RE: TVR production likely delayed by factory setback
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biggles330d said:
From what I've heard of the Welsh Government though I shouldn't be surprised. Competence isn't a word naturally associated with them.
They have a long way to go to match the sheer brilliant competence of Westminster - such a shining beacon of the very best of democracy and management of our nations that! NOT!oilit said:
RiknRoll said:
Ginetta will probably take even longer!
Oh and the Supra... sorry but it's just not at all exciting to me. I don't think its actually particularly good looking (worse than the TVR certainly). And it's basically just a Z4 Coupe anyway... Frankly £54k base price for a 1500kg 335bhp Z4 (or probably about £60k with options OTR) isn't even remotely exciting compared to most in its sector now, I rather have an M2, Cayman, or an A110 for that money.
funny - I wouldn't put the Supra and TVR Griff in the same sentence - comparing mass produced badge engineered platform shared, over engineered coupe with what should be an eccentric, bit left field choice coupe built using non traditional monocoque steel pressed methodologies seems a bit unfair - I bet any potential customer would be firmly sat in one camp or the other.Oh and the Supra... sorry but it's just not at all exciting to me. I don't think its actually particularly good looking (worse than the TVR certainly). And it's basically just a Z4 Coupe anyway... Frankly £54k base price for a 1500kg 335bhp Z4 (or probably about £60k with options OTR) isn't even remotely exciting compared to most in its sector now, I rather have an M2, Cayman, or an A110 for that money.
I know some Griff DH's have bailed and bought AMV8's - where there is a little more similarity.
I actually spoke to TVR today, and confirmed that the recent rehashing of this same news is still nonsense as I had said in my old post. It's just mis-reporting/late take-up of the old article. I was led to believe that that process has ended, and also that there will be another emailed update to depositors soon. The real reason I called them was to get a rough idea of how long I should expect to be waiting, because I'm giving big consideration to a stop-gap whilst I wait, and may look at financing options on a 2nd hand something - I was given as clear an idea as I could have wished and expected given my place in the queue, and am satisfied they are on the track that they put in their last email i.e. means cars should start being produced this year with a 12-14 month schedule for the first 500 LE's.
Edited by RiknRoll on Monday 4th February 17:56
Edited by RiknRoll on Monday 4th February 17:59
RiknRoll said:
The real reason I called them was to get a rough idea of how long I should expect to be waiting, because I'm giving big consideration to a stop-gap whilst I wait, and may look at financing options on a 2nd hand something.
And what did they say or are you sworn to secrecy?Monkeylegend said:
And what did they say or are you sworn to secrecy?
They said about as much as they fairly could, I just didn't wish to put too many words into their mouths before their official update - basically it sounds as if the contractor has been decided, so I assume that means work will be commencing very soon. They had said earlier it was a 6 month factory rebuild, I didn't quiz them too much on that honestly, but I know how building contractors are - and never expect builders to achieve anything on time! So you can read into that what you like! For me it gives me a rough window of when I should expect it's arrival, knowing my approximate build slot, which is all I wanted from the conversation. My slot is 350-400... so I have time to enjoy something else first.RiknRoll said:
Monkeylegend said:
And what did they say or are you sworn to secrecy?
They said about as much as they fairly could, I just didn't wish to put too many words into their mouths before their official update - basically it sounds as if the contractor has been decided, so I assume that means work will be commencing very soon. They had said earlier it was a 6 month factory rebuild, I didn't quiz them too much on that honestly, but I know how building contractors are - and never expect builders to achieve anything on time! So you can read into that what you like! For me it gives me a rough window of when I should expect it's arrival, knowing my approximate build slot, which is all I wanted from the conversation. My slot is 350-400... so I have time to enjoy something else first.I do hope they crack on with it - the EU thing seems a red herring as they have a site but not all the car bits!
I had a TVR when I couldn't possibly afford an Aston or Porsche or anything like that. The V8S I had was £19k and a full 9k over budget. The salesman had some kind of magic form and I just signed it and then got the keys! It made a man of you with power NOTHING and no computerised nannys - its the last car I spun and I loved it to bits. It was very reliable indeed too and I could maintain a lot of it myself.. The key point was that it was just about affordable for a single chap in his late twenties - £100k cars are not. It had a simple ethos with loads of unique and quirky idiosyncrasies - maybe they are going a bit too 'me too' now, and maybe they don't need to? Dunno - wish them the very best and it's great to be creating manufacturing jobs in UK rather than depending on the Germans as we are too thick to mass produce British cars after British Leyland's collapse. We may need these jobs more than ever after Brexit too - especially if we slap 20% tariffs on Porsches and Fezza's, he he!
I had a TVR when I couldn't possibly afford an Aston or Porsche or anything like that. The V8S I had was £19k and a full 9k over budget. The salesman had some kind of magic form and I just signed it and then got the keys! It made a man of you with power NOTHING and no computerised nannys - its the last car I spun and I loved it to bits. It was very reliable indeed too and I could maintain a lot of it myself.. The key point was that it was just about affordable for a single chap in his late twenties - £100k cars are not. It had a simple ethos with loads of unique and quirky idiosyncrasies - maybe they are going a bit too 'me too' now, and maybe they don't need to? Dunno - wish them the very best and it's great to be creating manufacturing jobs in UK rather than depending on the Germans as we are too thick to mass produce British cars after British Leyland's collapse. We may need these jobs more than ever after Brexit too - especially if we slap 20% tariffs on Porsches and Fezza's, he he!
