RE: Tesla Model 3 gets new Track Mode
Discussion
ash73 said:
It's using the brakes to simulate a LSD, not a good recipe for longevity. And the regen is when you lift, not brake, just imagine how crap it will feel balancing the two on the limit.
This car is about as useful on track as a chocolate teapot.
It beat a Cayman GT4... And 458 italia... This car is about as useful on track as a chocolate teapot.
ash73 said:
98elise said:
The model 3 weighs about the same as a BMW 3 series, the brakes are mostly regen so will last way longer than any equivalent ICE. The battery will last much longer than 6 laps.
But you knew that didn't you
It's using the brakes to simulate a LSD, not a good recipe for longevity. And the regen is when you lift, not brake, just imagine how crap it will feel balancing the two on the limit. But you knew that didn't you
This car is about as useful on track as a chocolate teapot.
You could only use the negative torque to regen if you had a motor on each wheel, but as it's only one per axle you'll need to use the brakes to stop the inside wheel spinning.
Fundamentally, you can't do 8 hours of track day and drive home, but then 95% of all other cars will melt brakes, boil brake fluid, overheat tyres, overheat oil and generally fall apart after 30 mins of solid bashing. Only something made to be a track weapon will last repeated long sessions. So I just see it as "another saloon" in that respect.
RobDickinson said:
It beat a Cayman GT4... And 458 italia...
Matched a 2016 Porsche and beat a 2011 Ferrari, around a track nobody cares about. It probably wouldn’t even make a lap at the ring 
It’s just the usual BS Tesla hype. Do the brake pads and tyres comevas part on the download, very clever these American chaps.
As has been said, about as interesting as an electric commuter car taken to a track day. A car which you can’t buy, and is made of cheese, and soon to be very outclassed by some Germans.
Shed of the week 2020?
yonex said:
... and soon to be very outclassed by some Germans.
Some Koreans perhaps; I can't see the Germans catching up by 2020. Probably not even by 2025. They're still putting too much effort into internal combustion engines and platforms to support them. Edited by kambites on Saturday 10th November 18:53
kambites said:
Some Koreans perhaps; I can't see the Germans catching up by 2020. Probably not even by 2025. They're still putting too much effort into internal combustion engines and platforms to support them.
The latest news from BMW is that the i4 is 2021, which about the time some of the Tesla’s will have delivered. Everyone knows it’ll drive better, be better built and have a proper car manufacturer behind it. Tesla will just become a battery supplier IMO. Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 10th November 18:53
yonex said:
Everyone knows it’ll drive better, be better built and have a proper car manufacturer behind it.
I'll give you the last of those, but the other two are very much just your guess. I dare say the BMW will have a cuddlier dashboard and probably better panel gaps but I'm not convinced they'll even match Tesla in terms of actual build/engineering quality let alone beat it. Handling, who knows but it's pretty irrelevant in this market. I also rather suspect the i4 will, in equivalent spec, be about £10k more expensive than the Model-3.
kambites said:
I'll give you the last of those, but the other two are very much just your guess. I dare say the BMW will have a cuddlier dashboard and probably better panel gaps but I'm not convinced they'll even match Tesla in terms of actual build/engineering quality let alone beat it. Handling, who knows but it's pretty irrelevant in this market.
I also rather suspect the i4 will, in equivalent spec, be about £10k more expensive than the Model-3.
The YouTube clip I saw when they took one apart was very interesting. The said the power pack was ingenious and the management beyond what they had seen. In contrast they said the body and running gear was poor, badly engineered and nothing like of the quality of a mass production vehicle. Talking about any current road EV as a track car is just folly. I’d take a standard Cayman over one. Let alone a GT4. I also rather suspect the i4 will, in equivalent spec, be about £10k more expensive than the Model-3.
Cold said:
Which makes it worthwhile questioning the subject of this article.
Very much so but I don't see why the Tesla and the Model-3 is getting so much flack when it's conventionally engined rivals' manufactures spout this sort of rubbish all the time about cars which, in the hands of 99% of buyers, will never see a track.The curious thing is, it does matter in a way because while 99% of buyers of Model-3s, 3-series, etc. will never take their cars on track, they still seem to want to know that their car would perform well if they were to do something with it that they will never do.
gigglebug said:
I would have thought having access to free performance upgrades should be the stuff of legend's on here of all places.
Too right. I'm glad that if we have to ultimately end up in an all-EV world that a manufacturer like Tesla has its eye on providing fun for former petrolheads.yonex said:
Talking about any current road EV as a track car is just folly. I’d take a standard Cayman over one. Let alone a GT4.
