RE: BMW reveals 374hp M340i ahead of LA show
Discussion
Turbo (no more NA straight sixes)
Auto (no more manuals)
AWD (no choice in the matter)
As the owner of a 2018 3-Series, the latter is the final nail in the coffin and a complete dealbreaker for me. BMW seem desperate to throw away their past, USPs and all, to chase trends that are undesirable (to say the least) to a “proper” car enthusiasts (what the f
k is an “Active Tourer”?).
Might as well go the whole hog and make it a self-driving appliance. At least then you could do something more interesting (watching paint dry / counting grains in a bag of rice / listen to Gordon Brown talk about Brexit) than supervising the computers that are effectively driving it for you.
Christ, modern cars suck balls!
Auto (no more manuals)
AWD (no choice in the matter)
As the owner of a 2018 3-Series, the latter is the final nail in the coffin and a complete dealbreaker for me. BMW seem desperate to throw away their past, USPs and all, to chase trends that are undesirable (to say the least) to a “proper” car enthusiasts (what the f
k is an “Active Tourer”?).Might as well go the whole hog and make it a self-driving appliance. At least then you could do something more interesting (watching paint dry / counting grains in a bag of rice / listen to Gordon Brown talk about Brexit) than supervising the computers that are effectively driving it for you.
Christ, modern cars suck balls!
Kenny Powers said:
Should be a great car and very quick. Consummate all-round daily driver 
Yes, probably not quite like an E30 M3 but thats not what people, by and large want, they want auto boxes and 4wd because they cant be arsed changing gear and want to be able to use more than half of the available power when its wet, or any of it when it snows.1 bhp off a Lotus Calrton in a normal 3 series.
Fastdruid said:
Collaudatore said:
gigglebug said:
Howard- said:
Fastdruid said:
Cooking as in "cooking wine", ie the boggo stuff you use for cooking not the nice stuff.
cooking
When something travels or accelerates at an unusually fast rate.
The Z06 (corvette) is cooking off the line.
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David (DK) Alagozian implies it is a positive trait
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B'stard Child said:
cooking hot or not - linky
Where it was done last time
125 Phr's responded
- 72% said slow version
- 28% said hot version
certainly surprised by how few poll results - do the polls not work on an iphone
Where it was done last time
125 Phr's responded
- 72% said slow version
- 28% said hot version
certainly surprised by how few poll results - do the polls not work on an iphone
I'm well aware of the thread...
I just wasn't quite sure that the issue had been debated often enough.
This is Pistonheads - Arguing about he same old pish, from now until Doomsday, matters.
Fastdruid said:
Turbojuice said:
wab172uk said:
Auto only 
So much for `Drivers cars`
To me, a manual in this car would make no sense. It's a heavy saloon car not a sports car.So much for `Drivers cars`
Manual makes both far more interesting (well that and the engines!)
To me this is something that is the USP of BMW, they market themselves as drivers cars and yet they appear to be doing everything they can to get rid of that USP...and if you are getting rid of everything that makes them interesting then you may as well just go electric. Especially seeing as if you no longer care about the drive train you have things like the Tesla 3 Performance which is quicker round a circuit than the M4.
Turbojuice said:
Even the much smaller 140 didn't feel great with a manual, probably because the man box in that was a bit crap but it felt like an entirely different car with the fantastic zf auto box.
Other people have a different view that with the ZF it's fast as fk but uninspiring as there is little involvement while the manual changes that to being far more of an involved drive and all the better for it. Smart cruise control so the car will slow down and accelerate itself, and everything can be configurable to within an inch of it's life.
Just bring on the Autonomous car so everyone can be glued to their smartphones while the car drives you there.
Boring
for me, the zf paddleshift sports boxes are really good, gives best of both worlds, as essentially will be used for work traffic/ Le mans runs etc where you can just waft along, and then when a nice weekend B road opportunity arises, into manual mode, and very nice quick shifts up and down are equally as satisfying nowadays as a good manual, and fyi i have a manual lotus elise which i love, but then i would never do long journeys in it or sit in non moving traffic in the mornings, so for me anyway paddleshift option a complete no brainer on this.
