RE: Tesla Model 3 gets new Track Mode

RE: Tesla Model 3 gets new Track Mode

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anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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RobDickinson said:
See how good Tesla is? They can include a few tons of batteries and still make the entire car weigh only 1800kg! Genius.
They’re great at batteries, awful at cars though smile

Baldchap

7,700 posts

93 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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ash73 said:
Baldchap said:
ash73 said:
And the regen is when you lift, not brake.
Just think about that for a moment... Why would a manufacturer turn off a large chunk of negative torque when the brakes are applied?
My comment was regards the control input not the mechanism, I would have thought that was obvious.
Those of us with experience of the vehicles we're discussing know that regen is optional and utterly predictable under use, reducing in impact as speed increases. Admit it, you have never driven a Tesla.

manracer

1,544 posts

98 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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RemarkLima said:
manracer said:
Some interesting views from people at both ends of the ev-o-meter including some very salty individuals!

Can't wait to get mine next year. The fuel savings will be immense. The range is more enough for me. The silence is fine for me, I prefer music anyway.
You realise you could have been doing the same in an i3 for a number of years already? I have been living the electric dream, with 120 miles range and doing 95% of all my journeys for the past two years, fuel savings and all! Add a Harmon Kardon stereo upgrade and all is good.
Agreed, I just really don't like the look of the i3.

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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manracer said:
Agreed, I just really don't like the look of the i3.
I think the i3 is a quantum leap ahead of any Tesla. The carbon tub is really, really trick.

manracer

1,544 posts

98 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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yonex said:
manracer said:
Agreed, I just really don't like the look of the i3.
I think the i3 is a quantum leap ahead of any Tesla. The carbon tub is really, really trick.
Yes, but I want an EV that looks like a car, not, IMO, like a aixim (with even Skinner tyres) that makes me feel sick when driving it (I had a 48hr test drive with the intention of leasing one), carbon tub or not.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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The tech in the i3 body is cool but it's priced the same as the model 3 in USA you'd have to be nuts to buy one in comparison.


anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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manracer said:
Yes, but I want an EV that looks like a car, not, IMO, like a aixim (with even Skinner tyres) that makes me feel sick when driving it (I had a 48hr test drive with the intention of leasing one), carbon tub or not.
It made me sick as well. Even in eco-pro 'non-vom' mode. EV's not for me.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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yonex said:
It made me sick as well. Even in eco-pro 'non-vom' mode. EV's not for me.
You know I think we've got that.

The car that made me feel most spewtastic was a corolla, ice cars, not for me.

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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RobDickinson said:
You know I think we've got that.

The car that made me feel most spewtastic was a corolla, ice cars, not for me.
Try driving some decent cars, you might view EV in a different light. Toyota, yes you would choose to mock one of the most reliable and successful car companies in the world, citing a car which has sold more than 40 million units, for info Tesla are at the 80 thousand mark. biggrin

RemarkLima

2,379 posts

213 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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manracer said:
yonex said:
manracer said:
Agreed, I just really don't like the look of the i3.
I think the i3 is a quantum leap ahead of any Tesla. The carbon tub is really, really trick.
Yes, but I want an EV that looks like a car, not, IMO, like a aixim (with even Skinner tyres) that makes me feel sick when driving it (I had a 48hr test drive with the intention of leasing one), carbon tub or not.
The 94ah has better suspension tuning and a bit better ride, so slightly better NVH.

Out of curiosity, was it the ride that made you feel sick? As my i3 rides better than my 3 series... Or was it a rocking forward and back motion? If the latter, then I'd suggest you need more than 2 days to adjust to the driving with one pedal, otherwise it's a bit of a jerk-a-ton when starting off. After a week or so, it's smooth as can be.

I'm not sure why a Model 3 would be any different in this regard? If you've not had one of a 48h test drive, you may end up with the same feeling??

yonex said:
RobDickinson said:
You know I think we've got that.

The car that made me feel most spewtastic was a corolla, ice cars, not for me.
Try driving some decent cars, you might view EV in a different light. Toyota, yes you would choose to mock one of the most reliable and successful car companies in the world, citing a car which has sold more than 40 million units, for info Tesla are at the 80 thousand mark. biggrin
I think there's some sarcasm there - i.e. if one EV car has made you feel sick, then they all will, ergo, any ICE powered car, having once felt sick in one, they will all be the same.

I think the point is, there's no rationale as to why a Model 3 will not make you sick either... There's nothing i3 specific that makes other people feel ill - other than maybe the controversial looks. But inside they're great. and outside they're a bit odd but I've grown quite keen. If they were dropped a bit lower I'd be even more sold.

