RE: Subaru announces WRX STI Diamond Edition
Discussion
BlackPrince said:
GOATever said:
I’m guessing you have no actual experience of the cars in question then. It makes me wonder why you bothered posting, TBF.
and you just know he hasn't driven the current STI, so his opinions are complete hogwash The RS is a CS400 in a different frock? NO.
Japs are mental and understate the power, not anymore. Depends who mapped it and how pissed they were? What are you even on about, nobody mentioned remapped cars or pissed Japanese people except you.
Talk sense man.
Edited by Ahbefive on Sunday 18th November 08:50
BlackPrince said:
the "peak Subaru was 1995/1999/2006" sentiment on this forum is also getting a little tiresome for me, especially for those who haven't driven a current gen STI.
You should check out the current model - certainly its not quite as feelsome as those earlier models, but it doesn't understeer nearly as much, and the chassis is much more rigid.
No chance, I’m not touching that 2.5.You should check out the current model - certainly its not quite as feelsome as those earlier models, but it doesn't understeer nearly as much, and the chassis is much more rigid.
rossub said:
BlackPrince said:
the "peak Subaru was 1995/1999/2006" sentiment on this forum is also getting a little tiresome for me, especially for those who haven't driven a current gen STI.
You should check out the current model - certainly its not quite as feelsome as those earlier models, but it doesn't understeer nearly as much, and the chassis is much more rigid.
No chance, I’m not touching that 2.5.You should check out the current model - certainly its not quite as feelsome as those earlier models, but it doesn't understeer nearly as much, and the chassis is much more rigid.
BlackPrince said:
MuscleSaloon said:
Whether you like German vehicles or not one thing is certain - they have made a big effort and have been rewarded with big success.
I wanted and tried to get into a new late model STi before they were axed. It would have taken the most minimal of persuading but nothing was made easy or simple. My nearest dealer dropped the brand franchise while I was looking to buy - which meant the next nearest one was a 100 mile round trip away - and it was uncertain whether they were going to retain the brand franchise as well. Hardly confidence inspiring. Virtually no finance options, no extended warranty availability, no service plan availability. It was like a lesson in removing all incentives from a potential buyer. All of that coupled with the fact that I knew it would always be a roll of the dice with the 2.5 meant I walked away not to look back again. Shame, but that's it, the STi is dead and buried in the UK.
Thats unfortunate that Subaru provides such a bad dealer experience. Here in North America (and specifically in Canada, where I live), my dealer experience has been terrific. Such a shame that in the land of Subaru bobble hats and Colin McRae, Subaru has basically gone the way of the dodo (to say nothing of Mitsubishi's shameful lineup) I wanted and tried to get into a new late model STi before they were axed. It would have taken the most minimal of persuading but nothing was made easy or simple. My nearest dealer dropped the brand franchise while I was looking to buy - which meant the next nearest one was a 100 mile round trip away - and it was uncertain whether they were going to retain the brand franchise as well. Hardly confidence inspiring. Virtually no finance options, no extended warranty availability, no service plan availability. It was like a lesson in removing all incentives from a potential buyer. All of that coupled with the fact that I knew it would always be a roll of the dice with the 2.5 meant I walked away not to look back again. Shame, but that's it, the STi is dead and buried in the UK.
I get the arguments around dealer support (and I think Inchcape are a pack of a
holes... I tried to get parts supply for my 22B some time ago, and pulling teeth with a blow torch would have been easier).And despite my dislike / disagreement on the current gen STI, I'd play devils advocate and ask you this; what about the possibility of getting a JDM version with a warranty from one of the importers? This at least would remove the 2.5 concern, get you a car that was a better base with more of the JDM benefits (higher revving, stronger engine internals, etc), and hopefully provide support in case things went wrong.
Would that be a possibility?
The only reason I'm asking, is because thats what I'm looking at myself, but for one of the older versions (yeah, I know, some of you guys don't want to hear that we prefer the older ones, and we have a belief that the peak version was x, y, or z; but sorry if that's what we think. Have you lined up a current STI against, say, a 90's car? Seen the sheer size difference?).
The 2.5 is fine provided one services it regularly and doesn't go crazy with modifications. I do my oil changes every 5000 km. I know other people who have had the EJ257 who have 150 000 miles on their 2008 STIs
and yes I don't know what that other bloke was talking about re: the RS being like a CS400??
The RS is a brilliant car, and if it were out during the time I purchased the STI, I would likely have gone that direction (though the big wing, and [tenuous] Colin McRae/WRC connection probably would have swung it the other way ultimately)
and yes I don't know what that other bloke was talking about re: the RS being like a CS400??