Scott
Scott
wab172uk said:
Fastdruid said:
Turbojuice said:
wab172uk said:
Auto only
So much for `Drivers cars`
To me, a manual in this car would make no sense. It's a heavy saloon car not a sports car.So much for `Drivers cars`
Manual makes both far more interesting (well that and the engines!)
To me this is something that is the USP of BMW, they market themselves as drivers cars and yet they appear to be doing everything they can to get rid of that USP...and if you are getting rid of everything that makes them interesting then you may as well just go electric. Especially seeing as if you no longer care about the drive train you have things like the Tesla 3 Performance which is quicker round a circuit than the M4.
Turbojuice said:
Even the much smaller 140 didn't feel great with a manual, probably because the man box in that was a bit crap but it felt like an entirely different car with the fantastic zf auto box.
Other people have a different view that with the ZF it's fast as fk but uninspiring as there is little involvement while the manual changes that to being far more of an involved drive and all the better for it. Smart cruise control so the car will slow down and accelerate itself, and everything can be configurable to within an inch of it's life.
Just bring on the Autonomous car so everyone can be glued to their smartphones while the car drives you there.
Boring
Alexa! Speed up!
Alexa! Slow down.
Alexa! Accelerate flat out down the slip road and pull out across all 3 lanes into the ‘fast lane’!
You wouldn’t have to be bothered using the pedals either then, that’s just wasted effort.
Think this may be my next car in touring guise.
Having owned an E92 M3 DCT Coupe , F31 335d touring and F83 M4 DCT convertible (in that order) I think it will give a great combination of usable performance, practicality and wil be good fun too for the type of car it is.
Personally I think it’s a smart move by BMW offering xdrive, the F series 340i wasn’t in this country and I think it would have sold better if it was.
Comments on the “glorious” V8 M3 make me laugh, when it was in production everyone hated it for not being able to pull the skin off a rice pudding!
I only wish they would offer an M3 in touring guise especially given the next one will likely be 4wd.
Not sure about the ‘teeth’ on the grille but sure it will be a grower.
Having owned an E92 M3 DCT Coupe , F31 335d touring and F83 M4 DCT convertible (in that order) I think it will give a great combination of usable performance, practicality and wil be good fun too for the type of car it is.
Personally I think it’s a smart move by BMW offering xdrive, the F series 340i wasn’t in this country and I think it would have sold better if it was.
Comments on the “glorious” V8 M3 make me laugh, when it was in production everyone hated it for not being able to pull the skin off a rice pudding!
I only wish they would offer an M3 in touring guise especially given the next one will likely be 4wd.
Not sure about the ‘teeth’ on the grille but sure it will be a grower.
ITP said:
Maybe get Alexa (or whatever that crap is called) built in too.
Alexa! Speed up!
Alexa! Slow down.
Alexa! Accelerate flat out down the slip road and pull out across all 3 lanes into the ‘fast lane’!
You wouldn’t have to be bothered using the pedals either then, that’s just wasted effort.
That would make up part of the BMW 'Premium Road Kaiser Package' Alexa! Speed up!
Alexa! Slow down.
Alexa! Accelerate flat out down the slip road and pull out across all 3 lanes into the ‘fast lane’!
You wouldn’t have to be bothered using the pedals either then, that’s just wasted effort.
- Traffic lights go green when your car approaches a junction.
- Side indicator delete
- Brake system delete
- Additional HID lighting from the kidney grills to really ensure everyone can see you
- Road rage safety protection system (i.e punch proof tinted windows)
Collaudatore said:
TheBALDpuma said:
Arrggghhhhhhhhhhhh
Cooking version is the 320
P.s. you've been here forever so no excuses!!
Whaaaaaat?Cooking version is the 320
P.s. you've been here forever so no excuses!!
Edited by TheBALDpuma on Tuesday 13th November 12:48
I thought cooking meant fast?
Cooking=hot, hot=fast...?
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