RE: Startup reveals 765hp electric pick-up
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B17NNS said:
rb_89 said:
Funnily enough I was reading my CAR magazine from a couple of months ago last night, had an interesting piece on Rivian.
Interesting interview/walk round/review here by Johnny at Fully Charged for those that may have missed it. A very well thought out piece of design.They're certainly making all the right noises and it looks very impressive in terms of attention to detail. If they can get anywhere near the prices mentioned in that video they'll sell very well, especially in the states and China. The platform looks rather wide to ever be hugely popular in the UK.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 25th April 18:57
lyonspride said:
DonkeyApple said:
lyonspride said:
DonkeyApple said:
J4CKO said:
Its still early days, range will increase and charging times decrease, this always happens with tech. The internet ran on 28k modems 25 years ago and now you can stream 4k films, mobile phones appeared in the nineties for a lot of folk as a clunky thing that made calls, now you have a massively powerful computer in your pocket that also happens to make calls.
Even a lot of the Naysayers will drop their IC engined cars the minute the range is 400 miles, can be charged in 10 minutes and is affordable, and I am fairly sure it will happen, so much development and money hinging on it, the world seems to have agreed that the EV is part of the way forward.
I think that 99.99% of current naysayers will change tune the exact moment that there is an EV that replaces their big standard utility box for a lower monthly. We’ve got the range sweet spot it’s all about getting the product to have an overtly lower monthly over the particular ICE it is targeting. Even a lot of the Naysayers will drop their IC engined cars the minute the range is 400 miles, can be charged in 10 minutes and is affordable, and I am fairly sure it will happen, so much development and money hinging on it, the world seems to have agreed that the EV is part of the way forward.
History will look back upon EVs and remember them as "enviro" virtue signalling for the middle and pretend middle classes.
The one thing that all the modern diesel cars has shown even the most blind is that consumers can be steered in any direction that you want with just the waving of a chocolate biscuit in front of their fat, greedy, vacant consumer faces.
It's when you look at these practical obstructions, you realise that EV is going to fall flat on it's face UNLESS somebody addresses the issue of on road parking, kerbside chargers is all very well, but how many road parkers get to park outside their own home?
This might lead to charging meters (i'm sure certain govt ministers already have shares in those sorts of companies), but that will undoubtedly cost more per KWH, which would probably then negate any sort of savings from using an EV, not to mention vandalism and the safety issues that could arise if one was crashed into.
EV has not been thought out properly, and now it's being pushed onto the general public.
98elise said:
lyonspride said:
DonkeyApple said:
lyonspride said:
DonkeyApple said:
J4CKO said:
Its still early days, range will increase and charging times decrease, this always happens with tech. The internet ran on 28k modems 25 years ago and now you can stream 4k films, mobile phones appeared in the nineties for a lot of folk as a clunky thing that made calls, now you have a massively powerful computer in your pocket that also happens to make calls.
Even a lot of the Naysayers will drop their IC engined cars the minute the range is 400 miles, can be charged in 10 minutes and is affordable, and I am fairly sure it will happen, so much development and money hinging on it, the world seems to have agreed that the EV is part of the way forward.
I think that 99.99% of current naysayers will change tune the exact moment that there is an EV that replaces their big standard utility box for a lower monthly. We’ve got the range sweet spot it’s all about getting the product to have an overtly lower monthly over the particular ICE it is targeting. Even a lot of the Naysayers will drop their IC engined cars the minute the range is 400 miles, can be charged in 10 minutes and is affordable, and I am fairly sure it will happen, so much development and money hinging on it, the world seems to have agreed that the EV is part of the way forward.
History will look back upon EVs and remember them as "enviro" virtue signalling for the middle and pretend middle classes.
The one thing that all the modern diesel cars has shown even the most blind is that consumers can be steered in any direction that you want with just the waving of a chocolate biscuit in front of their fat, greedy, vacant consumer faces.
It's when you look at these practical obstructions, you realise that EV is going to fall flat on it's face UNLESS somebody addresses the issue of on road parking, kerbside chargers is all very well, but how many road parkers get to park outside their own home?
This might lead to charging meters (i'm sure certain govt ministers already have shares in those sorts of companies), but that will undoubtedly cost more per KWH, which would probably then negate any sort of savings from using an EV, not to mention vandalism and the safety issues that could arise if one was crashed into.
EV has not been thought out properly, and now it's being pushed onto the general public.
2008 when they were promoting diesel cars to revive the UK automotive industry, I didn't swallow the BS, I kept buying petrol and look what's happened, EVs will be the same, not because it's a BS technology, but because it's inaccessible and impractical for more than half the country.
