Cyclists without lights - something needs to be done

[anonymous-user]

cb1965 said:

As I wrote it I think I have a better idea of how it was meant than you, now please stop as you are starting to embarrass yourself!

TBH, I can't be assed, but you've already been on a massive wind up, then said as much, then slated cyclists, now much more passive. If this thread is still open next week, i'll pull every single cycling quote you have written into one, concise st pile. I'll have a lot of spare time and it will genuinely amuse me to see you squirm.

In the meantime, Mr Jimmy Hill, stay classy.

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

At least the pro-cycling reach-around is consistent and predictable.

Honestly, I have no clue what you mean. Before I cycled, I never had a problem negotiating them, now, the same. Here we are on what is supposedly a car forum and a bunch of half wits always roll out the same BS. Cbeebies is a troll, nothing else.

At least the 'car enthusiast' rhetoric is consistent. And they mostly drive absolute durge.

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FiF said:

Stop being obtuse. To explain in short words. Someone makes a comment which is perceived as anticycling or critical of some cyclist action. The same folks appear out of the woodwork and trot out the same old stuff in some sort of mutual support and ends up with a load of back slapping. Too often the comments which arise make no attempt to discuss the issue but simply are abusive ad hominems. It's tiresome and just does the cause no favours.

You are absolutely missing the point.

I drive cars, motorcycles, various commercial things, all sorts. I also ride a bicycle.

The same absolute and total BS is rolled out every time, there is little foundation for any of it. It normally goes like like this;

• cyclists have no lights
• cyclists have no numberplates
• cyclists pay no tax
• cyclists dont respect red lights
• cyclists are reallt annoying

So.

Obtuse. How am I obtuse when I seem to drive 30-40K miles a year without crying on the internet about cyclists. I have to work in the capital and understand things are different to the suburbs. When I drive fast on the road I look out for cyclists, I am one, and understand what it feels like when a car threatens that space.

I can't stand halfwits like cbeebies who drive ste cars and likely haven't spent any amount of time or money on refining their roadcraft, yet make up the majority of anti cycling BS on this website. If you have followed things you'll see how he has trolled every thread. It's now gone from aggressive to a very much more passive approach. Just search on his posts, you'll see it, if you're actually bothered.

It's laughable how adults on a motoring website have such difficulty negotiating other traffic.

Slow to understand, I suggest looking closer to home.

[anonymous-user]

DoubleD said:

These threads always go the same way. Two sides trying to get little wins over the other side.

Why two sides, it's depressing anyone thinks that way. On one hand I can be a cyclist, the other driving a TVR, or Atom. It's not a mutually exclusive activity, we share the tarmac and have a responsibility to be less stty to one another...

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yonex said:

I can't stand halfwits like cbeebies who drive ste cars and likely haven't spent any amount of time or money on refining their roadcraft, yet make up the majority of anti cycling BS on this website. If you have followed things you'll see how he has trolled every thread. It's now gone from aggressive to a very much more passive approach. Just search on his posts, you'll see it, if you're actually bothered.

Halfwit? You really are making yourself look silly now. You have absolutely no idea about my road craft or what money or time I've spent and you keep confusing a troll with someone who doesn't think like you. You can call me out for driving ste cars if you wish, but that's just an opinion not fact. Yes I have been aggressive in the past, but usually to the likes of you in the face of the sort of crap you are dealing out on this thread! You bring it on yourself frankly!

[anonymous-user]

Mave said:

"picking up on the most irrelevant point in the post, deliberately misunderstanding it and arguing until they're blue in the face about the minutiae of the point in an attempt to deflect the thread or bore people to death such that the thread dies"

It's what you do much of the time and a case of once bitten, twice shy I'm afraid. I'm not alone in my opinion of your posting style as well you know so... go figure!

[anonymous-user]

cb1965 said:

Halfwit? You really are making yourself look silly now. You have absolutely no idea about my road craft or what money or time I've spent and you keep confusing a troll with someone who doesn't think like you. You can call me out for driving ste cars if you wish, but that's just an opinion not fact. Yes I have been aggressive in the past, but usually to the likes of you in the face of the sort of crap you are dealing out on this thread! You bring it on yourself frankly!

It's just obvious, honestly, you just appeal to the lowest common factor. You have been aggressive, now you are tying to pass it off as something else, it doesn't wash with me. The 'likes of me' are the average road user, a fact totally lost on you.

