Cyclists without lights - something needs to be done
Discussion
cb1965 said:
yonex, do you ride without lights? I suspect not so what are you getting so upset about? You need to calm down and stop letting the way you perceive a poster on an Internet forum wind you up so much. You're reading things into posts that just aren't there simply because you want to and it's making you look a bit unhinged frankly.
That's a good attempt, but you cannot possibly disguise the fact that you despise cyclists, for all the reasons stated already.No, I use lights on the commute in the daylight to wake up drivers, there's no demographic I can assure you, old, young, men, women, there's potential in all of them to try and kill me. It doesn't matter if I'm right about sharing the roads, I'll be the one ending up with life changing injuries. So, excuse me if I get pissed off with all the bottom feeders who identify themselves on PH as self important, impatient asshats it's my backside on the line.
You did, campaign for speed bumps y/n
You did, and do, call cyclists names y/n
You have created more than one thread moaning about cyclists y/n
Tell me. Who is the one with the problem exactly?
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 10th November 21:10
yonex said:
cb1965 said:
yonex, do you ride without lights? I suspect not so what are you getting so upset about? You need to calm down and stop letting the way you perceive a poster on an Internet forum wind you up so much. You're reading things into posts that just aren't there simply because you want to and it's making you look a bit unhinged frankly.
That's a good attempt, but you cannot possibly disguise the fact that you despise cyclists, for all the reasons stated already.No, I use lights on the commute in the daylight to wake up drivers, there's no demographic I can assure you, old, young, men, women, there's potential in all of them to try and kill me. It doesn't matter if I'm right about sharing the roads, I'll be the one ending up with life changing injuries. So, excuse me if I get pissed off with all the bottom feeders who identify themselves on PH as self important, impatient asshats it's my backside on the line.
You did, campaign for speed bumps y/n
You did, and do, call cyclists names y/n
You have created more than one thread moaning about cyclists y/n
Tell me. Who is the one with the problem exactly?
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 10th November 21:10
I don't despise all cyclists, but I don't like the ones that behave like idiots.
I didn't campaign for speedbumps, you didn't read the thread properly
I don't call all cyclists names, just the ones that ride like idiots.
See what I mean, you need to get a grip.
PS I did delete some of my posts on several different threads and not for the reason you think.
cb1965 said:
Your post appeared to imply I would be happy to kill a cyclist, I really wouldn't.
I don't despise all cyclists, but I don't like the ones that behave like idiots.
I didn't campaign for speedbumps, you didn't read the thread properly
I don't call all cyclists names, just the ones that ride like idiots.
See what I mean, you need to get a grip.
PS I did delete some of my posts on several different threads and not for the reason you think.
Why was that then?I don't despise all cyclists, but I don't like the ones that behave like idiots.
I didn't campaign for speedbumps, you didn't read the thread properly
I don't call all cyclists names, just the ones that ride like idiots.
See what I mean, you need to get a grip.
PS I did delete some of my posts on several different threads and not for the reason you think.
I don't like old farts generalising about 'everyone'. I don't understand why any adult doesn't understand that there are good and bad on all sides. You have so much history of positing anti-cycling stuff, I'm not sure why you've taken this new stance....
Very odd.
yonex said:
cb1965 said:
Your post appeared to imply I would be happy to kill a cyclist, I really wouldn't.
I don't despise all cyclists, but I don't like the ones that behave like idiots.
I didn't campaign for speedbumps, you didn't read the thread properly
I don't call all cyclists names, just the ones that ride like idiots.
See what I mean, you need to get a grip.
PS I did delete some of my posts on several different threads and not for the reason you think.
Why was that then?I don't despise all cyclists, but I don't like the ones that behave like idiots.
I didn't campaign for speedbumps, you didn't read the thread properly
I don't call all cyclists names, just the ones that ride like idiots.
See what I mean, you need to get a grip.
PS I did delete some of my posts on several different threads and not for the reason you think.
I don't like old farts generalising about 'everyone'. I don't understand why any adult doesn't understand that there are good and bad on all sides. You have so much history of positing anti-cycling stuff, I'm not sure why you've taken this new stance....
Very odd.
cb1965 said:
Look, think what you like as I really don't care, but this constant sniping isn't adding anything. You've had your say so hopefully you're happy, if not take another pop if it makes you feel better, but I'm done with any further exchanges over whether you think I'm a troll, an old fart or whatever other insult you choose to chuck my way.
Your thread is a nonsense, it's been done to death. Anyone who searches what you continually roll out as facts about cyclists will make their own minds up. Get over yourself, it's not very difficult. Killboy said:
cb1965 said:
Surprise, surprise the usual suspects are post failing attempts and sarcasm and denying it happens on any significant level while metaphorically patting each other on the back as ever. What a pity, given they're so proud of the fact they cycle, that they don't take what so many others, including some other cyclists, see as a problem seriously, but the then it's these sort of uncaring selfish attitudes from so many that leads us to the situation we see today and not just as far as cycling in the dark with no lights goes either.
