RE: Rivian doubles down with 765hp R1S SUV
Discussion
BarcelonaLewis said:
It'd be nice to see some intelligent, original design in an EV. Why does it need to look just like a car with an internal combustion engine? Surely there's no need for a bonnet now? Designing a vehicle from scratch around the technology rather than this effort.
Jaguar I-Pace then?mstrbkr said:
"While a 5,040mm gap between the axles still leaves it firmly rooted in Range Rover territory,"
A 5 metre wheel base!? If this is true then it's very much a US-centric vehicle, not a global one. Moreover, no RR has a 5 metre wheel base.
You see when it comes to car news, I started to look elsewhere for reference as I care more about core data than writing style. Here's what I get from Rivian's own website.A 5 metre wheel base!? If this is true then it's very much a US-centric vehicle, not a global one. Moreover, no RR has a 5 metre wheel base.
Pickup:
--- Wheelbase: 3075mm
--- Length: 5475mm
SUV:
--- Wheelbase: 3450mm
--- Length: 5040mm
So clearly, SUV has longer wheelbase but shorter overall body length to accommodate three-row of seating and still retain decent departure angle. Whereas, the pickup version is all about the pickup bed at the back, hence shorter wheelbase but much longer rear overhang.
BarcelonaLewis said:
It'd be nice to see some intelligent, original design in an EV. Why does it need to look just like a car with an internal combustion engine? Surely there's no need for a bonnet now? Designing a vehicle from scratch around the technology rather than this effort.
The electronic hardware is no smaller than an ICE.
loveice said:
mstrbkr said:
"While a 5,040mm gap between the axles still leaves it firmly rooted in Range Rover territory,"
A 5 metre wheel base!? If this is true then it's very much a US-centric vehicle, not a global one. Moreover, no RR has a 5 metre wheel base.
You see when it comes to car news, I started to look elsewhere for reference as I care more about core data than writing style. Here's what I get from Rivian's own website.A 5 metre wheel base!? If this is true then it's very much a US-centric vehicle, not a global one. Moreover, no RR has a 5 metre wheel base.
Pickup:
--- Wheelbase: 3075mm
--- Length: 5475mm
SUV:
--- Wheelbase: 3450mm
--- Length: 5040mm
So clearly, SUV has longer wheelbase but shorter overall body length to accommodate three-row of seating and still retain decent departure angle. Whereas, the pickup version is all about the pickup bed at the back, hence shorter wheelbase but much longer rear overhang.
wemorgan said:
BarcelonaLewis said:
It'd be nice to see some intelligent, original design in an EV. Why does it need to look just like a car with an internal combustion engine? Surely there's no need for a bonnet now? Designing a vehicle from scratch around the technology rather than this effort.
The electronic hardware is no smaller than an ICE.Or the motors and the batteries etc ?
Electric motors, to me look about the same size as the gearbox from an ICE, the batteries are hefty but get sandwiched into the floor.
i would say, like for like they take up less room and enforce less packaging compromises, hence why in these you get a "Frunk"
No propshaft/trans tunnel needed, no exhaust to run, no radiator/cooling system, no gearbox and the motors can be packaged in the axle.
J4CKO said:
As in the motors ?
Or the motors and the batteries etc ?
Electric motors, to me look about the same size as the gearbox from an ICE, the batteries are hefty but get sandwiched into the floor.
i would say, like for like they take up less room and enforce less packaging compromises, hence why in these you get a "Frunk"
No propshaft/trans tunnel needed, no exhaust to run, no radiator/cooling system, no gearbox and the motors can be packaged in the axle.
Motors, inverters, single speed transmission box, radiator (EV still have radiators), brake master cylinder, ABS module, various junction boxes, steering rack, 12V battery, fuse box, wiring harnessOr the motors and the batteries etc ?
Electric motors, to me look about the same size as the gearbox from an ICE, the batteries are hefty but get sandwiched into the floor.
i would say, like for like they take up less room and enforce less packaging compromises, hence why in these you get a "Frunk"
No propshaft/trans tunnel needed, no exhaust to run, no radiator/cooling system, no gearbox and the motors can be packaged in the axle.
"The company has about 600 employees now, split between four development locations in the U.S. and an office in the UK. The bulk of its employees, about 300, are in Michigan"
"The company has raised $450 million in capital and debt financing from investors"
"the ability to wade in up to 3 feet of water"
"Customers will be able to pick from different battery pack configurations. But in the beginning, Rivian will produce vehicles with the highest performance level and heftiest range first"
"The R1T pickup has a base price of $69,000 before the federal tax credit. The R1S SUV starts at $72,500." Note: after the federal tax credit for EVs, the converted figures are £48,000 and £51,000, respectively.
https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/27/rivian-debuts-an...
unsprung said:
"The R1T pickup has a base price of $69,000 before the federal tax credit. The R1S SUV starts at $72,500." Note: after the federal tax credit for EVs, the converted figures are £48,000 and £51,000, respectively.
I can't imagine those figures include local sales tax though, so you'd probably have to add 20% to get a realistic UK price.BarcelonaLewis said:
Completely serious; forget aesthetics and just think of it in terms of function. If space holds luggage and acts as a crumple zone, why put it all at the front and back?
That's insane! It would be massively wide, mess up the weight distribution, impede ingress/exit etc but sure most vehicles are weaker/you're more likely to be badly injured in a side impact. Audis idea (on the A8) to raise the suspension on the side receiving the impact so that the structural sill takes the load is a pretty smart idea though.
Witchfinder said:
unsprung said:
"The R1T pickup has a base price of $69,000 before the federal tax credit. The R1S SUV starts at $72,500." Note: after the federal tax credit for EVs, the converted figures are £48,000 and £51,000, respectively.
I can't imagine those figures include local sales tax though, so you'd probably have to add 20% to get a realistic UK price.. Step 1) Find the US RRP (known in America as the MSRP)
. Step 2) Replace $ sign with £ sign. Change no numerals.
in my original post, I did not attempt this "conversion"
my intention was to allow, here on PH, a more intuitive feeling for the relative affordability of these vehicles in their domestic market -- these vehicles cost more than most, but their story is not predicated on the One Percent
regarding sales tax and on-the-road fees in the US, I suggest adding 8% to the US RRP -- this will accurately represent (and often exceed) the actual figures for most US jurisdictions
BarcelonaLewis said:
It'd be nice to see some intelligent, original design in an EV. Why does it need to look just like a car with an internal combustion engine? Surely there's no need for a bonnet now? Designing a vehicle from scratch around the technology rather than this effort.
Because you and I are apparently in a minority. The general car buying public is extremely conservative. Even more so in the US.Typically you see a lot more of the exact opposite sentiment: "i just want an efficient/hybrid/electric car that looks like a regular car". It's boring as hell.
BarcelonaLewis said:
Completely serious; forget aesthetics and just think of it in terms of function. If space holds luggage and acts as a crumple zone, why put it all at the front and back?
Rear end and head on collisions are the most common and dangerous types of accident. Side impacts are rare, and even those involve the nose of a car colliding with something. You want as much protection as possible for occupants between them and the direction of travel.modeller said:
CES Fully Charged https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMfxJEfb4lw
Cheers, that was really interesting and if all is as it seems, deeply impressive, am getting the looks now.Their spokesman came across very well, the interior looks great, suitable for intended use without being utilitarian.
Exciting times ahead, especially for JLR if they cant answer that kind of shot across the bows in the next two years.
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