I wouldn't pick a Model-3 or a Cayman as a track car so the performance of each on track is equally irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. I don't, however, get offended when Porsche start using the Cayman's ability on track for advertising.
I don't actually particularly like the Model-3 or Tesla as a company (also I do have a certain amount of abstract admiration for them). I'm just bemused by the fact that they seem to get slated on here for doing much the same things that their competition get lauded for.
Edited by kambites on Saturday 10th November 19:31
yonex said:
The YouTube clip I saw when they took one apart was very interesting. The said the power pack was ingenious and the management beyond what they had seen. In contrast they said the body and running gear was poor, badly engineered and nothing like of the quality of a mass production vehicle. Talking about any current road EV as a track car is just folly. I’d take a standard Cayman over one. Let alone a GT4.
You are taking about the Munro strip down. They have totally back tracked on that. He's now blown away by the 3 especially a later production one.The chassis is heavier and more complicated than the competition but then it's far exceeded them in safety scoring the safest car tested in the USA.
yonex said:
RobDickinson said:
It beat a Cayman GT4... And 458 italia...
Matched a 2016 Porsche and beat a 2011 Ferrari, around a track nobody cares about. It probably wouldn’t even make a lap at the ring It’s just the usual BS Tesla hype. Do the brake pads and tyres comevas part on the download, very clever these American chaps.
As has been said, about as interesting as an electric commuter car taken to a track day. A car which you can’t buy, and is made of cheese, and soon to be very outclassed by some Germans.
Shed of the week 2020?
I don't think anyone believes Tesla are turning out track cars. It's a feature that generates lots of column inches for very little money.
When will all these amazing German electric cars appear? So far they seem to be little more than hot air. Model 3's are actually being built and sold...even though that fact seem to have passed you by
98elise said:
It's not BS, it's PR.
I don't think anyone believes Tesla are turning out track cars. It's a feature that generates lots of column inches for very little money.
When will all these amazing German electric cars appear? So far they seem to be little more than hot air. Model 3's are actually being built and sold...even though that fact seem to have passed you by
2021, it’s out there if you look?I don't think anyone believes Tesla are turning out track cars. It's a feature that generates lots of column inches for very little money.
When will all these amazing German electric cars appear? So far they seem to be little more than hot air. Model 3's are actually being built and sold...even though that fact seem to have passed you by
And though you scoff you are clearly ignorant of what BMW have acheived with carbon fibre in their ‘i’ cars? Unlike Tesla who just sling any old rubbish together and if too many complain they can just tell them to sod off, BMW are a proper volume manufacturer. Model 3’s may be being built but they’re not available now are they?
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 10th November 19:48
RobDickinson said:
You are taking about the Munro strip down. They have totally back tracked on that. He's now blown away by the 3 especially a later production one.
The chassis is heavier and more complicated than the competition but then it's far exceeded them in safety scoring the safest car tested in the USA.
Well it would be with a few tonnes of batteries in the middle The chassis is heavier and more complicated than the competition but then it's far exceeded them in safety scoring the safest car tested in the USA.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 10th November 19:57
kambites said:
I wouldn't pick a Model-3 or a Cayman as a track car so the performance of each on track is equally irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.
I don't, however, get offended when Porsche start using the Cayman's ability on track for advertising.
I don't actually particularly like the Model-3 or Tesla as a company (also I do have a certain amount of abstract admiration for them). I'm just bemused by the fact that they seem to get slated on here for doing much the same things that their competition get lauded for.
For me, it’s because I see it as a nonsense. A one lap time in a place nobody cares about by a driver, well, I’ll leave it there. It’s like when Top Gear peddled a Range Rover around Donington, it’s just embarrassing. I don't, however, get offended when Porsche start using the Cayman's ability on track for advertising.
I don't actually particularly like the Model-3 or Tesla as a company (also I do have a certain amount of abstract admiration for them). I'm just bemused by the fact that they seem to get slated on here for doing much the same things that their competition get lauded for.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 10th November 19:31
Focus on the Tesla doing its daily white goods job and refine that. Don’t waste time and money on ridiculous notions like ‘ultra-Uber-wowser upgrade 1.7’, it’s all very....American.
manracer said:
Some interesting views from people at both ends of the ev-o-meter including some very salty individuals!
Can't wait to get mine next year. The fuel savings will be immense. The range is more enough for me. The silence is fine for me, I prefer music anyway.
You realise you could have been doing the same in an i3 for a number of years already? I have been living the electric dream, with 120 miles range and doing 95% of all my journeys for the past two years, fuel savings and all! Add a Harmon Kardon stereo upgrade and all is good.Can't wait to get mine next year. The fuel savings will be immense. The range is more enough for me. The silence is fine for me, I prefer music anyway.
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