RE: Mercedes-AMG A35: Driven
Discussion
I like this, more of a golf R rival than a RS3
The interior looks great but I don’t like the split between the 2 screens. I think it would look better with 2 separate pods as you can’t use them both as 1 single screen anyway
I sat in a a200 Amg line and was very impressed, not going to stand the test of time but great for now
The interior looks great but I don’t like the split between the 2 screens. I think it would look better with 2 separate pods as you can’t use them both as 1 single screen anyway
I sat in a a200 Amg line and was very impressed, not going to stand the test of time but great for now
Nickbrapp said:
I like this, more of a golf R rival than a RS3
Yeah, this is Mercedes getting in on the volume hot hatch market, after all, you see the odd A45 AMG, and all the rest are diesels that look a bit like an AMG, there is the 250 AMG, a nice car in isolation but a complete also ran these days compared to the rest with only 221 bhp, so they need something to slot in and thats where this comes in, the yawning 160 ish bhp gap between the A45 and the next most powerful model.I expect them to sell/lease/PCP a hell of a lot of these, the punters will go mad for it if the deals are good, its a Mercedes and ok, its not the bats
t mental top of the line model but neither is it out of the running like the A250, will be plenty fast and capable enough for most, funky and techy interior which young buyers will love, even if the luddites on here dont approve. Its a brand new model as well.I anticipate Mercedes will do them on competitive deals, where the likes of the A45 and RS3 were a level or two up compared to the melee of Golf R, M135i, S3's, Cupras etc, the A35 will get pitched into that fray, the BMW and Golf are great but are old news now.
J4CKO said:
Yeah, this is Mercedes getting in on the volume hot hatch market, after all, you see the odd A45 AMG, and all the rest are diesels that look a bit like an AMG, there is the 250 AMG, a nice car in isolation but a complete also ran these days compared to the rest with only 221 bhp, so they need something to slot in and thats where this comes in, the yawning 160 ish bhp gap between the A45 and the next most powerful model.
I expect them to sell/lease/PCP a hell of a lot of these, the punters will go mad for it if the deals are good, its a Mercedes and ok, its not the batst mental top of the line model but neither is it out of the running like the A250, will be plenty fast and capable enough for most, funky and techy interior which young buyers will love, even if the luddites on here dont approve. Its a brand new model as well.
I anticipate Mercedes will do them on competitive deals, where the likes of the A45 and RS3 were a level or two up compared to the melee of Golf R, M135i, S3's, Cupras etc, the A35 will get pitched into that fray, the BMW and Golf are great but are old news now.
I’ve seen deals for £2k down £403 a month on a lease, which sounds a lot, however, when I went to the dealer to ask about a Amg line premium plus which is the 1.3 with 160bhp the dealer quoted be 2k down £440 a month! I expect them to sell/lease/PCP a hell of a lot of these, the punters will go mad for it if the deals are good, its a Mercedes and ok, its not the bats
t mental top of the line model but neither is it out of the running like the A250, will be plenty fast and capable enough for most, funky and techy interior which young buyers will love, even if the luddites on here dont approve. Its a brand new model as well.I anticipate Mercedes will do them on competitive deals, where the likes of the A45 and RS3 were a level or two up compared to the melee of Golf R, M135i, S3's, Cupras etc, the A35 will get pitched into that fray, the BMW and Golf are great but are old news now.
Be interesting to see what the mk8 golf R comes along with.
Indeed Mercedes don’t give a stuff about the old people moaning. They are constantly posting their highest sales month ever each month for the last couple of years.
Mercedes are the indemand car now, just like Audi where in 2008-2015, and bmw before that.
You can tell when I maker gets more popular as you see more white rep spec ones being driven quickly in the outside lane.
Panjy said:
Agree with some on here though, over 1500kg for a so called hot hatch is too much.
My old Evo 9 was 1400kg, was also 4wd and was the size of a 3 series BMW of the same vintage.
With modern materials technology i don’t see any reason why a car of this type should be so heavy.
