RE: Audi RS2 vs. SEAT Leon ST Cupra Carbon Edition
Discussion
MDMA . said:
Pshtnheedz said:
blade7 said:
The RS2 didn't come with 968 CS wheels fitted. I looked for an RS2 a few years ago, and was put off by the questionable history of the few cars on the open market. The good ones tended to sell quickly on the Audi RS forums.
Yes they did. 17" in silver. Have my original brochure still. It was called Avant RS2 as opposed to RS2 Avant and the blue was called RS Blue not Nogaro although they may be the same colour in reality. I got a Nogaro RS4 after before a Sprint Blue RS6plus. All could fit in my garage, but the Cupra Carbon is a tighter squeeze.blade7 said:
MDMA . said:
Pshtnheedz said:
blade7 said:
The RS2 didn't come with 968 CS wheels fitted. I looked for an RS2 a few years ago, and was put off by the questionable history of the few cars on the open market. The good ones tended to sell quickly on the Audi RS forums.
Yes they did. 17" in silver. Have my original brochure still. It was called Avant RS2 as opposed to RS2 Avant and the blue was called RS Blue not Nogaro although they may be the same colour in reality. I got a Nogaro RS4 after before a Sprint Blue RS6plus. All could fit in my garage, but the Cupra Carbon is a tighter squeeze.
maybe the air was denser in 1996.
Jex said:
I offer a standard PHer refrain - I thought about buying an RS2 when they were much cheaper and didn't take the plunge (we had a 2 litre 80). The combination of practicality, performance and understatedness (to the uninitiated anyway) was very tempting,
I did take the plunge and now regret not buying a 968CS for the same money at the time. That said I loved my RS2, it was quite honestly pretty crap as a driver's car as you'd expect with the poor weight distribution. I also found Quattro wasn't quite the panacea that people make out it was. My car had a MTM chip so was running 330bhp or so and a bit more torque. It had traction issues even given the premium summer and winter rubber I ran it with.
They are a great car but when I went 30 seconds faster round the Nordschleife in a MKV DSG Golf GTi I realised that
1. I'm not a great driver
2. Technology moves on
edit to add: I paid 9K for mine , spent a few thousand on it and then p/x it for 7K or so. The worst loss I've made on a car!
Worst problem was the cladding (whatever you want to call it, skirts or whatever) that sit on the slab sides. The mount for this would rot for fun and however hard you tried they always seemed to be trying to escape from the bodywork.
There was a Swiss based website that was the last word in support and parts for the RS2 I guess it doesn't exist any more as I can't find it on google.
Edited by Motorrad on Saturday 24th November 16:18
sledge68 said:
Legacy Twin scroll
Let me know where I can get a box fresh one with all the toys, manufacturer warranty and 40mpg potential etc and i'll consider it!KPB1973 said:
I have a 4drive 300ST similar to this. Brilliant car - sure it has its flaws (it is a touch aloof, the gearbox is too aggressive...
It's one of those cars that do so many things well that I struggle to know what i'd change it for.
It's one of those cars that do so many things well that I struggle to know what i'd change it for.
Motorrad said:
I did take the plunge and now regret not buying a 968CS for the same money at the time.
That said I loved my RS2, it was quite honestly pretty crap as a driver's car as you'd expect with the poor weight distribution. I also found Quattro wasn't quite the panacea that people make out it was. My car had a MTM chip so was running 330bhp or so and a bit more torque. It had traction issues even given the premium summer and winter rubber I ran it with.
They are a great car but when I went 30 seconds faster round the Nordschleife in a MKV DSG Golf GTi I realised that
1. I'm not a great driver
2. Technology moves on
edit to add: I paid 9K for mine , spent a few thousand on it and then p/x it for 7K or so. The worst loss I've made on a car!
Worst problem was the cladding (whatever you want to call it, skirts or whatever) that sit on the slab sides. The mount for this would rot for fun and however hard you tried they always seemed to be trying to escape from the bodywork.
There was a Swiss based website that was the last word in support and parts for the RS2 I guess it doesn't exist any more as I can't find it on google.
Same here. Had fun with it at the time. Bought for 15k and sold for 15k so was cheap motoring. Golf I have now is every bit as quick, if not quicker and handles better. I really wouldn't pay what they are asking for them now. I thought 15k was about the max at the time and I wouldn't pay more than that now tbh. That said I loved my RS2, it was quite honestly pretty crap as a driver's car as you'd expect with the poor weight distribution. I also found Quattro wasn't quite the panacea that people make out it was. My car had a MTM chip so was running 330bhp or so and a bit more torque. It had traction issues even given the premium summer and winter rubber I ran it with.
They are a great car but when I went 30 seconds faster round the Nordschleife in a MKV DSG Golf GTi I realised that
1. I'm not a great driver
2. Technology moves on
edit to add: I paid 9K for mine , spent a few thousand on it and then p/x it for 7K or so. The worst loss I've made on a car!
Worst problem was the cladding (whatever you want to call it, skirts or whatever) that sit on the slab sides. The mount for this would rot for fun and however hard you tried they always seemed to be trying to escape from the bodywork.
There was a Swiss based website that was the last word in support and parts for the RS2 I guess it doesn't exist any more as I can't find it on google.
