RE: BMW 8 Series: (Not) UK Drive
Discussion
Pooh said:
I like the side and front but the back is an over styled mess, I would far rather have another Maserati GranTurismo S than one of these.
Yes the Maserati is older, slower, and out of date but it is far more special, has an incredible engine, looks far nicer and will hold its value better, especially when you consider that it is one of the last cars with a naturally asperated Ferrari engine.
Having just sold a 10 year old Maserati that owned for 2 years, holding value is not a phrase that jumps to mind Yes the Maserati is older, slower, and out of date but it is far more special, has an incredible engine, looks far nicer and will hold its value better, especially when you consider that it is one of the last cars with a naturally asperated Ferrari engine.
Helicopter123 said:
With all due respect, are you really in the market for a £100k car? Your profile suggests a Nissan Juke, older 1 series and a shed of a 7 series?
With all due respect you nosey pompous b
d I can easily afford the car in question. As for my profile its not been updated in ages.Edited by monzaxjr on Sunday 2nd December 21:26
Chestrockwell said:
Paracetamol said:
Almost identical...lazy oriental design..looks like BMW is playing it safe..
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What the hell is that called and why don’t they sell it here, that’s actually stunning!!Edited by Paracetamol on Sunday 2nd December 17:00
Tell me it has a GTR engine in it??
People are mentioning the depreciation the reality is as some of alluded to BMW rarely sell a car at list.
I actually go so far to say that BMW's pricelist as a whole is a work of fiction, end of.
For example I know a G30 5 series owner looking to move on to a new G11 730/740 they were offered about 20k off list...the higher up you go, the larger the discounts and more so on the slower moving models.
The same was true of the 6, most people go 60k and probably 70k ish specced up. Reality is they were late 40's to early 50's.
Having actually sat in an 840D this weekend, I must admit the rear was okay (which was a concern), but and it is a bit but, the grill is awful, stupidly oversized for the car and looks oddly out of proportion to the lights (which BMW are proudly saying are some of their smallest, but most powerful ever in laserlight spec).
The new X5 was there as well and they had 4 in my dealer and only 1 8 series which kind of tells you everything you need to know about sales of the 8...
I actually go so far to say that BMW's pricelist as a whole is a work of fiction, end of.
For example I know a G30 5 series owner looking to move on to a new G11 730/740 they were offered about 20k off list...the higher up you go, the larger the discounts and more so on the slower moving models.
The same was true of the 6, most people go 60k and probably 70k ish specced up. Reality is they were late 40's to early 50's.
Having actually sat in an 840D this weekend, I must admit the rear was okay (which was a concern), but and it is a bit but, the grill is awful, stupidly oversized for the car and looks oddly out of proportion to the lights (which BMW are proudly saying are some of their smallest, but most powerful ever in laserlight spec).
The new X5 was there as well and they had 4 in my dealer and only 1 8 series which kind of tells you everything you need to know about sales of the 8...
Ninja59 said:
People are mentioning the depreciation the reality is as some of alluded to BMW rarely sell a car at list.
I actually go so far to say that BMW's pricelist as a whole is a work of fiction, end of.
For example I know a G30 5 series owner looking to move on to a new G11 730/740 they were offered about 20k off list...the higher up you go, the larger the discounts and more so on the slower moving models.
The same was true of the 6, most people go 60k and probably 70k ish specced up. Reality is they were late 40's to early 50's.
Having actually sat in an 840D this weekend, I must admit the rear was okay (which was a concern), but and it is a bit but, the grill is awful, stupidly oversized for the car and looks oddly out of proportion to the lights (which BMW are proudly saying are some of their smallest, but most powerful ever in laserlight spec).
The new X5 was there as well and they had 4 in my dealer and only 1 8 series which kind of tells you everything you need to know about sales of the 8...
Agreed on your point re: actual sales price vs RRP. I actually go so far to say that BMW's pricelist as a whole is a work of fiction, end of.
For example I know a G30 5 series owner looking to move on to a new G11 730/740 they were offered about 20k off list...the higher up you go, the larger the discounts and more so on the slower moving models.
The same was true of the 6, most people go 60k and probably 70k ish specced up. Reality is they were late 40's to early 50's.
Having actually sat in an 840D this weekend, I must admit the rear was okay (which was a concern), but and it is a bit but, the grill is awful, stupidly oversized for the car and looks oddly out of proportion to the lights (which BMW are proudly saying are some of their smallest, but most powerful ever in laserlight spec).
