RE: Startup reveals 765hp electric pick-up
Discussion
andyalan10 said:
"While any new car maker can come along with such claims, the difference with Rivian is that the R1T is fully designed, engineered and production-ready"
Is it just me that thinks it is currently 2018, not "late 2020"?
But having said that I do think it's very interesting to see someone addressing the biggest US market sector. It'd be nice to know how production ready it is - safety tested and certified for instance. And what the body is made of, and what numbers they envisage building, and who the suppliers are, and where they are going to sell and service it. All are way more relevant than 0-60 and bhp figures.
Andy
"Production ready" is a bold statement , but it does tend to take 18 months to 2 years from a "fully" engineered car to being ready for production. Tooling leadtime on the plastic parts alone is 20-25 weeks, plus then you have several loops of tuning and then at least three stages of pre-production builds to fit in. It's not an overnight process.Is it just me that thinks it is currently 2018, not "late 2020"?
But having said that I do think it's very interesting to see someone addressing the biggest US market sector. It'd be nice to know how production ready it is - safety tested and certified for instance. And what the body is made of, and what numbers they envisage building, and who the suppliers are, and where they are going to sell and service it. All are way more relevant than 0-60 and bhp figures.
Andy
Surely if this is going to be a meaningful workhorse, then half as much power but 50% more range at a greater load carrying capability would be more interesting than a 0-60 mph time?
If (big if) I wanted a quick EV then Tesla and BMW have options which will get me there in comfort and seat four passengers but won't take half a yard of hardcore in the back - horses for courses? I just think this is being marketed wrongly with the emphasis on performance, not range or load lugging abilities.
I'll make the change to an EV for everyday driving when it's as easy as owning an ICE vehicle, with a charging infrastructure, range and top-up time that is comparable.
If (big if) I wanted a quick EV then Tesla and BMW have options which will get me there in comfort and seat four passengers but won't take half a yard of hardcore in the back - horses for courses? I just think this is being marketed wrongly with the emphasis on performance, not range or load lugging abilities.
I'll make the change to an EV for everyday driving when it's as easy as owning an ICE vehicle, with a charging infrastructure, range and top-up time that is comparable.
Baron von Teuchter said:
If they can get that payload up to 1000kg and lease them for say £700/month i'll take one as my next company truck...
Will this be bound by the same 3.5 tonne weight limitations as we would have here in the UK? If so it would suggest that is comes in at 2.7 tonnes unladen which given the size and the use of batteries doesn't seem unrealistic. To cut 200kg from the weight would either involve the implementation of more expensive materials or a reduction in the battery size (or both) which could hurt it's desirability as a pakage you would have thought?fblm said:
I've 2 observations; everyone I know with a pickup uses it to tow and launch boats; what happens if you dunk an EV power train in 2ft of salt water? Secondly IMO the ''typical'' pickup truck owner is just about the last person on earth who is going to switch to electric, it's a big old market though I guess.
I work in Aberdeen which is full of self employed contractors trying to cut their taxes. Look round the carparks of the oil offices and they are rammed with pickups and kombi vans.But I take your point, I dont see many farmers being in a rush to switch. Mind you, they've all made the jump from Land Rovers to Hilux and L200's in the last ten years so maybe they can change!. Especially since so many of them have wind turbines on their farms up here now.
gigglebug said:
Baron von Teuchter said:
If they can get that payload up to 1000kg and lease them for say £700/month i'll take one as my next company truck...
Will this be bound by the same 3.5 tonne weight limitations as we would have here in the UK? If so it would suggest that is comes in at 2.7 tonnes unladen which given the size and the use of batteries doesn't seem unrealistic. To cut 200kg from the weight would either involve the implementation of more expensive materials or a reduction in the battery size (or both) which could hurt it's desirability as a pakage you would have thought?robsprocket said:
If there's one thing your typical redneck truck owner has always hated it's the gas guzzling V8.
Finally their suffering is over.
They must have done some market research to find out if there was some form of commercial demand. I wonder how many times the poor chap with the clipboard got punched in the face trying to collect that data!Finally their suffering is over.
Good looking truck but the storage compartment for the mother in law looks a bit tight. Maybe that’s why it has a 5000 lb tow weight?
DonkeyApple said:
robsprocket said:
If there's one thing your typical redneck truck owner has always hated it's the gas guzzling V8.
Finally their suffering is over.
They must have done some market research to find out if there was some form of commercial demand. I wonder how many times the poor chap with the clipboard got punched in the face trying to collect that data!Finally their suffering is over.
Good looking truck but the storage compartment for the mother in law looks a bit tight. Maybe that’s why it has a 5000 lb tow weight?
That's some hefty Mother-in-LawBaron von Teuchter said:
gigglebug said:
Baron von Teuchter said:
If they can get that payload up to 1000kg and lease them for say £700/month i'll take one as my next company truck...
Will this be bound by the same 3.5 tonne weight limitations as we would have here in the UK? If so it would suggest that is comes in at 2.7 tonnes unladen which given the size and the use of batteries doesn't seem unrealistic. To cut 200kg from the weight would either involve the implementation of more expensive materials or a reduction in the battery size (or both) which could hurt it's desirability as a pakage you would have thought?300bhp/ton said:
Baron von Teuchter said:
gigglebug said:
Baron von Teuchter said:
If they can get that payload up to 1000kg and lease them for say £700/month i'll take one as my next company truck...
