Cyclists without lights - something needs to be done
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cb1965 said:
Last post with you on this as a) it's way off topic and b) you're being your usual divisive self and/or suffering form memory loss
Here is what Fif and I came up with from the TfL data on the subject of lory related deaths in London all those months ago:
Last 3 years, cycling deaths in London - 14 deaths in collision with lorry, 2 with buses, 4 with car, 1 with bicycle.
14 out of 21 are lorry related, 16 out of 21 lorry/bus
I'll let you do the maths.
If you recall, the stats you were quoting from were national not London based. Bit of a cock up on your part that one!
Just did a quick check, the numbers I quoted were London based, not National. The National based numbers were even lower. So no, not a cock up.Here is what Fif and I came up with from the TfL data on the subject of lory related deaths in London all those months ago:
Last 3 years, cycling deaths in London - 14 deaths in collision with lorry, 2 with buses, 4 with car, 1 with bicycle.
14 out of 21 are lorry related, 16 out of 21 lorry/bus
I'll let you do the maths.
If you recall, the stats you were quoting from were national not London based. Bit of a cock up on your part that one!
The numbers you quote above were cherry picked from a few years out of a much larger data set. There were only 2 years where the majority of cyclists deaths in London involved HGVs. For each of the other individual years, on average over the 8 years of reported data, and for every area outside of London the majority of cyclists deaths did not involve HGVs. So my original point, which was that we should not limit discussing cyclist safety only to those incidents involving HGVs, still stands.
Nanook said:
Changing bulbs is a pain in the ass these days.
The rear indicator bulbs on my car are in the bumper, not the rear clusters.
You have to remove the read clusters to get anywhere near them though.
I changed the sidelights recently too. First thing you have to do is jack the car up and take the front wheels off.
Hardly convenient to change at the side of the road.
Changed a sidelight on our Saab last night; had to loosen the bumper, take out the washer reservoir fill tube, relocate a fusebox, and take out the headlamp unit. Just the kind of thing you'd want to be doing on the side of the road in the rain - if there are European laws making you have spare bulbs in the car, surely there should also be European rules to make sure that they can be changed without any tooling?The rear indicator bulbs on my car are in the bumper, not the rear clusters.
You have to remove the read clusters to get anywhere near them though.
I changed the sidelights recently too. First thing you have to do is jack the car up and take the front wheels off.
Hardly convenient to change at the side of the road.
Mave said:
Just did a quick check, the numbers I quoted were London based, not National. The National based numbers were even lower. So no, not a cock up.
Sorry, but you're talking nonsense, the national numbers showed a lower percentage of HGV deaths, but the thread was about London and you did use national figures as if they were London only, it was FiF who pulled you up on it. As for cherry picking... all statistics are based on data samples and time periods, I just looked at the last 3 years at the time as they seemed relevant to the present, you're basically just clutching at straws and not remembering things quite the way they happened!cb1965 said:
Mave said:
Just did a quick check, the numbers I quoted were London based, not National. The National based numbers were even lower. So no, not a cock up.
Sorry, but you're talking nonsense, the national numbers showed a lower percentage of HGV deaths, but the thread was about London and you did use national figures as if they were London only, it was FiF who pulled you up on it. As for cherry picking... all statistics are based on data samples and time periods, I just looked at the last 3 years at the time as they seemed relevant to the present, you're basically just clutching at straws and not remembering things quite the way they happened!There was no cherry picking of data from me, iirc any use of subsets was explained at the time usually in connection with looking at particular specific collision type/location issues.
cb1965 said:
Sorry, but you're talking nonsense, the national numbers showed a lower percentage of HGV deaths, but the thread was about London and you did use national figures as if they were London only, it was FiF who pulled you up on it. As for cherry picking... all statistics are based on data samples and time periods, I just looked at the last 3 years at the time as they seemed relevant to the present, you're basically just clutching at straws and not remembering things quite the way they happened!
