year of record sales. Global sales total 2,463,526: up 4.1% in 2017.

So, this manufacturer you mock made more than 2 million cars over what your beloved Tesla have ever produced. BMW have a motorsports division, F1, etc.

As for your statement, full of holes and factually incorrect.

BMW
Production output
Increase 2,691,423 vehicles (2017)
Revenue Increase €98.678 billion (2017)[1]
Operating income
Increase €10.655 billion (2017)[1]
Net income
Increase €8.706 billion (2017)[1]
Total assets Increase €193.483 billion (2017)[1]

Tesla
Production output
Increase 101,312 vehicles (2017)
Revenue Increase US$11.759 billion (2017)
Operating income
Decrease US$-1.632 billion (2017)
Net income
Decrease US$−1.961 billion (2017)
Total assets Increase US$28.655 billion (2017)
Total equity Decrease US$4.237 billion (2017)

Explain how Tesla inc are worth more exactly? Note the deficit that Tesla operate in. They're soon to be gone as a manufacturer.

[RobDickinson]

The California-based electric automaker’s market cap is now worth over $59 billion while BMW’s slipped below 49 billion euros ($55 billion) yesterday after it announced lower than anticipated profit for the last quarter.

https://electrek.co/2018/11/08/tesla-tsla-surpasse...

[anonymous-user]

RobDickinson said:

The California-based electric automaker’s market cap is now worth over $59 billion while BMW’s slipped below 49 billion euros ($55 billion) yesterday after it announced lower than anticipated profit for the last quarter.

https://electrek.co/2018/11/08/tesla-tsla-surpasse...

Are you really arguing that this low volume EV manufacturer is worth more than the BMW group. Surprised you've not bought one yourself, but as you haven't driven anything at all of note, perhaps arguing pointless bks on the internet is your m.o?

[RobDickinson]

There's currently 4 billion reasons why Tesla is worth more...

BMW =Nokia.

[anonymous-user]

RobDickinson said:

There's currently 4 billion reasons why Tesla is worth more...

BMW =Nokia.

Let me know when Tesla win anything on the track, or create anything evocative.

Tesla are a short term white goods manufacturer. It's cool though, the clever guys will soon be working for the mainstream.

Anyway, why haven't you bought one?

[2ndclasscitizen]

yonex said:

RobDickinson said:

Ah the long rumored not yet seen #teslakiller

Do you think Tesla are the pinnacle? I don't, sorry.

Are you not aware of the mule EV X3, or that BMW have trademarked i3,4,5 and 7, not to mention the carbon innovation and 12 all EV cars and I3 hybrids by 2025. BMW, being a proper company, not some fly by night plaything have stated that it's not 'viable' to make money from EV at the moment. Tesla don't care, because they are not a proper car company, their losses don't matter to them.

The iX3 just really underscores why these rumoured #teslakillers are just that, rumours. For all the song and dance about the EQC and eTron MB and Audi have only just managed to put battery packs in their existing mid-size SUVs, BMW made a good start with the dedicated i3 and i8 but are now just following the others and doing the same to the X3. The Taycan seems very exciting on paper but it's cut from the same cloth - except Porsche are using the Panamera rather than the Macan. They can all put out as many press releases about their investments as they like but at the end of the day it's hard to believe they're going to do anything other than continuing to just putting batteries in their existing ICE vehicles. JLR have made a good first effort with the iPace, but they've clear got a lot of catching up to do on engineering an EV: https://insideevs.com/efficiency-jaguar-i-pace-fal...https://jalopnik.com/1826920962https://jalopnik.com/jaguar-finally-confirms-the-2...

For all their faults as a company Tesla seem to be one of the only companies that is actually interested in making dedicated EVs and seem to be steps ahead of the others in the drivetrain tech. And let's be honest here, their major problem at the moment (apart from having a certifiable lunatic at the helm) is that demand is outstripping supply. There's worse issues that have than that.

[borat52]

RobDickinson said:

Ah the long rumored not yet seen #teslakiller

You’ll see it pretty soon should Tesla remain profitable. My opinion is that it’s comical to think a low volume car maker can compete with the economies of scale of the big players, they have the supply chain absolutely nailed in terms of efficiency.

I’m far from convinced we’ll see consecutive quarters of profit from Tesla at this stage, in which case you may be waiting a while for a “Tesla killer”. If it’s not profitable no one sane will get into the market.

[camel_landy]

yonex said:

Now, let's talk about a decent car manufacturer. Seventh consecutive year of record sales. Global sales total 2,463,526: up 4.1% in 2017.

So, this manufacturer you mock made more than 2 million cars over what your beloved Tesla have ever produced. BMW have a motorsports division, F1, etc.

Just coz BMW sell more cars, doesn't make them a 'decent car manufacturer'... BMW sell lots of cars coz of the brand & image.