And surprise surprise, another "problem that needs solving" cycle thread by you, now using your 12 year old as empirical evidence of some massive issue to further some agenda.Here some published stats: "Around 80% of cycling accidents occur in daylight - which is when most cycling takes place. For child cyclists,
90% of their accidents occur during the day. The most dangerous hours for cyclists are 3.00 to 6.00 p.m. and
8.00 to 9.00 a.m. on weekdays".
Yes, something needs to be done.
The saddest part about this is it seems you are wearing off on a 12 year old. Shame, she is probably barred from ever living in London and cycling to work.
Oh and she cycles everywhere.
BTW you do realise that "Around 80% of cycling accidents occur in daylight - which is when most cycling takes place" kind of explains itself don't you? Honestly, I despair at how basic logic seems to evade some of you!
cb1965 said:
No, it's pathetic really isn't it. It seems that some people on here just don't think cyclists should be responsible for their own safety and then seem to get unreasonably angry about it and start hurling the insults around. Oh well if I'm cretinous for wanting to not kill a cyclist because I can't see them due to their choice to ride with no lights or hi-vis clothing then fine, I can live with that.
You don’t give a toss about cyclists, how many times have you posted a load of tripe related to cycling with this agenda of yours. We know it all stems back to ‘when I lived in London’, fascinating stuff, let alone that horrible accident which was all the cyclists fault, but you’ve never actually shared evidence and removed all your posts when the the thread left you nowhere to go. You’ve campaigned for speed bumps in your road, called cyclists every name under the sun but want your ‘safety’ thread taken seriously?
Bit late for that. Anti cycling troll. That’s the beginning and end of it.
gazza285 said:
cb1965 said:
Surprise, surprise the usual suspects are post failing attempts and sarcasm and denying it happens on any significant level while metaphorically patting each other on the back as ever. What a pity, given they're so proud of the fact they cycle, that they don't take what so many others, including some other cyclists, see as a problem seriously, but the then it's these sort of uncaring selfish attitudes from so many that leads us to the situation we see today and not just as far as cycling in the dark with no lights goes either.
I cycle. I'm sure you have mentioned that you cycle as well. I do many more miles in a motor vehicle than I ride, but I am a cyclist.As I am a cyclist, what exactly do you want me to do about someone on a bicycle without lights in the vicinity of where you live? I can't do anything about someone riding a bicycle without lights in the vicinity of where I live. I can't do anything about people driving on bald tyres, I can't do anything about red light runners, be they cycling or driving, I can't do anything about people driving with defective headlights, I can't do anything about people driving without their lights on when it's dark. All these things are against the law already.
I can't do anything about other cyclists riding in the middle of the road, holding people up, either with cause or without. I can't do anything about f
king road tax, or fat blokes in lycra, or open exhausts, or close passes, or pedestrians, or cyclists without hi-vis, or horse riders, or "peletons", or Strava wkers, or myopic drivers, or people who open doors in front of cyclists/motorcyclists/cars/buses/any other form of vehicle/runners on the pavement. So how about a bit of personal responsibility? As a cyclist I am not responsible for other cyclists behaviour, so I'm not part of "your mob" or any other mob, I am only responsible for myself.
As for your original point, cycling without lights and reflectors after dark is against the law, so why don't you become a responsible citizen and report them to the police? Let them deal with it.
Firstly it wasn't aimed at you and all I was saying is that it might be nice if those taking the piss would actually take the issue seriously. I wasn't advocating they could do anything, but the first solution to any problem is accepting there is a problem.
Secondly how do I report them? "Hi there Mr. Policeman, I've just seen a cyclist with no lights? I don't know his name or what he looks like as it was dark, but if you could sort him out that would be great" And no I'm not about to start banging on about numberplates, but.... you can see that reporting them is just not going to work. They need education frankly.... how they can't realise that it's a dumb thing to do solely from a self preservation perspective concerns me for the gene pool situation as much as anything. How they get that education is the question I guess.
80sMatchbox said:
cb1965 said:
MDUBZ said:
the OPs post didn't seem that unreasonable tbh
No, it's pathetic really isn't it. It seems that some people on here just don't think cyclists should be responsible for their own safety and then seem to get unreasonably angry about it and start hurling the insults around. They also don't understand what a generalisation is. Oh well if I'm cretinous for wanting to not kill a cyclist because I can't see them due to their choice to ride with no lights or hi-vis clothing then fine, I can live with that. When last did you have an eye test? Maybe get her to drive next time, she seems a much better driver than you, from what you've said.
PS not my step daughter, the assumptions on here are quite amusing.
gazza285 said:
cb1965 said:
Calm down for goodness sake.
Firstly it wasn't aimed at you and all I was saying is that it might be nice if those taking the piss would actually take the issue seriously. I wasn't advocating they could do anything, but the first solution to any problem is accepting there is a problem.