I am going to say, most on PH would say you are anti-cycling and have a mental problem.

Nobody can have this many problems with cyclists. It's a unique problem, for a unique individual.

[anonymous-user]

Mave said:

cb1965 said:

Mave said:

"picking up on the most irrelevant point in the post, deliberately misunderstanding it and arguing until they're blue in the face about the minutiae of the point in an attempt to deflect the thread or bore people to death such that the thread dies"

It's what you do much of the time and a case of once bitten, twice shy I'm afraid. I'm not alone in my opinion of your posting style as well you know so... go figure!

Yeah, Kuji agreed with you didn't he? Then he couldn't find anything of the sort in this thread. So I sent him to the last thread where you made the same accusation - he hasn't followed up so I'm assuming he didn't find anything juicy there either! Maybe he realised that referring to things as "irrelevant" is just one of your tactics to avoid answering questions that are, actually, relevant.

Being blunt I disagree with your protestations and stand by my opinion of your overall posting style. One swallow doth not make a summer and I won't be changing my mind about you any time soon no matter how much you try and paint yourself as some arbiter of rationality!

[anonymous-user]

yonex said:

cb1965 said:

Halfwit? You really are making yourself look silly now. You have absolutely no idea about my road craft or what money or time I've spent and you keep confusing a troll with someone who doesn't think like you. You can call me out for driving ste cars if you wish, but that's just an opinion not fact. Yes I have been aggressive in the past, but usually to the likes of you in the face of the sort of crap you are dealing out on this thread! You bring it on yourself frankly!

It's just obvious, honestly, you just appeal to the lowest common factor. You have been aggressive, now you are tying to pass it off as something else, it doesn't wash with me. The 'likes of me' are the average road user, a fact totally lost on you.

I am going to say, most on PH would say you are anti-cycling and have a mental problem.

Nobody can have this many problems with cyclists. It's a unique problem, for a unique individual.

Fine, if all that helps you sleep crack on. Can you maybe stop whinging now?

[anonymous-user]

cb1965 said:

Fine, if all that helps you sleep crack on. Can you maybe stop whinging now?

Deluded.

Start a poll. Is Cbeebies mental.

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

I think my point has been made quite clearly. Deliberate ad hominem abuse, repeatedly.

Time the thread was closed.

No, it hasn't.

Plenty of reasonable people trying to drag this nonsense on topic. Poor form quoiting latin in attempt to provide enlightenment.

It's really simple. Those that struggle daily with cyclists, struggle daily with most things.

Fiat Lux

[anonymous-user]

Johnnytheboy said:

It's very entertaining for the rest of us though!

As you say, it doesn't reflect remotely favourably on the cause of cycling, yet its proponents seem unable to see that.

If I had the finely honed debating skills of one of them I imagine I'd suggest they were mentally ill, or something equally spurious.

Can you see yourself and Cbeebies..

[anonymous-user]

As the thread has seemingly reached the point of no return I am going to leave a post I made earlier in the thread here. There are those who will decry it, but this sums up how I feel and why I posted this thread.

cb1965 said:

Fair enough, but I really don't generalise about all cyclists, I think it might feel like that as I do tend to give as good as I get when things kick off in here, but my complaint is with those that behave like idiots just as it is with drivers in the same boat. I think, as an occasional cyclist myself, I am just genuinely astounded at how little self preservation some of them seem to exhibit. My biggest complaint on the lights front is that I really couldn't imagine how I'd feel if I hit one... I know others on here have said it wouldn't bother them if they were in the right, but it would me.... a lot. I was trying to work it out the other day, but I reckon I've driven close to 1.5 million miles in my life and I've been very lucky to only have had one accident and that was at the hands of a drunk driver... I've never hit a pedestrian or a cyclist .... I really don't want to start now.

[anonymous-user]

heebeegeetee said:

Correct. The very first words: "Look I know the usual mob will roll their eyes..."

Wasn’t wrong though was I?

[anonymous-user]

Mave said:

cb1965 said:

heebeegeetee said:

Correct. The very first words: "Look I know the usual mob will roll their eyes..."

Wasn’t wrong though was I?

And there we have it. That comment, along with your first post, reveals your real motivation. You want a self fulfilling prophecy where you post inflammatory comments about your imaginary amorphous group just so that individuals respond and you add them into this made up militant cyclist "mob" that you keep trying to caricature.