It's all very well for those promoting EVs, living in large homes, in private roads, with off road parking, in a fantasy world, never having to mix with the "great unwashed" the "proletariat", but the rest of the country aren't so privileged.
A Scotsman said:
Be even better when they build a fuel cell version and you can refuel it as fast a conventional ICE vehicle.
It’s an EV. That’s just not going to happen. How often do people realistically drive more than 400 miles without a break? Twenty minute stop for a sandwich and a coffee and you’re on your way again with 200 more miles of range. Charge times will continue to reduce. B17NNS said:
A Scotsman said:
Be even better when they build a fuel cell version and you can refuel it as fast a conventional ICE vehicle.
It’s an EV. That’s just not going to happen. How often do people realistically drive more than 400 miles without a break? Twenty minute stop for a sandwich and a coffee and you’re on your way again with 200 more miles of range. Charge times will continue to reduce. It’s America. Someone will develop a fuel bowser and generator in a trailer and brand it up as a Range Extender.
k around with hydrogen, its a dead end and has been for years.B17NNS said:
It’s an EV. That’s just not going to happen. How often do people realistically drive more than 400 miles without a break? Twenty minute stop for a sandwich and a coffee and you’re on your way again with 200 more miles of range. Charge times will continue to reduce.
You can find data for average usage, even in the US the average car exceeds 200 miles on only ~1% of the days of is used.The Model 3 can already add 200 miles of charge in less than 15 minutes.
Charging at home is much easier than going out to pump noxious substances at a garage. In the UK around 2/5ths of houses have a drive anyway.
I'd suggest that those properties have more than 2/5ths of the cars, street or workplace charging can handle the rest, the actual cost per car served is trivial.
Solitude said:
Hollywood will buy in to it for sure. The hills are littered with Prius of the rich and tasteless doing they're bit for the environment .
That is the general idea and how the EV model works at this stage. It’s an expensive gadget for the excess consumer. But that is phase 1 and the objective of phase 1 is to allow us to get to phase 2 which is where just plain ordinary folk are happily swapping their ICE for an EV that costs less and is actually a bit better for the environment, certainly locally. Amazon has ordered 100,000 Rivian electric delivery vans.
https://www.rivianforums.com/threads/amazon-has-or...
https://www.rivianforums.com/threads/amazon-has-or...
Well that looks ‘special’. Van drivers are going to have to wear clean pants now!
This is the EV that businesses need of we are going to maintain the popular trend of having vast numbers of pointless items delivered to urban households.
We can yet do small runabout EVs for the urban masses but we can certainly do EV vans. It’ll be very interesting to see what other companies leap at this other than investors.
Mind you, arming white van drivers with EV acceleration is going to be a new social development!
This is the EV that businesses need of we are going to maintain the popular trend of having vast numbers of pointless items delivered to urban households.
We can yet do small runabout EVs for the urban masses but we can certainly do EV vans. It’ll be very interesting to see what other companies leap at this other than investors.
Mind you, arming white van drivers with EV acceleration is going to be a new social development!
DonkeyApple said:
arming white van drivers with EV acceleration is going to be a new social development! involve a lot of extra bubblewrap
ftfy Amazon are suggesting 'amazon days' when we order stuff now where you get everything delivered on just one day of the week instead of NOWIWANTITNOW - that's the future I reckon.
Still want a Rivian 4x4!
andy43 said:
ftfy
Amazon are suggesting 'amazon days' when we order stuff now where you get everything delivered on just one day of the week instead of NOWIWANTITNOW - that's the future I reckon.
Still want a Rivian 4x4!
Absolutely. The ongoing explosion of vans and van journeys in the urban environment is quite impressive and a large part of that is the fault of Amazon and the like offering next day delivery on single items. There is a backlash building to this huge and unnecessary consumer demand/expectation. Amazon are suggesting 'amazon days' when we order stuff now where you get everything delivered on just one day of the week instead of NOWIWANTITNOW - that's the future I reckon.
Still want a Rivian 4x4!
The likes of Amazon have tried collection boxes but it’s a flawed system both due to the size of boxes and the fact that as consumers we are lazy and just want stuff delivered.
To head off this backlash firms like Amazon must move to local electric delivery fleets but also you can easily foresee local governments wanting to place taxation on next day deliveries so as to incentivise consumers to select a day of the week to have all of that week’s online purchases delivered. It would be smarter for Amazon to implement such a change before legislators do.
Rivian is coming over as being very corporately and professionally intelligent while other EV manufacturers are running the risk of being seen as vendors of just more non essential toys and gadgets for the affluent excess consumer, ergo actually a part of the whole environmental problem and not a part of the solution.
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