The numbers I originally posted in that thread (18%) were for the national data. The numbers I referred to earlier in this thread (30-40%) were the numbers I discussed with FiF after you posted the link to the London only data.FiF said:
cb1965 said:
Mave said:
Just did a quick check, the numbers I quoted were London based, not National. The National based numbers were even lower. So no, not a cock up.
Sorry, but you're talking nonsense, the national numbers showed a lower percentage of HGV deaths, but the thread was about London and you did use national figures as if they were London only, it was FiF who pulled you up on it. As for cherry picking... all statistics are based on data samples and time periods, I just looked at the last 3 years at the time as they seemed relevant to the present, you're basically just clutching at straws and not remembering things quite the way they happened!There was no cherry picking of data from me, iirc any use of subsets was explained at the time usually in connection with looking at particular specific collision type/location issues.
On tonight's episode of Catch that Naughty Cyclist!!1! we have a fairly well behaved lot. Obviously this cannot be the first image or video I took, and I had to leave a lot on the cutting room floor, but hey ho, here it is.
21 out of 21 in this image and by my count had lights, and a good deal had high vis. (never mind that they were also using the cycle infrastructure and all stopped at the light)
Video link:
https://i.imgur.com/SIwC8J3.mp4
Maybe tomorrow I'll be experience the epidemic touted here.
For full disclosure, I saw two people with only high viz and no lights (one deliveroo rider, and the other a construction worker).
Also, hilariously, two cyclists rode into each other on the other side of Blackfriers Bridge, that should at least please some here.
21 out of 21 in this image and by my count had lights, and a good deal had high vis. (never mind that they were also using the cycle infrastructure and all stopped at the light)
Video link:
https://i.imgur.com/SIwC8J3.mp4
Maybe tomorrow I'll be experience the epidemic touted here.
For full disclosure, I saw two people with only high viz and no lights (one deliveroo rider, and the other a construction worker).
Also, hilariously, two cyclists rode into each other on the other side of Blackfriers Bridge, that should at least please some here.
nickfrog said:
That's consistent with what I see in London most weeks. Again, where is the "chaos" repeatedly described (by only one poster) ?
One poster - is that apart form all the others on this thread reporting similar? If you're going to accuse people of being mentally ill try not doing a good impression of being challenged yourself.To Killboy - you are riding in the centre of the city with the main city commuters who will no doubt be more sensible with lights, Try getting out of the centre a little and checking out the kids, teenagers and those commuting to/from less well paid work shall we say. Also have look later at night after the rush hour. That said when I was in London I'd still see a fair few of the main commuters without lights, trying to turn left across the cycle lane onto the A320 (I think it is) just south of the river was always a fun one.
cb1965 said:
One poster - is that apart form all the others on this thread reporting similar? If you're going to accuse people of being mentally ill try not doing a good impression of being challenged yourself.
To Killboy - you are riding in the centre of the city with the main city commuters who will no doubt be more sensible with lights, Try getting out of the centre a little and checking out the kids, teenagers and those commuting to/from less well paid work shall we say. Also have look later at night after the rush hour. That said when I was in London I'd still see a fair few of the main commuters without lights, trying to turn left across the cycle lane onto the A320 (I think it is) just south of the river was always a fun one.
Just how far out of the center do I need to go? I don't live in the center, and my commute takes me through a good few areas, and it doesnt change much. To Killboy - you are riding in the centre of the city with the main city commuters who will no doubt be more sensible with lights, Try getting out of the centre a little and checking out the kids, teenagers and those commuting to/from less well paid work shall we say. Also have look later at night after the rush hour. That said when I was in London I'd still see a fair few of the main commuters without lights, trying to turn left across the cycle lane onto the A320 (I think it is) just south of the river was always a fun one.
Killboy said:
Just how far out of the center do I need to go? I don't live in the center, and my commute takes me through a good few areas, and it doesnt change much.