The RS is a brilliant car, and if it were out during the time I purchased the STI, I would likely have gone that direction (though the big wing, and [tenuous] Colin McRae/WRC connection probably would have swung it the other way ultimately)
I own a 2016 STI and daily it - it is hilariously good fun. Incredibly capable and in low grip conditions, i've never driven anything like it - it provides a wealth of detail about the traction level, quality of surface and precisely where the car is positioned. It is definitely raw, but for me personally, that's precisely what I like.
If I'd wanted an auto gearbox and sound proofing, I could buy something normal, like a Golf. I didn't.
I find it fascinating how many times the term 'radar adaptive cruise control' or '0-60 in xx' is mentioned in this thread. I couldn't give a rats' ass about radar cruise.
I care about how well the car executes a corner, the weight-transfer and its ability to pull me up the road when the temperature is 2 degress, it's hacking down with rain and critically - Still make me smile.
I've been in a Golf R. It was efficient and boring. Great, it did 0-60 faster than my Subaru, but it sure as hell didn't sparkle or impress. Funny the volume of rebuttles in this thread - you want to try driving one. I get a LOT of thumbs up on the road driving the car and a huge number of smiles.
I've yet to see a child up against the window staring at a Golf R. I see a lot of them staring at my STI.
With regards to the 'Diamond Edition' - I see it's a cat back, a remap, a trim kit painted acid yellow and some spacers & badges. All of which can be obtained from the aftermarket for a reasonable price.
These cars have incredible chassis rigidity and offer masses of information about the drive to the driver - that, is the purpose of these cars.
If I'd wanted an auto gearbox and sound proofing, I could buy something normal, like a Golf. I didn't.
I find it fascinating how many times the term 'radar adaptive cruise control' or '0-60 in xx' is mentioned in this thread. I couldn't give a rats' ass about radar cruise.
I care about how well the car executes a corner, the weight-transfer and its ability to pull me up the road when the temperature is 2 degress, it's hacking down with rain and critically - Still make me smile.
I've been in a Golf R. It was efficient and boring. Great, it did 0-60 faster than my Subaru, but it sure as hell didn't sparkle or impress. Funny the volume of rebuttles in this thread - you want to try driving one. I get a LOT of thumbs up on the road driving the car and a huge number of smiles.
I've yet to see a child up against the window staring at a Golf R. I see a lot of them staring at my STI.
With regards to the 'Diamond Edition' - I see it's a cat back, a remap, a trim kit painted acid yellow and some spacers & badges. All of which can be obtained from the aftermarket for a reasonable price.
These cars have incredible chassis rigidity and offer masses of information about the drive to the driver - that, is the purpose of these cars.
Not really interested in 0-60 times or horsepower, but I do see the current cars as markedly different, and for me, significantly less appealing than the GC8. 1230kg, 2500mm wheelbase plays 1530kg and 2650mm. Yep the newer car would be far safer, provably faster, but 300kg has to change the sensations generated at the wheel. The darty-ness, pervading sense of lightness and petite dimensions of the GC8 combined with a daggy low-rent Corolla interior was rather funny but it was never trying to be an Audi or Benz. It was a small, light, basic point to point missile. Guess the market has changed and customers are demanding more. I feel like a GT86 has more in common with a GC8 WRX than a current car. At least Subaru are still making them. I just don't see how they can compete with the uber hatch Euros now though. Evo was garrotted, and was far from its original spirit in X form too. Fast Euros are 'so hot right now' downunder. Ahh the Group A days...
BlackPrince said:
The 2.5 is fine provided one services it regularly and doesn't go crazy with modifications. I do my oil changes every 5000 km. I know other people who have had the EJ257 who have 150 000 miles on their 2008 STIs
and yes I don't know what that other bloke was talking about re: the RS being like a CS400??
The RS is a brilliant car, and if it were out during the time I purchased the STI, I would likely have gone that direction (though the big wing, and [tenuous] Colin McRae/WRC connection probably would have swung it the other way ultimately)
My 2012 STI saloon did it's headgaskets at the turn of the year. Never modded, rarely taken past 5k revs to be honest. It did have 120k on but still... It shouldn't have happened. The 2.5 drives brilliantly but it's an inherently flawed design. and yes I don't know what that other bloke was talking about re: the RS being like a CS400??
The RS is a brilliant car, and if it were out during the time I purchased the STI, I would likely have gone that direction (though the big wing, and [tenuous] Colin McRae/WRC connection probably would have swung it the other way ultimately)
I had decided that this would be my last Subaru but as prices fall on the latest ones I have to admit that I will be very tempted when I return from working in Afghanistan in 2020.
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