RE: First Aston Martin SUV confirmed as 'DBX'
Discussion
BFleming said:
It's what AML do. No manufacturer needs to actually disguise prototypes; the majority could mill bout in traffic in matt black with some fake plastic panels, and no-one would bat an eyelid. But they want people to look, speculate, publicise etc, so putting them in a garish wrap is means to a marketing end, and pretty much the norm nowadays.
Exactly - the whole thing is a charade to drum up interest, just like 'leaked' photos
k all in common.
IforB said:
Excellent post and nails it right on the head.
SUV's are popular because they are useful. They might be slightly dynamically compromised, but most people couldn't give a hoot about that and frankly, normal driving rarely takes you to the edge of the performance envelope anyway.
Having both a low, small stiffly suspended car with 300+bhp on tap, then I love that when I'm in the mood for driving like an idiot, but during the winter or when I actually want to do stuff like throw children in the back or bikes or tow boats, go shooting etc then the trusty old 4wd, up on stilts thing with fat tyres and epic ride comfort comes out. It might be dynamically awful, but god I love driving it. Comfy, wafty, quiet with a ride that mean your fillings are never troubled.
As a useful family car, it kicks the small fast thing squarely in the pods.
Useful and practical? Seriously? In case you have not noticed, parking spaces are not getting any bigger. And as the exterior size of these cars has increased somehow the interior space has magically vanished, it is downright embarrasing how little space a lot of these models offer. Comfort? Making up for the raised centre of gravity and weight gains, most SUV’s need to adopt a hard suspension. The only SUV that can somehow claim to be comfortable is the Merc GL and maybe the RR.SUV's are popular because they are useful. They might be slightly dynamically compromised, but most people couldn't give a hoot about that and frankly, normal driving rarely takes you to the edge of the performance envelope anyway.
Having both a low, small stiffly suspended car with 300+bhp on tap, then I love that when I'm in the mood for driving like an idiot, but during the winter or when I actually want to do stuff like throw children in the back or bikes or tow boats, go shooting etc then the trusty old 4wd, up on stilts thing with fat tyres and epic ride comfort comes out. It might be dynamically awful, but god I love driving it. Comfy, wafty, quiet with a ride that mean your fillings are never troubled.
As a useful family car, it kicks the small fast thing squarely in the pods.
If people used the practical & comfortable argument we would be flooded by minivans and other such boxy models.
People buy these as a fashion statement, and the higher driving position (which is soon to be negated when all vehicles are so high). They wnt to feel safe and look active, whilst drudging along the motorway towards the plantation worried not to be blitzed by the speed camera for enjoying the superfluous 300 hp for maximum 4 seconds when a gap in traffic opens up.
If I were a car company I would look into making cars and especially the interiors more joyful and fun. Engines are pretty much the same across the board (2 litre) , designs are very interchangeable...I would look into cars that make the daily grind a bit more humourous, comfortable (soft suspensions, armchair soft seats, double glaze windows) .a sort of escapist type lounge atmosphere.
If these brands are getting into the fashion business then they should go all in, not this wannabe attempt of SUV’s drifting on the mud. Interior colours, materials, shapes, lines, a lot of ideas to be had from the couture world.
flatso said:
IforB said:
Excellent post and nails it right on the head.
SUV's are popular because they are useful. They might be slightly dynamically compromised, but most people couldn't give a hoot about that and frankly, normal driving rarely takes you to the edge of the performance envelope anyway.
Having both a low, small stiffly suspended car with 300+bhp on tap, then I love that when I'm in the mood for driving like an idiot, but during the winter or when I actually want to do stuff like throw children in the back or bikes or tow boats, go shooting etc then the trusty old 4wd, up on stilts thing with fat tyres and epic ride comfort comes out. It might be dynamically awful, but god I love driving it. Comfy, wafty, quiet with a ride that mean your fillings are never troubled.
As a useful family car, it kicks the small fast thing squarely in the pods.