You don't need to go anywhere, I'm not telling you what to do. I'm genuinely just saying that my observations tended to differ from when you were out towards Brixton, Peckham, Herne Hill, Dulwich, Balham than just north of the river.cb1965 said:
Genuine question - in what way were the 31 lights broken? Misaligned in which case I see plenty of those, but one or more not functioning at all I see a lot less of these days probably as modern cars tell you on the dash when specific lights are out.
One or more front lights not workingcb1965 said:
nickfrog said:
That's consistent with what I see in London most weeks. Again, where is the "chaos" repeatedly described (by only one poster) ?
One poster - is that apart form all the others on this thread reporting similar? If you're going to accuse people of being mentally ill try not doing a good impression of being challenged yourself..
No chaos whatsoever. I haven't seen anyone else in this thread reporting "chaos" in London.
Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 27th November 08:42
cb1965 said:
You don't need to go anywhere, I'm not telling you what to do. I'm genuinely just saying that my observations tended to differ from when you were out towards Brixton, Peckham, Herne Hill, Dulwich, Balham than just north of the river.
Lol, okay. I'm building a house in one of these areas and will gladly prove you wrong, again. 
Killboy said:
On tonight's episode of Catch that Naughty Cyclist!!1! we have a fairly well behaved lot. Obviously this cannot be the first image or video I took, and I had to leave a lot on the cutting room floor, but hey ho, here it is.
21 out of 21 in this image and by my count had lights, and a good deal had high vis. (never mind that they were also using the cycle infrastructure and all stopped at the light)
Theres 16 cyclist in this photo,21 out of 21 in this image and by my count had lights, and a good deal had high vis. (never mind that they were also using the cycle infrastructure and all stopped at the light)
From left to right, no.3 im assuming is on a boris bike therefore has some sort of lighting.
Red jacket has a front light only
Person in in black looks like they have a front light only
Blue trousers, nothing,
Dude in yellow with red pannier - im assuming thats a piezo rear light
Guy at the front on the white 'racer' has nothing.
i occasionally work in/around the 'city' and youll see numerous 'naughty' cyclists. Same as youll see elsewhere around the country. The ones i cant understand are the ones with the s
tty little lights which offer the ride next to no lighting and hardly visible to a driver.Yes i cycle and yes im naughty in that i have the 'for off road use only' lights on my bike due to having retards pull out on me with my previous s
tty lights. Dont worry, i aim them so the beam cuts off at the same point as a carlemmingjames said:
Theres 16 cyclist in this photo,
From left to right, no.3 im assuming is on a boris bike therefore has some sort of lighting.
Red jacket has a front light only
Person in in black looks like they have a front light only
Blue trousers, nothing,
Dude in yellow with red pannier - im assuming thats a piezo rear light
Guy at the front on the white 'racer' has nothing.
i occasionally work in/around the 'city' and youll see numerous 'naughty' cyclists. Same as youll see elsewhere around the country. The ones i cant understand are the ones with the stty little lights which offer the ride next to no lighting and hardly visible to a driver.
Yes i cycle and yes im naughty in that i have the 'for off road use only' lights on my bike due to having retards pull out on me with my previous stty lights. Dont worry, i aim them so the beam cuts off at the same point as a car
I'm taking a guess you didn't watch the video? Three more cycle into view from the left, and two come up from the right. And you can see who's flashing. From left to right, no.3 im assuming is on a boris bike therefore has some sort of lighting.
Red jacket has a front light only
Person in in black looks like they have a front light only
Blue trousers, nothing,
Dude in yellow with red pannier - im assuming thats a piezo rear light
Guy at the front on the white 'racer' has nothing.
i occasionally work in/around the 'city' and youll see numerous 'naughty' cyclists. Same as youll see elsewhere around the country. The ones i cant understand are the ones with the s
tty little lights which offer the ride next to no lighting and hardly visible to a driver.Yes i cycle and yes im naughty in that i have the 'for off road use only' lights on my bike due to having retards pull out on me with my previous s
tty lights. Dont worry, i aim them so the beam cuts off at the same point as a carGassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff