RE: Ford Escort RS1600i: Spotted
Discussion
stevesingo said:
Thing is, no one is asking £30k for one of these because they have historical significance, or they are good to drive. They were a bad car in ‘85 with significantly better options available.
So, what makes this worth £30k in comparison to a Golf, 205 etc?
Do cars have to be class-leading or good to drive to sell for lots of money?So, what makes this worth £30k in comparison to a Golf, 205 etc?
Someone paid $286,000 dollars for a 130bhp 911 Sportomatic recently......and they were pretty awful to drive
coppice said:
Saabaholic said:
Glad im not the only one. It was the most harsh engine ever produced.
It really wasn't , you know. I have no idea what engine deserves that accolade but of ones I've experienced I'd nominate most 60 s Vauxhall engines, the Humber Hawk 4 cylinder , Ford 1172 sidevalve 4 , 80s Nissan Bluebird 1.8 , the BMC O series was bad and - by far the most shockingly awful engine I have ever experienced - the Austin Cambridge B series diesel , Awful , awful noise and vibration and 0-60 in about 45 seconds ISTR The Ford engine was a bit gravelly , not a patch on an Alfa Twin Cam or Golf engine of course , but in a bluecollar Essex boy sort of way it was fine .
el romeral said:
I remember one of the many differences over the XR3i was that the RS had two red lights in one of the dials. They remained lit when you pressed the accelerator but went out when you took your foot off. Was lead to believe they were related to the fuel computer? Anyone give a better explanation of what they were for?
If I recall it was a pointless gimmick, just the injectors kicking in/out.Oh and if you think 30k is expensive...
http://www.eastlancashireclassics.com/vehicle.php?...
It has been discounted by 15k though!
Edited by Flipatron on Friday 23 November 10:38
Rsdop said:
I’m not saying the CVH was a great engine by any stretch but it wasn’t as bad as it’s made out. So many were neglected and suffered camshaft and valve guide wear but kept running. I had a few back in the day and when rebuilt with a decent cam and looked after it was actually quite a smooth engine. Didn’t particularly like to rev much past 6500 but there were a lot worse engines about!
It was sort of adequate and had more vim than the Crossflow it replaced. But compared to the Vauxhall Astra/Cavalier OHC and 1600 VW/Audi units it was very average. Rsdop said:
coppice said:
Saabaholic said:
Glad im not the only one. It was the most harsh engine ever produced.
It really wasn't , you know. I have no idea what engine deserves that accolade but of ones I've experienced I'd nominate most 60 s Vauxhall engines, the Humber Hawk 4 cylinder , Ford 1172 sidevalve 4 , 80s Nissan Bluebird 1.8 , the BMC O series was bad and - by far the most shockingly awful engine I have ever experienced - the Austin Cambridge B series diesel , Awful , awful noise and vibration and 0-60 in about 45 seconds ISTR The Ford engine was a bit gravelly , not a patch on an Alfa Twin Cam or Golf engine of course , but in a bluecollar Essex boy sort of way it was fine .
I still hate its asthmatic roughness but it was when set up nicely a decent motor, also worth noting you can tune the crap out of them and they seem to take it very well
Still hate it though lol
J4CKO said:
Absolutely true, but plenty get bought fully accepting the fact they will lose value, this RS1600i has a better chance of retaining value, caveat that with as long as you buy it right, i.e. you dont pay massively over the odds, but not sure where the sweet spot is for these, 30k seems a lot more than I would have anticipated and I reckon that most change hands between 12 and 20 grand in reality, bit of speculation going on.
Dealers get something like this and always add a bit on, then a bit more, and a bit more just to ensure they dont let it go without having realised the absolute most for it, fair dos, its business but I suspect for a serious buyer, there may be a deal to be done, depends how good it is and how much interest.