The new X5 was there as well and they had 4 in my dealer and only 1 8 series which kind of tells you everything you need to know about sales of the 8...
However, I'd have thought it'd be obvious that any BMW dealer would have more X5s in stock than 8-series; one's an SUV driven by lots of people, the other's a GT with a relatively small market appeal. It wouldn't matter who the manufacturer was (Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, Rolls-Royce, Bentley etc), it'd be the same situation in all dealerships - SUVs are going to sell way more than GTs no matter whether they look good or not!
sidesauce said:
greed on your point re: actual sales price vs RRP.
However, I'd have thought it'd be obvious that any BMW dealer would have more X5s in stock than 8-series; one's an SUV driven by lots of people, the other's a GT with a relatively small market appeal. It wouldn't matter who the manufacturer was (Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, Rolls-Royce, Bentley etc), it'd be the same situation in all dealerships - SUVs are going to sell way more than GTs no matter whether they look good or not!
Oh I was not surprised to see 4 new X5's. The grill issue also really applies to that as well. I do not know what BMW is playing at in regards to grill size at the moment, but there we go.However, I'd have thought it'd be obvious that any BMW dealer would have more X5s in stock than 8-series; one's an SUV driven by lots of people, the other's a GT with a relatively small market appeal. It wouldn't matter who the manufacturer was (Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, Rolls-Royce, Bentley etc), it'd be the same situation in all dealerships - SUVs are going to sell way more than GTs no matter whether they look good or not!
Ninja59 said:
Oh I was not surprised to see 4 new X5's. The grill issue also really applies to that as well. I do not know what BMW is playing at in regards to grill size at the moment, but there we go.
BMW are definitely going through a 'phase' and as some-one posted previously, the concept looked fantastic - given the way the 6-series concept was almost identical to the production version, I had super high hopes for this car. As it is, I don't mind it but at the same time, I don't love it either; I agree, the grill is too big but maybe could be mitigated somewhat if it was, say, black on a black car? I don't know.
I find it amazing that the might of BMWs engineering has managed to make a "sports" coupe, constructed from Aluminium and Carbon Fibre, and managed to make it 2 tons!
A 4wd audi RS6 estate I can fully understand coming with a 2 ton kerb weight!
To be honest, I don't think anyone buying in this segment cares about weight or driving dynamics. It is a big showy halo model designed to extract more coin from people who are willing to pay for the biggest and most expensive in the line up.
A 4wd audi RS6 estate I can fully understand coming with a 2 ton kerb weight!
To be honest, I don't think anyone buying in this segment cares about weight or driving dynamics. It is a big showy halo model designed to extract more coin from people who are willing to pay for the biggest and most expensive in the line up.
I love the idea of a big heavy fast GT..but it has to look great and not like a second rate oriental design..remember how amazing the e24 6 series and e31 8 series looked in their day..definately not like any Japanese car of the time. This and the Infinite were clearly separated at birth!
Paracetamol said:
I love the idea of a big heavy fast GT..but it has to look great and not like a second rate oriental design..
So you're saying you think Far Eastern designs are second rate? I'm confused... You DO realise that Q60 you posted was designed by Alfonso Albaisa (a Cuban-American), right?You do also realise that many of these other 'second-rate oriental designs', as you call them, are in fact designed by non-Asians (Peter Schreyer, formally of VW, most immediately comes to mind - most of the current Kia range as well as Hyundai and Genesis models are designed by him)?
Smacks a little bit of Jingoism to me... But hey, what do I know???
Designs are signed off by committees of large car manufacturers...and so the nationality of the designer is a a non issue. The chief designer will have younger designers present 10 different variants and ask the bosses to sign off the one that's most liked.
The far east is hardly known for design classics. Japanese cars generally follow trends and date very quickly..and there is little coherent design language between the various models in their ranges. Where there is..say Lexus..it a just lotus of lines everywhere and jewellery but with little substance.
BMW seemed to be getting it right for a while but the last few seem to be a bit half baked. I get the feeling that anything sells in China and so no one seems that bothered to do a great job right now..except perhaps Mercedes.
The far east is hardly known for design classics. Japanese cars generally follow trends and date very quickly..and there is little coherent design language between the various models in their ranges. Where there is..say Lexus..it a just lotus of lines everywhere and jewellery but with little substance.
BMW seemed to be getting it right for a while but the last few seem to be a bit half baked. I get the feeling that anything sells in China and so no one seems that bothered to do a great job right now..except perhaps Mercedes.
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