Secondly how do I report them? "Hi there Mr. Policeman, I've just seen a cyclist with no lights? I don't know his name or what he looks like as it was dark, but if you could sort him out that would be great" And no I'm not about to start banging on about numberplates, but.... you can see that reporting them is just not going to work. They need education frankly.... how they can't realise that it's a dumb thing to do solely from a self preservation perspective concerns me for the gene pool situation as much as anything. How they get that education is the question I guess.
Perfectly calm thanks. Firstly it wasn't aimed at you and all I was saying is that it might be nice if those taking the piss would actually take the issue seriously. I wasn't advocating they could do anything, but the first solution to any problem is accepting there is a problem.
Secondly how do I report them? "Hi there Mr. Policeman, I've just seen a cyclist with no lights? I don't know his name or what he looks like as it was dark, but if you could sort him out that would be great" And no I'm not about to start banging on about numberplates, but.... you can see that reporting them is just not going to work. They need education frankly.... how they can't realise that it's a dumb thing to do solely from a self preservation perspective concerns me for the gene pool situation as much as anything. How they get that education is the question I guess.
They already know it's dangerous, but they are lacking in any sort of self awareness of what is going on around them to realise it applies to themselves. See also most drivers for this phenomenon.
There are too many idiots in the gene pool already.
I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, but your generalisation of the cycling community grates sometimes, we are not all created equal.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 11th November 03:17
giantdefy said:
Mandalore said:
As for the original question, before the militants decided they didn’t like it.
I think it's the double standards that annoy me the most, this site is full of people who want break motoring laws such as to speed with impunity, and, judging from a recent thread, jump lights with impunity etc etc. But do some thing illegal on a push bike and you are a lycra cacd fkwit, or drug dealer it would seem. I also believe that on dry motorways with good visibility and light traffic 70mph is a sillly low limit whereas in the dark on a wet motorway with heavy traffic it is probably too high.
It’s a question of judgement I guess, but I doubt that riding around in the dark dressed in black with no lights would come up as acceptable to many... yet you see plenty of them... it’s genuinely stupid frankly.
cb1965 said:
Fair enough, but I really don't generalise about all cyclists, I think it might feel like that as I do tend to give as good as I get when things kick off in here, but my complaint is with those that behave like idiots just as it is with drivers in the same boat. I think, as an occasional cyclist myself, I am just genuinely astounded at how little self preservation some of them seem to exhibit. My biggest complaint on the lights front is that I really couldn't imagine how I'd feel if I hit one... I know others on here have said it wouldn't bother them if they were in the right, but it would me.... a lot. I was trying to work it out the other day, but I reckon I've driven close to 1.5 million miles in my life and I've been very lucky to only have had one accident and that was at the hands of a drunk driver... I've never hit a pedestrian or a cyclist .... I really don't want to start now.
So if you don’t have a problem with cyclists why do you create so many daft threads about them? As for not generalising, shall I pull up a few of your quotes....Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 11th November 03:17
It’s staggering how some people write things and conveniently forget. Even if you have deleted some of the more inflammatory remarks they’ll likely still be quoted
yonex said:
So if you don’t have a problem with cyclists why do you create so many daft threads about them? As for not generalising, shall I pull up a few of your quotes....
It’s staggering how some people write things and conveniently forget. Even if you have deleted some of the more inflammatory remarks they’ll likely still be quoted
Do what you like, but we both know you won’t be contextual and will cherry pick to support your agenda. By the way you do realise you’re coming across as a bit weird and obsessive don’t you?It’s staggering how some people write things and conveniently forget. Even if you have deleted some of the more inflammatory remarks they’ll likely still be quoted
PS I have a problem with idiot cyclists as I have said several times in this thread alone.... context my little weird Internet friend... context!
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 11th November 10:57
mdavids said:
Must be reading different threads, I'm not seeing any apologising, just boredom at yet another cycling whinge thread started by the op. Its almost 1 per week for fks sake. Seriously think he needs help, or just to get a life, it's a borderline obsession and more than a little pathetic.
Approximately 20% of the population are imbeciles or self centered tts, lots of them can be found behaving like utter bell ends behind the wheel of a car, some of them ride bikes. Get over it.
1 a week???? LOL. I’ll get a life when you learn to tell the truth!ks sake. Seriously think he needs help, or just to get a life, it's a borderline obsession and more than a little pathetic.Approximately 20% of the population are imbeciles or self centered t
ts, lots of them can be found behaving like utter bell ends behind the wheel of a car, some of them ride bikes. Get over it. Anyway at least you’ve revealed yourself as happy to have people riding around with no lights on I guess.
mdavids said:
cb1965 said:
1 a week???? LOL. I’ll get a life when you learn to tell the truth!
Maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but certainly seems that way at times.At least you're admitting you don't have a life, acknowledging you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
cb1965 said:
If a few of you want to start a separate ‘cb1865 is s ****’ thread then please do!
Who's he? Sounds like you've got multiple personalities at work in that head of yours. This thread is the paradigm of poor presentation of a good point. Resulting in the merit of the good point being entirely lost.
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