If I say it's Friday will you argue it's Saturday in Tonga? I see your post count and wonder if perhaps you should get out more....Dealers get something like this and always add a bit on, then a bit more, and a bit more just to ensure they dont let it go without having realised the absolute most for it, fair dos, its business but I suspect for a serious buyer, there may be a deal to be done, depends how good it is and how much interest.
I loved mine when I was 19. The best seats I've ever sat in and the steering wheel was fab too. It was a pretty harsh ride from what I remember but it handled OK. Am I remembering correctly that if you hit the rev limiter it didn't really limit the revs to 6500 or whatever but cut the engine suddenly?
I couldn't give mine away in about 1996 when I sold it.
I couldn't give mine away in about 1996 when I sold it.
blade7 said:
J4CKO said:
Absolutely true, but plenty get bought fully accepting the fact they will lose value, this RS1600i has a better chance of retaining value, caveat that with as long as you buy it right, i.e. you dont pay massively over the odds, but not sure where the sweet spot is for these, 30k seems a lot more than I would have anticipated and I reckon that most change hands between 12 and 20 grand in reality, bit of speculation going on.
Dealers get something like this and always add a bit on, then a bit more, and a bit more just to ensure they dont let it go without having realised the absolute most for it, fair dos, its business but I suspect for a serious buyer, there may be a deal to be done, depends how good it is and how much interest.
If I say it's Friday will you argue it's Saturday in Tonga? I see your post count and wonder if perhaps you should get out more....Dealers get something like this and always add a bit on, then a bit more, and a bit more just to ensure they dont let it go without having realised the absolute most for it, fair dos, its business but I suspect for a serious buyer, there may be a deal to be done, depends how good it is and how much interest.
You seemed to have misread what I said so I just clarified.
SS2. said:
stevesingo said:
So, what makes this worth £30k in comparison to a Golf, 205 etc?
The RS looks a bargain compared to this -
https://m.autoscout24.ch/de/d/vw-golf-limousine-19...
J4CKO said:
You are probably right, its the joys of sitting at a computer quite a lot, but I wasnt arguing was I ?
You seemed to have misread what I said so I just clarified.
Maybe I have misunderstood, to me it seemed you were seeking to justify some of the prices, whilst admitting you wouldn't pay them yourself. You seemed to have misread what I said so I just clarified.
s m said:
SS2. said:
stevesingo said:
So, what makes this worth £30k in comparison to a Golf, 205 etc?
The RS looks a bargain compared to this -https://m.autoscout24.ch/de/d/vw-golf-limousine-19...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
blade7 said:
J4CKO said:
You are probably right, its the joys of sitting at a computer quite a lot, but I wasnt arguing was I ?
You seemed to have misread what I said so I just clarified.
Maybe I have misunderstood, to me it seemed you were seeking to justify some of the prices, whilst admitting you wouldn't pay them yourself. You seemed to have misread what I said so I just clarified.
s m said:
s m said:
SS2. said:
stevesingo said:
So, what makes this worth £30k in comparison to a Golf, 205 etc?
The RS looks a bargain compared to this -https://m.autoscout24.ch/de/d/vw-golf-limousine-19...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
My point was, at least a Golf GTi and E30 M3 were good (best in class) in their day. The RS1600i was a turd that only has rarity on it's side but, on that measure a Renault VelSatis would be worth £100k.
stevesingo said:
s m said:
s m said:
SS2. said:
stevesingo said:
So, what makes this worth £30k in comparison to a Golf, 205 etc?
The RS looks a bargain compared to this -https://m.autoscout24.ch/de/d/vw-golf-limousine-19...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
My point was, at least a Golf GTi and E30 M3 were good (best in class) in their day. The RS1600i was a turd that only has rarity on it's side but, on that measure a Renault VelSatis would be worth £100k.
I recall them both being beaten in group tests by other stuff when they were new
Homologation specials will always command a certain value regardless of success - and dealers will capitalise on marque fans whenever they can as they’re there to make money
As ever, cheaper examples of all 3 cars exist
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