Monkeylegend said:
So maybe looking at early/mid 2020 for the first cars, depending on the parts situation and finance of course.
I think they are intimating that nothing has majorly changed in the timeline that they last released - meaning the first cars should be produced this year. To speculate more would be to put words in their mouths. Of course the one thing that was said is that production won't be entirely linear, obviously the earlier cars will take longer than the later ones. Again that's something that is logical to expect. Ken Figenus said:
The V8S I had was £19k and a full 9k over budget. The salesman had some kind of magic form and I just signed it and then got the keys! It made a man of you with power NOTHING and no computerised nannys - its the last car I spun and I loved it to bits. It was very reliable indeed too and I could maintain a lot of it myself.. The key point was that it was just about affordable for a single chap in his late twenties - £100k cars are not.
The Cologne V6 S was pitched firmly at MR2 market prices in the late 80's. An affordable roadster. I remember reading a review of the two back to back at the time. The TVR was around £17k IIRC so £36k adjusted for inflation? I appreciate we're never likely to see a sub £40k TVR ever again but just imagine how many they'd sell if they could pull it off?As you say, Blackpool TVR was all about achievable dreams for common people who like their cars noisy, raw and a bit dangerous. £90k+ is a serious amount to drop on a toy and out of the realms of possibility for the vast majority.
RiknRoll said:
Monkeylegend said:
So maybe looking at early/mid 2020 for the first cars, depending on the parts situation and finance of course.
I think they are intimating that nothing has majorly changed in the timeline that they last released - meaning the first cars should be produced this year. To speculate more would be to put words in their mouths. Of course the one thing that was said is that production won't be entirely linear, obviously the earlier cars will take longer than the later ones. Again that's something that is logical to expect. Monkeylegend said:
So what will the stop gap be?
Um... well at the minute I'm considering a low-end priced used McLaren 540/570 - it's been a sort-of-maybe-hopefully achievable dream car of mine for the last few years, and I'm at a stage where if I don't do it now then I never will (or even anything similar). Undoubtedly a Mclaren is not a long-termer for me, but I think that depreciation at the bottom end of the market is slowing, a decent deposit saved (i've been saving for a long while now for the TVR!) as well as trade-in of my aged Cayman S, so I won't struggle with the monthly payments. Main concern is depreciation, and that I risk marginally overshadowing my Griffith when it comes - but they are very different cars!Considered an F-Type V6S manual, pretty, but I'm not convinced there's too much point, though for sure overall the cost of a used car would be reasonable.
Also a Morgan 3 Wheeler, which would be great for some short-term fun, but totally impractical really even for a toy if I want to do any decent trips in it (which I do).
Then the Aston V12 Vantage (manual only - i tested an auto once and it was truly hatefully terrible!)... Similarish to the TVR though.
RiknRoll said:
Monkeylegend said:
So what will the stop gap be?
Um... well at the minute I'm considering a low-end priced used McLaren 540/570 - it's been a sort-of-maybe-hopefully achievable dream car of mine for the last few years, and I'm at a stage where if I don't do it now then I never will (or even anything similar). Undoubtedly a Mclaren is not a long-termer for me, but I think that depreciation at the bottom end of the market is slowing, a decent deposit saved (i've been saving for a long while now for the TVR!) as well as trade-in of my aged Cayman S, so I won't struggle with the monthly payments. Main concern is depreciation, and that I risk marginally overshadowing my Griffith when it comes - but they are very different cars!Considered an F-Type V6S manual, pretty, but I'm not convinced there's too much point, though for sure overall the cost of a used car would be reasonable.
Also a Morgan 3 Wheeler, which would be great for some short-term fun, but totally impractical really even for a toy if I want to do any decent trips in it (which I do).
Then the Aston V12 Vantage (manual only - i tested an auto once and it was truly hatefully terrible!)... Similarish to the TVR though.
Of those I would go for the Aston and probably never get round to buying the Griffith
Monkeylegend said:
A nice position to be in.
Of those I would go for the Aston and probably never get round to buying the Griffith
Hah! maybe, actually that's what I would be worried about with a Macca. The Griffith I think ought to be better dynamically than the Aston - Of those I would go for the Aston and probably never get round to buying the Griffith
lighter/madder basically! Either way though, all are a big upgrade from my Cayman which I've had for 8 years now (and served me excellently) it's just really time to move on.
Many come from TVR to Aston, liking that Brit sportscar ethos. I've driven a Griff (could never quite stretch to it so had to 'make do' with the V8S) and a Vantage and the Aston is very much a grown up TVR. Definitely less of a handful! It could make a very good purchase as they have bottomed out at about £35k for the seminal looking 2007 Vantage 4.3 and can be run intelligently on a budget too. You will never lose your trousers on that and it feels as unique, almost as beastly and definitely as special as a TVR. A Macca will be a very different proposition needing lots of wedge - especially for the annual; warranty.
rockin said:
Round where I live old guys buy an Aston and rev their rorty zorsts twice round the block like a kid in a Corsa. Then a few weeks later they're back in the Range Rover and the Aston quietly disappears....
They have probably worn out their slippers and need more baccy for their pipe 
MDifficult said:
On the plus side, the delay in the arrival of the new TVR also surely means a delay in the global financial downturn and subsequent bursting of the sports-car bubble that will inevitably coincide with the launch. 
Soooo true. at least a lot of 911's will come down by what they deserve...I think they bought out their prototyoe too soon. It should have been closer to production. Still I hope (but doubt) that they make it.
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