RE: Jeep Cherokee Trackhawk priced from ?90k
Discussion
mac96 said:
No doubt the Bentley and the Urus interiors are built of better quality materials, but am I really the only person who thinks they look ghastly?
I'm a bit of a Lambo fan but the Urus interior (particularly in this picture) looks way too 'try hard' to be extreme. It's a fine line between genuine lunacy and a contrived attempt to look mad!cowboyengineer said:
Yeah, just an engine upgrade. 
This is what they had to do to make it daily drivable....
https://jalopnik.com/how-jeep-made-the-grand-chero...
You have to do all that to make it driveable? This is what they had to do to make it daily drivable....
https://jalopnik.com/how-jeep-made-the-grand-chero...
I guess it must be a pretty crap package to start off with if you need to change all that. Besides, this guy does OK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&...
Most of what you need is here: http://www.modernmusclextreme.com/c-182-2012-2018-...
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 1st December 14:17
wormus said:
You have to do all that to make it driveable? I guess it must be a pretty crap package to start off with if you need to change all that.
Besides, this guy does OK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&...
Most of what you need is here: http://www.modernmusclextreme.com/c-182-2012-2018-...
It's ironic that your post is littered with rolleyes smillies! Yeah just shove 700bhp in there mate. It'll be fine. I guess it must be a pretty crap package to start off with if you need to change all that. Besides, this guy does OK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&...
Most of what you need is here: http://www.modernmusclextreme.com/c-182-2012-2018-...
Edited by wormus on Saturday 1st December 14:17
fblm said:
It's ironic that your post is littered with rolleyes smillies! Yeah just shove 700bhp in there mate. It'll be fine.
I was simply mocking the previous poster as he deserved. Many think 700hp is unfathomable as they drive a 2 litre diesel and to them, serious performance is a 40 HP remap.700 HP is quite modest from a modern, American V8.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 1st December 15:40
aston addict said:
90k for a Jeep? Is it April 1st? I’m sorry, no matter how quick it is, would you pay 90k for it?
Might be a good car, but the competition is stiff at this price point and as someone else mentioned, lower powered versions can be leased very reasonably (at least here in the US)
Is it though because that 90k list price is UK not US (which I'm sure is significantly cheaper) list price, a Cayenne Turbo is 100k before you tick one option & that's before you try to match the Spec.Might be a good car, but the competition is stiff at this price point and as someone else mentioned, lower powered versions can be leased very reasonably (at least here in the US)
ZX10R NIN said:
aston addict said:
90k for a Jeep? Is it April 1st? I’m sorry, no matter how quick it is, would you pay 90k for it?
Might be a good car, but the competition is stiff at this price point and as someone else mentioned, lower powered versions can be leased very reasonably (at least here in the US)
Is it though because that 90k list price is UK not US (which I'm sure is significantly cheaper) list price, a Cayenne Turbo is 100k before you tick one option & that's before you try to match the Spec.Might be a good car, but the competition is stiff at this price point and as someone else mentioned, lower powered versions can be leased very reasonably (at least here in the US)
I'd take the Hawk, pocket the change, and have a ball.
MuscleSaloon said:
BFleming said:
This passed me on the street in Paris on Wednesday. I got a bit excited, as it's the first one I've seen on public roads (the last one was black at a car show), and it confirms white must the worst colour for the Urus. Can my perception of a car be colour dependent? I really like the Urus, but hated this!
Yep the outside is as much of a mess as the inside ….MuscleSaloon said:
ZX10R NIN said:
aston addict said:
90k for a Jeep? Is it April 1st? I’m sorry, no matter how quick it is, would you pay 90k for it?
Might be a good car, but the competition is stiff at this price point and as someone else mentioned, lower powered versions can be leased very reasonably (at least here in the US)
Is it though because that 90k list price is UK not US (which I'm sure is significantly cheaper) list price, a Cayenne Turbo is 100k before you tick one option & that's before you try to match the Spec.Might be a good car, but the competition is stiff at this price point and as someone else mentioned, lower powered versions can be leased very reasonably (at least here in the US)
I'd take the Hawk, pocket the change, and have a ball.
wormus said:
I was simply mocking the previous poster as he deserved. Many think 700hp is unfathomable as they drive a 2 litre diesel and to them, serious performance is a 40 HP remap.
700 HP is quite modest from a modern, American V8.
Bar the new red-eye and demon, there isn't a more powerful American made car on sale. 700 HP is quite modest from a modern, American V8.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 1st December 15:40
And you can throw your $20,000 at an srt but you'll still have a weaker gearbox, driveshaft, half shafts and transfer case.
I own one and appreciate just how good it is at what it does. The drive train is an incredible achievement given what gets thrown at it. My tuner in the states has made over 140+ passes at the track all on stock running gear bar the driveshaft and has not had one failure.
And then you have the sheer tunability of the engine. A smaller upper pulley, injectors and a decent tune will have you in the 10s for the trackhawk and 9s for the hellcat.
It will absolutely destroy an svr, gle63, x5m and a cayenne turbo. I'm modified but I ran against a gle63s about two weeks ago and he ran a 12.2 in 1,900 ft DA and I ran an 11.0. Even stock would have been a walk.
You have to appreciate what the hawk is good at and where it's shortcomings are. To me, value for money wise there is not an SUV that gets near it.
I’m not denying it’s a superb piece of kit and I’d love one but it’s expensive and my point was you can create something similar for less (see the link above). You can buy stronger transfer/gear boxes, as well as forged rods/pistons and superchargers and put them on a used SRT for much less. If you can afford it though, the Trackhawk obviously is better option.
wormus said:
I’m not denying it’s a superb piece of kit and I’d love one but it’s expensive and my point was you can create something similar for less (see the link above). You can buy stronger transfer/gear boxes, as well as forged rods/pistons and superchargers and put them on a used SRT for much less. If you can afford it though, the Trackhawk obviously is better option.