Will this be bound by the same 3.5 tonne weight limitations as we would have here in the UK? If so it would suggest that is comes in at 2.7 tonnes unladen which given the size and the use of batteries doesn't seem unrealistic. To cut 200kg from the weight would either involve the implementation of more expensive materials or a reduction in the battery size (or both) which could hurt it's desirability as a pakage you would have thought?Nanook said:
fblm said:
I've 2 observations; everyone I know with a pickup uses it to tow and launch boats; what happens if you dunk an EV power train in 2ft of salt water? Secondly IMO the ''typical'' pickup truck owner is just about the last person on earth who is going to switch to electric, it's a big old market though I guess.
From the article:"There's also a wading depth of up to one metre"
Baron von Teuchter said:
If you passed your test prior to 1/1/97 you'd have 7500kg
Was the case for me. The first time I drove a lorry was because the driver didn't turn up for work (I was very young and a drivers mate). Pretty stupid when you think about it. I can remember s
tting a brick at the first roundabout because I tried to brake at the same point as I would have in a car!Baron von Teuchter said:
DonkeyApple said:
robsprocket said:
If there's one thing your typical redneck truck owner has always hated it's the gas guzzling V8.
Finally their suffering is over.
They must have done some market research to find out if there was some form of commercial demand. I wonder how many times the poor chap with the clipboard got punched in the face trying to collect that data!Finally their suffering is over.
Good looking truck but the storage compartment for the mother in law looks a bit tight. Maybe that’s why it has a 5000 lb tow weight?
That's some hefty Mother-in-LawThats interesting, looks very versatile, like a normal pickup but more so.
The performance is staggering, thats Supercar acceleration, in terms of straight line thrust, EV's seem to be able to just do it without massive compromises, I know its not the be all and end all but it sort of makes it feel a bit pointless agonizing over power and acceleration figures. Does anyone remember Harry Enfields camp jockeys riding in a laid back way when overtaking some bloke thrashing his horse to death ? well, in the future that will be performance IC car drivers getting smoked by an old lady in her EV
Whether or not having huge, heavy pickups with 4wd, massive traction and massive acceleration is a good idea, I dont know, I often wonder how people who sometimes struggle with say the clutch on a Jazz (you know, massive revs, slip clutch, put it up on some railings anyway) will cope with something that instantly, apocalyptically rapid ? I guess owners will end up being able to peg performance and responsivness in software.
The thought of the usual crew cab pickup drivers being able to do 100 mph in seven seconds is a bit scary, as currently if I annoy them, I can soon outrun a Nissan Neanderthal, Toyota Alpha Baboon or Mitsubishi Armed bd.
And another thing with acceleration, sure, you can get there in double quick time, but does the vehicle have any business at that speed, you know, corners, stopping ?
The performance is staggering, thats Supercar acceleration, in terms of straight line thrust, EV's seem to be able to just do it without massive compromises, I know its not the be all and end all but it sort of makes it feel a bit pointless agonizing over power and acceleration figures. Does anyone remember Harry Enfields camp jockeys riding in a laid back way when overtaking some bloke thrashing his horse to death ? well, in the future that will be performance IC car drivers getting smoked by an old lady in her EV
Whether or not having huge, heavy pickups with 4wd, massive traction and massive acceleration is a good idea, I dont know, I often wonder how people who sometimes struggle with say the clutch on a Jazz (you know, massive revs, slip clutch, put it up on some railings anyway) will cope with something that instantly, apocalyptically rapid ? I guess owners will end up being able to peg performance and responsivness in software.
The thought of the usual crew cab pickup drivers being able to do 100 mph in seven seconds is a bit scary, as currently if I annoy them, I can soon outrun a Nissan Neanderthal, Toyota Alpha Baboon or Mitsubishi Armed b
d.And another thing with acceleration, sure, you can get there in double quick time, but does the vehicle have any business at that speed, you know, corners, stopping ?
DonkeyApple said:
They must have done some market research to find out if there was some form of commercial demand. I wonder how many times the poor chap with the clipboard got punched in the face trying to collect that data!
Good looking truck but the storage compartment for the mother in law looks a bit tight. Maybe that’s why it has a 5000 lb tow weight?
So far the first electric Luxury car became the best selling luxury car, the first premium executive electric car became the best selling premium electric car.Good looking truck but the storage compartment for the mother in law looks a bit tight. Maybe that’s why it has a 5000 lb tow weight?
There is a section of Coal Rollin gun toting Trump voters who will not buy an electric car for culture war reasons. These people still have iPhones.
However as pickup trucks are the best selling cars in the US it indicates that there is likely a diverse range of people buying them. If you have a product which is crazy fast, really good off road and looks distinctive you will find a market.
Once you start showing YouTube video's of it pulling an F150 backwards up a snow covered hill then maybe a lot of the electric vehicle sceptic's might come around to it.
Currently the F150 sized trucks sell at an average of $55,000 so there is plenty of people with the money for the next big status symbol.
So to make it more usable, you have to pay extra for the mega power model. I suppose it depends on how you will use it as a vehicle.
Its a brave company to try and compete with the likes of the Ford F150 and Silverado etc etc.
My concern is that there just won'tr be a big enough take up on an electric Pick Up.
Also as someone else said, I can't imagine the traditional pick up owner is going to be a typical EV Buying customer!
I also question the need for it to be so fast. 3 seconds is stupidly fast for a car let alone a pick up.
Same for it towing 5T. Is that a standard thing in the US? Most of our pick ups here top out at the usual 3.5T.
Its a brave company to try and compete with the likes of the Ford F150 and Silverado etc etc.
My concern is that there just won'tr be a big enough take up on an electric Pick Up.
Also as someone else said, I can't imagine the traditional pick up owner is going to be a typical EV Buying customer!
I also question the need for it to be so fast. 3 seconds is stupidly fast for a car let alone a pick up.
Same for it towing 5T. Is that a standard thing in the US? Most of our pick ups here top out at the usual 3.5T.
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