On the design side, I'm always left disappointed with Tesla - they had a great opportunity, with no brand history, and a completely different set of packing requirements to take a whole new look... Instead, I feel they're this rather bland design, fairly androgynous... To have seen some of the flair of the pen from the 60's would have had me sold!

Edited by RemarkLima on Saturday 10th November 22:42

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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RemarkLima said:
The 94ah has better suspension tuning and a bit better ride, so slightly better NVH.

Out of curiosity, was it the ride that made you feel sick? As my i3 rides better than my 3 series... Or was it a rocking forward and back motion? If the latter, then I'd suggest you need more than 2 days to adjust to the driving with one pedal, otherwise it's a bit of a jerk-a-ton when starting off. After a week or so, it's smooth as can be.

I'm not sure why a Model 3 would be any different in this regard? If you've not had one of a 48h test drive, you may end up with the same feeling??
I had the i3 for a week when the M3 ate its actuators. It genuinely made me ill on the commute. I changed it to eco pro and it was better but still not the best. Maybe in time you'd get used to it but it was very strange.

kambites

67,609 posts

222 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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yonex said:
For me, it’s because I see it as a nonsense.
I don't disagree but I fail to see why that's any different for a Model-3 than an M3. Not one buyer in 100 of either car will take it on track. Manufacturers have for generations used track times as PR for cars which, in reality, will never see a track.

I certainly find this no more cringe-worthy than the constant bleating about 'ring times from the mainstream manufacturers. It's all irrelevant rubbish but then what advertising isn't?

Edited by kambites on Saturday 10th November 22:49

Baldchap

7,700 posts

93 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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ash73 said:
Baldchap said:
ash73 said:
Baldchap said:
ash73 said:
And the regen is when you lift, not brake.
Just think about that for a moment... Why would a manufacturer turn off a large chunk of negative torque when the brakes are applied?
My comment was regards the control input not the mechanism, I would have thought that was obvious.
Those of us with experience of the vehicles we're discussing know that regen is optional and utterly predictable under use, reducing in impact as speed increases. Admit it, you have never driven a Tesla.
It's one of the features "turned up in Track Mode" so saying you can turn it off is beside the point. Tesla are the only EV manufacturer not to put any regen on the brake pedal iirc, so you have to modulate both pedals under braking; is this the EV equivalent of heel 'n toe? Or do you just let the computer decide?
They regen on the brake pedal OR on lift and brake - driver choice. There isn't an option to have zero regen whatsoever. There's one in my garage, I'm not making this up.

Happy for you not to like it, but it does get tiring when the same old forum crap gets wheeled out by people who've never even driven to the shops in one.

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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Baldchap said:
They regen on the brake pedal OR on lift and brake - driver choice. There isn't an option to have zero regen whatsoever. There's one in my garage, I'm not making this up.

Happy for you not to like it, but it does get tiring when the same old forum crap gets wheeled out by people who've never even driven to the shops in one.
The lowly i3 has the option to tailor regen. Anyway, can we all agree this 'track mode' press release is just a PR stunt?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Sunday 11th November 2018
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Seeing as there are already P3d owners using it on track then no i don't think it's a pr stunt at all.

It's certainly not relevant to many model 3 buyers but a chunk of people who bought the P3d it will be.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 11th November 2018
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RobDickinson said:
Seeing as there are already P3d owners using it on track then no i don't think it's a pr stunt at all.

It's certainly not relevant to many model 3 buyers but a chunk of people who bought the P3d it will be.
Why would you take a barge like this on track, makes no sense at all. It's not the point of the car. Oh well.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Sunday 11th November 2018
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It's not the point of the car? Who decides that?

There is a lot of time trial/autox in America and people use what they own.

Does pistonheads now not track cars?

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 11th November 2018
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RobDickinson said:
It's not the point of the car? Who decides that?

There is a lot of time trial/autox in America and people use what they own.

Does pistonheads now not track cars?
As I said, go drive some decent cars and come back and tell me that a Tesla is your first choice. So many better options.

When's the last time you were on track?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Sunday 11th November 2018
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No idea why you think this is about me or how you have such an opinion on a car you've never driven.

Against its peers the P3d seems to be doing just fine.


anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 11th November 2018
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RobDickinson said:
No idea why you think this is about me or how you have such an opinion on a car you've never driven.

Against its peers the P3d seems to be doing just fine.
As the default Tesla spokesperson I figured it was? I have no desire to drive one, it's totally irrelevant in the context as a track car.