You're not comparing apples with apples, the price of a new SRT8 was 65k, do you think you could build a 700bhp version (with the upgraded gear/transfer box pistons crank etc) of an SRT8 for an extra 25k & it'll be upto the same standard as a Trackhawk?Of course you can't & that's the point bringing buying an older used one into the equation always makes it an easier point to make but to make a proper reliable 700bhp car will cost in the region of 30-40k & not a five year warranty in sight.
That's why it's worth every bit of it's 90k.
ZX10R NIN said:
You're not comparing apples with apples, the price of a new SRT8 was 65k, do you think you could build a 700bhp version (with the upgraded gear/transfer box pistons crank etc) of an SRT8 for an extra 25k & it'll be upto the same standard as a Trackhawk?
Of course you can't & that's the point bringing buying an older used one into the equation always makes it an easier point to make but to make a proper reliable 700bhp car will cost in the region of 30-40k & not a five year warranty in sight.
That's why it's worth every bit of it's 90k.
Yes, agree its definitely worth the asking price.Of course you can't & that's the point bringing buying an older used one into the equation always makes it an easier point to make but to make a proper reliable 700bhp car will cost in the region of 30-40k & not a five year warranty in sight.
That's why it's worth every bit of it's 90k.
ZX10R NIN said:
You're not comparing apples with apples, the price of a new SRT8 was 65k, do you think you could build a 700bhp version (with the upgraded gear/transfer box pistons crank etc) of an SRT8 for an extra 25k & it'll be upto the same standard as a Trackhawk?
Of course you can't & that's the point bringing buying an older used one into the equation always makes it an easier point to make but to make a proper reliable 700bhp car will cost in the region of 30-40k & not a five year warranty in sight.
That's why it's worth every bit of it's 90k.
You're missing the point - if you want one now & have £90k to spend on this sort of car then of course the Trackhawk is the best option. If, like me you don't, the parts are available to build something very similar for less money. What you don't get is the development costs, a warranty or a new car for that matter.Of course you can't & that's the point bringing buying an older used one into the equation always makes it an easier point to make but to make a proper reliable 700bhp car will cost in the region of 30-40k & not a five year warranty in sight.
That's why it's worth every bit of it's 90k.
I'll be looking at one of these when they are around the £30k mark.
Or, you could go nuts and get one of these: http://hennesseyperformance.com/vehicles/jeep/jeep...
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 2nd December 17:13
wormus said:
You're missing the point - if you want one now & have £90k to spend on this sort of car then of course the Trackhawk is the best option. If, like me you don't, the parts are available to build something very similar for less money. What you don't get is the development costs, a warranty or a new car for that matter.
I'll be looking at one of these when they are around the £30k mark.
No I'm not missing the point I get that if you can't afford to go & buy the Trackhawk then used & modified SRT is the way to go, I have an E500 coupe that's had a fair few upgrades added to it & now makes more power than an E63 it'll also handle better than a regular E63 but it's not one & that's the crux of it buying a 500/600/700bhp car from the Manufacturer will always represent better value.I'll be looking at one of these when they are around the £30k mark.
If they're off the table then yes buying an SRT for around 25-30k could make sense depending on how thorough you wanted to be with your conversion.
I wanted an E63 coupe & the only way to do that was build my own so it made sense would I have a used 5.5TT E63 AMG Coupe instead? More than likely as the extra cost on the probable purchase price would've been less than the cost of the work on the 500, as a sidebar I'd have ended up modifying the 63 anyway.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
ZX10R NIN said:
No I'm not missing the point I get that if you can't afford to go & buy the Trackhawk then used & modified SRT is the way to go, I have an E500 coupe that's had a fair few upgrades added to it & now makes more power than an E63 it'll also handle better than a regular E63 but it's not one & that's the crux of it buying a 500/600/700bhp car from the Manufacturer will always represent better value.
If they're off the table then yes buying an SRT for around 25-30k could make sense depending on how thorough you wanted to be with your conversion.
I wanted an E63 coupe & the only way to do that was build my own so it made sense would I have a used 5.5TT E63 AMG Coupe instead? More than likely as the extra cost on the probable purchase price would've been less than the cost of the work on the 500, as a sidebar I'd have ended up modifying the 63 anyway.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
I almost bankrupted myself building my Monaro. Took several wrong turns and it cost me a few blown engines but what I have now is properly reliable, well resolved and as nice to drive as an 800hp Monaro can be. Appalling value for money as I must have spent close to £100k getting it right. I do agree buying a car that somebody else has developed is the safe option but I have a bug for mucking about with things. If they're off the table then yes buying an SRT for around 25-30k could make sense depending on how thorough you wanted to be with your conversion.
I wanted an E63 coupe & the only way to do that was build my own so it made sense would I have a used 5.5TT E63 AMG Coupe instead? More than likely as the extra cost on the probable purchase price would've been less than the cost of the work on the 500, as a sidebar I'd have ended up modifying the 63 anyway.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
you & me both I enjoy making a car my own, I always threw my bills away that way I wouldn't ever know. 
wormus said:
I was simply mocking the previous poster as he deserved. Many think 700hp is unfathomable as they drive a 2 litre diesel and to them, serious performance is a 40 HP remap.
700 HP is quite modest from a modern, American V8.
Yeah my 2lt diesel GT3 :rolls eyes:700 HP is quite modest from a modern, American V8.
Edited by wormus on Saturday 1st December 15:40
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