Most people who drive a BMW (that's 'most', not 'all'...), wouldn't know a decent car if it smacked them in the face. BMW produce a couple of absolute 'gems' but on the whole, I find them reliable and boring.

M

[camel_landy]

yonex said:

You think Tesla are the only ones who can code, really? Have you seen their motorsport division

After my experience in the industry... Yes.

(It's not just one bit of code but the whole end-end package/solution)

M

[anonymous-user]

2ndclasscitizen said:

For all their faults as a company Tesla seem to be one of the only companies that is actually interested in making dedicated EVs and seem to be steps ahead of the others in the drivetrain tech. And let's be honest here, their major problem at the moment (apart from having a certifiable lunatic at the helm) is that demand is outstripping supply. There's worse issues that have than that.

BMW have stated that right now EV isn't really profitable. This is a manufacturer that makes 2.6 million cars a year, not the 100K or so that Tesla manage. It is obvious that once the technology shifts and the demand is there, let's not get confused about 'Tesla demand', it's a pimple really when considering 2+ million vehicles, all of the serious brands will turn up. The i3 is a better and more innovative car than any Tesla, the carbon tub is a masterpiece. Tesla have a unique business plan, I worry really for long term owners.

IMO Tesla haven't got a USP. Software, it's just engineering, batteries, there's nothing out there that one manufacturer doesn't know from the the other, Tesla are selling at a loss, BMW will not. As for dynamics, warranty and longevity, well, that's obvious.

Tesla have zero history, no motorsport activity and make bland EV's for the masses.

[RobDickinson]

They'll make minimum 250k this year, 400k next year and probably 800k the year after (2020), when VW plan to possibly make 100k ev's.

Mercedes and BMW are getting their arse kicked by Tesla in the USA

[camel_landy]

yonex said:

BMW have stated that right now EV isn't really profitable. This is a manufacturer that makes 2.6 million cars a year, not the 100K or so that Tesla manage. It is obvious that once the technology shifts and the demand is there, let's not get confused about 'Tesla demand', it's a pimple really when considering 2+ million vehicles, all of the serious brands will turn up. The i3 is a better and more innovative car than any Tesla, the carbon tub is a masterpiece. Tesla have a unique business plan, I worry really for long term owners.

IMO Tesla haven't got a USP. Software, it's just engineering, batteries, there's nothing out there that one manufacturer doesn't know from the the other, Tesla are selling at a loss, BMW will not. As for dynamics, warranty and longevity, well, that's obvious.

Tesla have zero history, no motorsport activity and make bland EV's for the masses.

Yep... Can't argue with what you say there, though whilst the i3 might be more innovative, I personally would prefer an all electric Tesla. Now, if the i3 was all electric, with the range of the Tesla, then that's a different matter...

As for bland EV's for the masses... Nowt wrong with that.

M

[RobDickinson]

Pistonheads on every other ev:
"it looks like a freak why can't they make it look like a ordinary car?"

Pistonheads on Tesla :
"it looks boring why can't they make it look crazy?"

As for the i3, in the right color combo it looks OK now I'm used to it, its still far too expensive compared to model 3. Interesting production but BMW are not going to do similar for anything else.

[anonymous-user]

RobDickinson said:

They'll make minimum 250k this year, 400k next year and probably 800k the year after (2020), when VW plan to possibly make 100k ev's.

Mercedes and BMW are getting their arse kicked by Tesla in the USA

Do you not read anything? BMW made 2.6 million vehicles. I can order an i3 tomorrow and know when it will arrive. When the i4 comes out Tesla is in trouble, that's without Porsche who have invested huge amounts in battery tech. But I am sure that Tesla, with their massive F1/GT/LMP program will be ok

You're deluded. And why haven't you bought one?

[RobDickinson]

I4 is at least 3 years away lol

[anonymous-user]

RobDickinson said:

I4 is at least 3 years away lol

Why don't you own a Tesla? Is it due to cost or are you like any other sane person and will wait until BMW produce a decent EV?

[RobDickinson]

yonex said:

Why don't you own a Tesla? Is it due to cost or are you like any other sane person and will wait until BMW produce a decent EV?

I dont own a tesla because the cheapest one here is like $170k up. and both are too big for what I need

The model 3 will be here towards end of next year, the model Y is revealed in march so I'll probably put a deposit down on that tbh

I'm just after a mid sized 4wd suv with 400+km range for ~$100k or less.

The iPace should have been $125k here but they launch it at $160k up and it cant even manage 400k on a good day.

[DonkeyApple]

And yet you claim elsewhere that your diesel consumption has gone from 2500L/annum to 200 with your hybrid. What’s environmental about dumping that, spending 100k on a brand new car just to avoid that last 200 litres? And why do you need to be carrying around 400 Miles worth of batteries when you are getting by perfectly well on what, 50 miles of batteries in your hybrid? There’s too much mental and not environment ugh environmental going on in your man maths.