Useful and practical? Seriously? In case you have not noticed, parking spaces are not getting any bigger. And as the exterior size of these cars has increased somehow the interior space has magically vanished, it is downright embarrasing how little space a lot of these models offer. Comfort? Making up for the raised centre of gravity and weight gains, most SUV’s need to adopt a hard suspension. The only SUV that can somehow claim to be comfortable is the Merc GL and maybe the RR.SUV's are popular because they are useful. They might be slightly dynamically compromised, but most people couldn't give a hoot about that and frankly, normal driving rarely takes you to the edge of the performance envelope anyway.
Having both a low, small stiffly suspended car with 300+bhp on tap, then I love that when I'm in the mood for driving like an idiot, but during the winter or when I actually want to do stuff like throw children in the back or bikes or tow boats, go shooting etc then the trusty old 4wd, up on stilts thing with fat tyres and epic ride comfort comes out. It might be dynamically awful, but god I love driving it. Comfy, wafty, quiet with a ride that mean your fillings are never troubled.
As a useful family car, it kicks the small fast thing squarely in the pods.
If people used the practical & comfortable argument we would be flooded by minivans and other such boxy models.
People buy these as a fashion statement, and the higher driving position (which is soon to be negated when all vehicles are so high). They wnt to feel safe and look active, whilst drudging along the motorway towards the plantation worried not to be blitzed by the speed camera for enjoying the superfluous 300 hp for maximum 4 seconds when a gap in traffic opens up.
If I were a car company I would look into making cars and especially the interiors more joyful and fun. Engines are pretty much the same across the board (2 litre) , designs are very interchangeable...I would look into cars that make the daily grind a bit more humourous, comfortable (soft suspensions, armchair soft seats, double glaze windows) .a sort of escapist type lounge atmosphere.
If these brands are getting into the fashion business then they should go all in, not this wannabe attempt of SUV’s drifting on the mud. Interior colours, materials, shapes, lines, a lot of ideas to be had from the couture world.
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Tom_Spotley_When said:
At some point, people might realise that car companies exist to make money. They make money by making cars people want to buy. People want to buy SUV's - because they're hideously practical and, when you're driving at 50mph in the pissing rain on a wet Tuesday night in December, and just want to get home, it's nice to be above the spray and the rain, sat in a heated seat with a heated steering wheel without a care in the world.
Then, at weekend, you can take your car down a farm track to go fishing/take the dog for a walk/fill with all your kids gear for a day out/go shooting/horse-riding/anything you like in the great outdoors, without scraping the bottom of the car, again.
Of course, this being PH, everyone should daily drive either a Subaru/BMW/Mercedes Estate, with a manual gearbox (I just like being in control of the car - as you sit in traffic each day on your commute to work, I'm sure you're really feeling the benefits) an FM/AM stereo, textile seats, no extra fripperies and a full arctic survival kit in the boot, paid for in cash with a set of £2k winter tyres for the 2 days/year it snows in Berkshire and a job that's so important you can't not get to the office without the world ending.
Thank you.Then, at weekend, you can take your car down a farm track to go fishing/take the dog for a walk/fill with all your kids gear for a day out/go shooting/horse-riding/anything you like in the great outdoors, without scraping the bottom of the car, again.
Of course, this being PH, everyone should daily drive either a Subaru/BMW/Mercedes Estate, with a manual gearbox (I just like being in control of the car - as you sit in traffic each day on your commute to work, I'm sure you're really feeling the benefits) an FM/AM stereo, textile seats, no extra fripperies and a full arctic survival kit in the boot, paid for in cash with a set of £2k winter tyres for the 2 days/year it snows in Berkshire and a job that's so important you can't not get to the office without the world ending.
I've never read anything so accurate about PH.
Robert-nszl1 said:
Would be good to see some sort of motorsport series for all these SUVs, there are enough of them with 'sporting' pretensions. Maybe a cross between world rally and Paris Dakar, with 2 classes; one for ICE powertrains, the other for electric or hybrid. Try and keep them close to road spec. Might encourage future iterations to focus a bit on weight saving, while making those people that say they devalue the brands as they aren't sports cars think again.