Edited by Motorrad on Saturday 24th November 16:18
Still lots of parts available direct from Audi -
http://trshop.audi.de/konakart/SelectCat.do?catId=...
Motorrad said:
Jex said:
I offer a standard PHer refrain - I thought about buying an RS2 when they were much cheaper and didn't take the plunge (we had a 2 litre 80). The combination of practicality, performance and understatedness (to the uninitiated anyway) was very tempting,
I did take the plunge and now regret not buying a 968CS for the same money at the time. That said I loved my RS2, it was quite honestly pretty crap as a driver's car as you'd expect with the poor weight distribution. I also found Quattro wasn't quite the panacea that people make out it was. My car had a MTM chip so was running 330bhp or so and a bit more torque. It had traction issues even given the premium summer and winter rubber I ran it with.
They are a great car but when I went 30 seconds faster round the Nordschleife in a MKV DSG Golf GTi I realised that
1. I'm not a great driver
2. Technology moves on
Worst problem was the cladding (whatever you want to call it, skirts or whatever) that sit on the slab sides. The mount for this would rot for fun and however hard you tried they always seemed to be trying to escape from the bodywork.
There was a Swiss based website that was the last word in support and parts for the RS2 I guess it doesn't exist any more as I can't find it on google.
ChezzaV8 said:
The thing which really shows here is how BIG modern cars are. In 1994, the RS2 was a fairly big car, certianly larger than the golf and gold estate of the time. The seat just looks massive in comparison, taller, wider, longer although nothing in it weight wise. I wish manufacturers would start building cars that don't look so bloated and are a little more delicate, the same goes for interiors as well.
Hear, Hear!MDMA . said:
They didn't. The RS2 had Cup "style" wheels. Centre bore for the Audi was 73.1mm whereas all Porsche Cups were 71.6mm. You can fit the RS2 wheel to a Porsche with a spigot ring but not the other way round. It just won't fit over the hub centre.
Ah OK - not literally then. Thought you meant a different design. But I imagine they came from the same manufacturer. I had some "RS4 style" wheels on my B7 Audi but they weren't called that (7 double spoke frm memory) except when including spurious replicas.The Article said:
It says much about the rate of progress in fast cars that the segment created by the Audi RS2, appears in mortal danger.
Is it? Apart from that Seat, we still have the S/RS4/6 avant, various AMGs, BMW 340 and 540 tourings, the Golf R, estate, the Octavia VRS and Superb 272, Volvo's performance hybrids and any others I forgot. Consensus among the pundits seems to be that new Focus ST will get an estate version, and Autocar reckons there's a performance hybrid of the Pug 508 SW on the way too.Yeah, perhaps they don't sell as well as they used to, but "mortal danger" seems to be overegging it a bit! "Near threatened" might be closer to the truth.
Jex said:
Motorrad said:
Jex said:
I offer a standard PHer refrain - I thought about buying an RS2 when they were much cheaper and didn't take the plunge (we had a 2 litre 80). The combination of practicality, performance and understatedness (to the uninitiated anyway) was very tempting,
I did take the plunge and now regret not buying a 968CS for the same money at the time. That said I loved my RS2, it was quite honestly pretty crap as a driver's car as you'd expect with the poor weight distribution. I also found Quattro wasn't quite the panacea that people make out it was. My car had a MTM chip so was running 330bhp or so and a bit more torque. It had traction issues even given the premium summer and winter rubber I ran it with.
They are a great car but when I went 30 seconds faster round the Nordschleife in a MKV DSG Golf GTi I realised that
1. I'm not a great driver
2. Technology moves on
Worst problem was the cladding (whatever you want to call it, skirts or whatever) that sit on the slab sides. The mount for this would rot for fun and however hard you tried they always seemed to be trying to escape from the bodywork.
There was a Swiss based website that was the last word in support and parts for the RS2 I guess it doesn't exist any more as I can't find it on google.
Knew it was something fast as were trying to catch him up and over Dinas Mawddwy and could barely close on it - had a great drive back up the A458 in convoy to the big downhills into Welshpool after we tagged onto him at the Mallwyd junction
KPB1973 said:
I have a 4drive 300ST similar to this. Brilliant car - sure it has its flaws (it is a touch aloof, the gearbox is too aggressive in auto mode in anything other than Comfort, and the optional bucket seats are too high) but it is very quick, incredibly sure-footed and well appointed.
I have a Mk 7.5 GTI on the same platform. It certainly is a good car, but it has a few more flaws, most of which are applicable to many new cars:1. Little to no inolvment from the DSG gearbox
2. Electric steering has little feel
3. Over servoed brakes
Imo we seem to be getting into an odd situation where new cars are getting simultaneously more competent but also less engaging as true drivers cars.
I ran one a few years back after having an S2 coupe. My one was brilliant black with a set of MTM wheels for summer and the original ones for winter. It was one of my dream cars since seeing one in Polar Silver in Edinburgh.
They may have not been the fastest car or the most accomplished but it was one car I always enjoyed driving and looking back at when I had parked it up. Things have moved on but also some of the character on cars has also been lost.
I had the same problem as the chap above that said the side parts were falling off. They were a pain.
They may have not been the fastest car or the most accomplished but it was one car I always enjoyed driving and looking back at when I had parked it up. Things have moved on but also some of the character on cars has also been lost.
I had the same problem as the chap above that said the side parts were falling off. They were a pain.
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