It's not. The weight is given with driver and is just about the same as the IX with a driver. Both are 2l turbo, the A35 has more power, both are 4wd. The A35 is an auto and probably suitably faster in all but the most extreme driving (i.e. Rally). The A35 has a comfort level and interior quality lightyears ahead of the EVO. The EVO has a boot and more diffs. And butter gearboxes? No the A35 ain't light, but I already know which one I'd rather have a crash in... My old Evo 9 was 1400kg, was also 4wd and was the size of a 3 series BMW of the same vintage.
With modern materials technology i don’t see any reason why a car of this type should be so heavy.
Andy20vt said:
Yes but if you can't see where you're going due to poor outward visibility and the car is too wide then you'll be unlikely to be able to use all of that power. Plus with those alloys/tyres you'll simply spend all your time looking out for potholes. Clio 182 (or similar) would run rings round this on a tight twisting B road.
Not really Andy - I reckon the limiting factors on a B-road are line of sight, traffic, licence conservation, not visibility nor size. You can't use all of the power/grip/traction of a 300hp 4wd car on a twisty B-road without being locked up pretty quickly.Nothing tell us that the visibility is poor either, even compared to a 182. Unless you have driven it, of course.
J4CKO said:
Yeah, this is Mercedes getting in on the volume hot hatch market, after all, you see the odd A45 AMG, and all the rest are diesels that look a bit like an AMG, there is the 250 AMG, a nice car in isolation but a complete also ran these days compared to the rest with only 221 bhp, so they need something to slot in and thats where this comes in, the yawning 160 ish bhp gap between the A45 and the next most powerful model.
I expect them to sell/lease/PCP a hell of a lot of these, the punters will go mad for it if the deals are good, its a Mercedes and ok, its not the batst mental top of the line model but neither is it out of the running like the A250, will be plenty fast and capable enough for most, funky and techy interior which young buyers will love, even if the luddites on here dont approve. Its a brand new model as well.
I anticipate Mercedes will do them on competitive deals, where the likes of the A45 and RS3 were a level or two up compared to the melee of Golf R, M135i, S3's, Cupras etc, the A35 will get pitched into that fray, the BMW and Golf are great but are old news now.
+1I expect them to sell/lease/PCP a hell of a lot of these, the punters will go mad for it if the deals are good, its a Mercedes and ok, its not the bats
t mental top of the line model but neither is it out of the running like the A250, will be plenty fast and capable enough for most, funky and techy interior which young buyers will love, even if the luddites on here dont approve. Its a brand new model as well.I anticipate Mercedes will do them on competitive deals, where the likes of the A45 and RS3 were a level or two up compared to the melee of Golf R, M135i, S3's, Cupras etc, the A35 will get pitched into that fray, the BMW and Golf are great but are old news now.
I think thats wholly it, particularly the first paragraph.
Edited by Deep Thought on Wednesday 5th December 21:48
nickfrog said:
Andy20vt said:
Yes but if you can't see where you're going due to poor outward visibility and the car is too wide then you'll be unlikely to be able to use all of that power. Plus with those alloys/tyres you'll simply spend all your time looking out for potholes. Clio 182 (or similar) would run rings round this on a tight twisting B road.
Not really Andy - I reckon the limiting factors on a B-road are line of sight, traffic, licence conservation, not visibility nor size. You can't use all of the power/grip/traction of a 300hp 4wd car on a twisty B-road without being locked up pretty quickly.Nothing tell us that the visibility is poor either, even compared to a 182. Unless you have driven it, of course.
Having owned a track prepared 182 Cup, a 197, a 200 Cup and now we have an A45, AND we live very close to a motorbike road racing circuit here in NI which i know like the back of my hand, the A45 would wholly run rings round a 182 around it or on an A or B road. Totally in a different league. I expect this A35 to be VERY close to the old model A45 in terms of real world capability and thus well ahead of a 182, etc.
Clearly - as was said - designed to get more younger people in to the AMG brand who couldnt previously afford / justify them.
If we were replacing the A45 with something of that ilk again, i'd say it would be with an A35. It seems to have most of the power with potentially greater abilities in a more reconciled package and for considerably less money than the A45 will be.
If we were replacing the A45 with something of that ilk again, i'd say it would be with an A35. It seems to have most of the power with potentially greater abilities in a more reconciled package and for considerably less money than the A45 will be.