That would be interesting and something I'd watch. HighwayStar said:
flatso said:
IforB said:
Excellent post and nails it right on the head.
SUV's are popular because they are useful. They might be slightly dynamically compromised, but most people couldn't give a hoot about that and frankly, normal driving rarely takes you to the edge of the performance envelope anyway.
Having both a low, small stiffly suspended car with 300+bhp on tap, then I love that when I'm in the mood for driving like an idiot, but during the winter or when I actually want to do stuff like throw children in the back or bikes or tow boats, go shooting etc then the trusty old 4wd, up on stilts thing with fat tyres and epic ride comfort comes out. It might be dynamically awful, but god I love driving it. Comfy, wafty, quiet with a ride that mean your fillings are never troubled.
As a useful family car, it kicks the small fast thing squarely in the pods.
Useful and practical? Seriously? In case you have not noticed, parking spaces are not getting any bigger. And as the exterior size of these cars has increased somehow the interior space has magically vanished, it is downright embarrasing how little space a lot of these models offer. Comfort? Making up for the raised centre of gravity and weight gains, most SUV’s need to adopt a hard suspension. The only SUV that can somehow claim to be comfortable is the Merc GL and maybe the RR.SUV's are popular because they are useful. They might be slightly dynamically compromised, but most people couldn't give a hoot about that and frankly, normal driving rarely takes you to the edge of the performance envelope anyway.
Having both a low, small stiffly suspended car with 300+bhp on tap, then I love that when I'm in the mood for driving like an idiot, but during the winter or when I actually want to do stuff like throw children in the back or bikes or tow boats, go shooting etc then the trusty old 4wd, up on stilts thing with fat tyres and epic ride comfort comes out. It might be dynamically awful, but god I love driving it. Comfy, wafty, quiet with a ride that mean your fillings are never troubled.
As a useful family car, it kicks the small fast thing squarely in the pods.
If people used the practical & comfortable argument we would be flooded by minivans and other such boxy models.
People buy these as a fashion statement, and the higher driving position (which is soon to be negated when all vehicles are so high). They wnt to feel safe and look active, whilst drudging along the motorway towards the plantation worried not to be blitzed by the speed camera for enjoying the superfluous 300 hp for maximum 4 seconds when a gap in traffic opens up.
If I were a car company I would look into making cars and especially the interiors more joyful and fun. Engines are pretty much the same across the board (2 litre) , designs are very interchangeable...I would look into cars that make the daily grind a bit more humourous, comfortable (soft suspensions, armchair soft seats, double glaze windows) .a sort of escapist type lounge atmosphere.
If these brands are getting into the fashion business then they should go all in, not this wannabe attempt of SUV’s drifting on the mud. Interior colours, materials, shapes, lines, a lot of ideas to be had from the couture world.
I actually like some of them, would never argue that they are practical or comfortable, that is all! So Who is presumptious here?
SlimJim16v said:
Robert-nszl1 said:
Would be good to see some sort of motorsport series for all these SUVs, there are enough of them with 'sporting' pretensions. Maybe a cross between world rally and Paris Dakar, with 2 classes; one for ICE powertrains, the other for electric or hybrid. Try and keep them close to road spec. Might encourage future iterations to focus a bit on weight saving, while making those people that say they devalue the brands as they aren't sports cars think again.
That would be interesting and something I'd watch. Shiv_P said:
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I don’t know why some are making out Aston are in the same boat as Bentley,Porsche, Lamborghini etc.
You could actually say Aston need this car more than the others as all of those others were profitable before the 4x4 came out. No doubt it took them to another level of success. Aston on the other hand have until quite recently been scraping 5,000 cars a year on a good year and staring bankruptcy in the face pretty regularly.
So need a car like this to be sustainable.
You could actually say Aston need this car more than the others as all of those others were profitable before the 4x4 came out. No doubt it took them to another level of success. Aston on the other hand have until quite recently been scraping 5,000 cars a year on a good year and staring bankruptcy in the face pretty regularly.
So need a car like this to be sustainable.
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