Ironically, look back at the first page of your thread and the only people rubbing their hands in glee at the opportunity for an anti-cyclist argument are "your mob".

Oh give it up for goodness sake, I don't want anything of the sort you, it was posted as a serious topic and you and your cohorts have performed as expected, hence my original comment. It's as simple as that!

Now change the record as metaphorically stamping your foot and repeating the same tired old claptrap isn't going to magically change anyone's mind and apart from anything else it's tiresome and boring!

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Mave said:

Change the record? It's the first time I've expressed that particular opinion! Maybe you've confused me with someone else in your desire to create a virtual "mob" to argue with.

Nope, I haven't confused you with anyone else, you are fairly unique thank goodness!

[anonymous-user]

Mave said:

To be clear

Not possible for you!

[anonymous-user]

Mave said:

If you think "I was giving you the benefit of the doubt as to why you would make up things I've said" isn't clear, then there's little hope for you in this discussion lark.

What you don't seem to understand is I don't want a discussion with you! Not because I can't debate or any other such retort you'll doubtless come back with any minute now, but because, despite your protestations to the contrary, any lengthy engagement with you becomes bogged down in tedium caused by you latching onto some small and usually only partially relevant point and then questioning it to the nth degree and even when you get the answer explained to you in minute detail you still refuse to accept it as an answer all of which I suspect is some sort of diversionary tactic on your part to wear people down into submission.

Frankly you're like one of those boring pub regulars who barges in on other people's conversations making some tedious point while trying to be clever and who ends up boring everyone to death because they are all too polite to tell them to go away. Well I'm done being polite with you so take the hint!

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Mave said:

cb1965 said:

Mave said:

If you think "I was giving you the benefit of the doubt as to why you would make up things I've said" isn't clear, then there's little hope for you in this discussion lark.

What you don't seem to understand is I don't want a discussion with you! Not because I can't debate or any other such retort you'll doubtless come back with any minute now, but because, despite your protestations to the contrary, any lengthy engagement with you becomes bogged down in tedium caused by you latching onto some small and usually only partially relevant point

Ah, so now it's partially relevant, rather than irrelevant. Getting there. Maybe one day you'll actually realise the full relevance.

Cbeebies said:

and then questioning it to the nth degree

No, asking the same question in a different way because you keep avoiding answering it

Cbeebies said:

and even when you get the answer explained to you in minute detail you still refuse to accept it as an answer

Responding to a question by saying "it's an irrelevant question" or "it's obvious" or "can you guess" is not explaining an answer in minute detail

Cbeebies said:

all of which I suspect is some sort of diversionary tactic on your part to wear people down into submission.

How can it be diversionary to ask a relevant question?

Cbeebies said:

Frankly you're like one of those boring pub regulars who barges in on other people's conversations making some tedious point while trying to be clever and who ends up boring everyone to death because they are all too polite to tell them to go away. Well I'm done being polite with you so take the hint!

Here's a hint for you. If you misrepresent my opinions, or lie about what's been said, then I'm going to call you out. If you find that boring, that's your problem not mine.

And here's a hint for you, if you repeatedly question every answer you get to the questions you ask because you don't like or want to ignore the truth I am going to call you a divisive bore!

PS Before you jump up and down like a spoilt child again recall your nonsense about trucks and bikes from a couple of years ago!

[anonymous-user]

Mave said:

cb1965 said:

And here's a hint for you, if you repeatedly question every answer you get to the questions you ask because you don't like or want to ignore the truth I am going to call you a divisive bore!

PS Before you jump up and down like a spoilt child again recall your nonsense about trucks and bikes from a couple of years ago!

Oh, that one. The one where you claimed that the majority of cyclists' deaths involved HGVs so you could avoid discussing all non-HGV related incidents? Even though the "majority" was 30-40% IIRC? The thread where you denied that the report contained the statics I quoted, even when I linked the report and cited the page and table numbers?

Do you want me to carry on recalling the content of that thread, or is this just a ploy to accuse me of bringing up irrelevant facts and taking the thread off topic?

Here's a tip. If you want to have a serious discussion, then don't deliberately misrepresent what people have said, and then threaten to insult them if they question your opinion.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 26th November 07:41

I think you are having a selective memory moment there and that's being kind. Still on the bright side I made it through that post without nodding off.