There's an awful lot of lost perspective on here.
Here's a regular, reliable, everyday family car that will affordable for quite a few that does 0-60 in sub 5 seconds, quarter mile in about, or just less than, 13 seconds, has 197bhp/tonne, does 35mpg, has 4wd and the latest autobox, weighs a fat adult more than a boggo toyota corolla and the criticism is, it's heavy, it's ugly (subjective..), erm I don't like yellow.
People are referring to mid 90's BMW 528's and Audi A8's as a point of reference - well the 528 was the same width as an A35 and in 528 guise had 25% lower power to weight, did nearly double the to 60mph time in auto guise and used 30% more fuel (I know, i had one) and the A8 chugged along with a 4 spd auto box and wasn't the most dynamically advanced car.
So there are references to cars from 1995. In 1995 you know what had the same 1500kg weight, 0-60 time, top speed and qtr mile time as the A35? Skyline GT-R.
No one was majoring on its 'fatness'. Or it's looks. Or it's dashboard (which was boring as anything Japanese of the time).
This is an amazing time for cars and were very lucky cars like the A35 exist - and it's not even the top of it's range.
Here's a regular, reliable, everyday family car that will affordable for quite a few that does 0-60 in sub 5 seconds, quarter mile in about, or just less than, 13 seconds, has 197bhp/tonne, does 35mpg, has 4wd and the latest autobox, weighs a fat adult more than a boggo toyota corolla and the criticism is, it's heavy, it's ugly (subjective..), erm I don't like yellow.
People are referring to mid 90's BMW 528's and Audi A8's as a point of reference - well the 528 was the same width as an A35 and in 528 guise had 25% lower power to weight, did nearly double the to 60mph time in auto guise and used 30% more fuel (I know, i had one) and the A8 chugged along with a 4 spd auto box and wasn't the most dynamically advanced car.
So there are references to cars from 1995. In 1995 you know what had the same 1500kg weight, 0-60 time, top speed and qtr mile time as the A35? Skyline GT-R.
No one was majoring on its 'fatness'. Or it's looks. Or it's dashboard (which was boring as anything Japanese of the time).
This is an amazing time for cars and were very lucky cars like the A35 exist - and it's not even the top of it's range.
Deep Thought said:
Having owned a track prepared 182 Cup, a 197, a 200 Cup and now we have an A45, AND we live very close to a motorbike road racing circuit here in NI which i know like the back of my hand, the A45 would wholly run rings round a 182 around it or on an A or B road. Totally in a different league. I expect this A35 to be VERY close to the old model A45 in terms of real world capability and thus well ahead of a 182, etc.
Yes, but while your Clios and A-Class shopping trolleys may live close to a motorbike road racing circuit how close can they get to the 2-wheel lap time?Sport220 said:
brightbluesmurf said:
That 1555kg kerb weight l guess is missing the EU driver and luggage weights of 68kg + 7kg so we're talking what 1630kg?
I'd hope that is EU kerb weight, so including 75kg + fluids + 90% fuel tank capacityMr Tidy said:
Deep Thought said:
Having owned a track prepared 182 Cup, a 197, a 200 Cup and now we have an A45, AND we live very close to a motorbike road racing circuit here in NI which i know like the back of my hand, the A45 would wholly run rings round a 182 around it or on an A or B road. Totally in a different league. I expect this A35 to be VERY close to the old model A45 in terms of real world capability and thus well ahead of a 182, etc.
Yes, but while your Clios and A-Class shopping trolleys may live close to a motorbike road racing circuit how close can they get to the 2-wheel lap time?
I'm crushed by your words on the internet! "Racing motor bikes go faster than our road cars around the track" Who'd have thought!
Edited by Deep Thought on Thursday 6th December 07:48
Edited by Deep Thought on Thursday 6th December 07:48
Article said:
AMG says it's a different beast to the A45 - this burgeoning sector of the market already has some really good options for a driving enthusiast, so offering first-gen-A45-like handling with less power would risk leaving AMG's new contender looking a little boring. "Fun" is a term in constant use at the A35's launch.
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