New winter tyres fitted but grip is worse
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Jonny TVR said:
To give you a background the m5 is an f90 m5 with 4wd and it has 6K miles on it .. on the summer tyres. I struggled to lose traction in 4wd with the summers. Anyway I will report back once I have done a couple of hundred miles this week.
I think your expectations of winter tyres is not going to meet the reality. If you're complaining that full throttle launches cause them to lose grip then that's really not what they're made for, and you'll quickly wear them out doing that.Winter tyres exist to give you a bit more grip in very cold conditions, and on ice and snow. You have to drive them gently to get the best out of them.
In these kind of temperatures when the tyres are outside of their ideal operating temperatures, you'll still have to drive gently otherwise you'll overheat the tyre and wear them out very quickly. You'll never be able to drive on winters like you do on the summer tyres.
Edited by IanCress on Wednesday 14th November 09:26
I must admit I dumped my LM-32 Bridgestone winter tyres at the end of Winter just gone, and put some Sottozero 3's on. Over Summer I ran my Summer tyres, moving to the Sottozero earlier this month did give me a little reminder that the tread block movement was far more with just over 8mm on over my LM-32's that were just above 4mm and my Summer tyres that were around mid 5's.
Do not forget as well at 4mm really you need to change Winter tyres so as said do not overheat them or wear them quickly otherwise you will loose the edge they have in worse conditions.
Being smoother with your inputs on a Winter is more important as well due to that initial agent removal etc. I have found mine improving week on week even in warmer temperatures at around 10 degrees. I know the bridgestone design I had was older, but the new ones are much better at dealing with a quick getaway.
Do not forget as well at 4mm really you need to change Winter tyres so as said do not overheat them or wear them quickly otherwise you will loose the edge they have in worse conditions.
Being smoother with your inputs on a Winter is more important as well due to that initial agent removal etc. I have found mine improving week on week even in warmer temperatures at around 10 degrees. I know the bridgestone design I had was older, but the new ones are much better at dealing with a quick getaway.
DailyHack said:
I am on smaller dumpy 16" wheels though, which I chose over 17/18/19" - nice plush ride and decent comfort makes a difference and opens up alot of choice for tyre brands - I am on Riken Snowtimes 205/55/16 at the moment (£40 per corner when purchased) 
I like the extra comfort of the bigger sidewalls too but can only drop 1” smaller than OE summers.I’m surprised there are cars out there though that have 19” wheels that can still fit 16”s on!
Winter tyres in warm weather are awful. I have a spare set of alloys and usually wait until we're due a good run of proper winter weather before i swap them over (I live in the Peak District so a good run of winter weather generally means from late November to about April the following year...).
Years ago I had an Impreza STI, and it would go through anything on winters but when the weather warmed up it was like driving on marshmallows. Every time you put your foot down or went into a corner you could feel the blocks in the tyres squirm under the lateral load.
Years ago I had an Impreza STI, and it would go through anything on winters but when the weather warmed up it was like driving on marshmallows. Every time you put your foot down or went into a corner you could feel the blocks in the tyres squirm under the lateral load.
S100HP said:
I fitted winter tyres last Jan when I purchased my XC70. I ran them all summer and they've been absolutely fine, and I'm a bit of a tyre snob. All this talk of them being rubbish in the summer is just that. Rubbish.
Either they weren't winter tyres or you drive very very slowly. Not trying to be funny about it, but there is a huge difference in how they perform on dry summer roads. Winters will also squeal a lot in such use.300bhp/ton said:
S100HP said:
I fitted winter tyres last Jan when I purchased my XC70. I ran them all summer and they've been absolutely fine, and I'm a bit of a tyre snob. All this talk of them being rubbish in the summer is just that. Rubbish.
Either they weren't winter tyres or you drive very very slowly. Not trying to be funny about it, but there is a huge difference in how they perform on dry summer roads. Winters will also squeal a lot in such use.
t. They are sottozero, so a proper winter tyre. I drive at a normal pace and I've never had them squeal. It was over 30 degs some days too.S100HP said:
I fitted winter tyres last Jan when I purchased my XC70. I ran them all summer and they've been absolutely fine, and I'm a bit of a tyre snob. All this talk of them being rubbish in the summer is just that. Rubbish.
If you're a tyre snob why run winter tyres at 30 degrees? May as well use ditch-finders. S100HP said:
Utter horsest. They are sottozero, so a proper winter tyre. I drive at a normal pace and I've never had them squeal. It was over 30 degs some days too.
Logically if they are as good as you claim in 30 degree heat (C not F I assume). Why on Earth would tyre makers even bother with summer or all season tyres, let alone the bonkers decision by car makers to then use them.t. They are sottozero, so a proper winter tyre. I drive at a normal pace and I've never had them squeal. It was over 30 degs some days too.300bhp/ton said:
S100HP said:
Utter horsest. They are sottozero, so a proper winter tyre. I drive at a normal pace and I've never had them squeal. It was over 30 degs some days too.
Logically if they are as good as you claim in 30 degree heat (C not F I assume). Why on Earth would tyre makers even bother with summer or all season tyres, let alone the bonkers decision by car makers to then use them.t. They are sottozero, so a proper winter tyre. I drive at a normal pace and I've never had them squeal. It was over 30 degs some days too.t. Its an XC70, not exactly going to set the world on fire but it's been perfectly normal/suitable on winters all year round. Reading this thread I'm surprised I've not died over and over again.Just fitted winters to mine a week or so ago, based on temperatures at the moment it was probably a little too early.
It's the first time I've had winter tyres (bought a second set of wheels) and went for Goodyear Ultragrips. Only bought them because of the snow we'd had earlier in the year and how horrendous my commute was at the time. I've since moved to RWD so wanted some sort of confidence in the car.
Took quite a while to scrub them in to a point where they have any sort of grip, but as others have said they're not supposed to be all weather / summer performance tyres. You can definitely feel them moving more, and I've gone from a 255 rear tyre width to 225 so lateral grip is also massively reduced.
As it's cooled slightly and the weather's become wetter they have started to perform noticeably better, so overall still happy that I've got them.
It's the first time I've had winter tyres (bought a second set of wheels) and went for Goodyear Ultragrips. Only bought them because of the snow we'd had earlier in the year and how horrendous my commute was at the time. I've since moved to RWD so wanted some sort of confidence in the car.
Took quite a while to scrub them in to a point where they have any sort of grip, but as others have said they're not supposed to be all weather / summer performance tyres. You can definitely feel them moving more, and I've gone from a 255 rear tyre width to 225 so lateral grip is also massively reduced.
As it's cooled slightly and the weather's become wetter they have started to perform noticeably better, so overall still happy that I've got them.
All this talk of winter tyres performing ok out of season is just that, they are at best borderline ok. It's the same scenario with the plethora of cheap summer ditch finders available now. Some people obviously have lower expectations of what is acceptable grip
Let them carry on I say, they won't be corrected or educated and it's their choice after all, I just hope they are not the ones tail gating me.......
Let them carry on I say, they won't be corrected or educated and it's their choice after all, I just hope they are not the ones tail gating me.......
Borla said:
All this talk of winter tyres performing ok out of season is just that, they are at best borderline ok. It's the same scenario with the plethora of cheap summer ditch finders available now. Some people obviously have lower expectations of what is acceptable grip
Let them carry on I say, they won't be corrected or educated and it's their choice after all, I just hope they are not the ones tail gating me.......
Had a few people tailgating me, but they soon back off as winters don't half kick up more spray in the wet Let them carry on I say, they won't be corrected or educated and it's their choice after all, I just hope they are not the ones tail gating me.......
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