RE: Mercedes-AMG A35: Driven
Discussion
Resolutionary said:
Andy20vt said:
Wow, so a small hot hatchback with a tiny 2.0l engine that's actually 15kg heavier than the first generation Audi A8 executive saloon with it's 2.8l engine and roomy leather clad interior?
That's not progress! It's like adding roller blades to the fat kid at school who refuses to eliminate doughnuts from his training regime to make sure he still podiums in the 100m race come sports day.
Great comparison / anecdote!That's not progress! It's like adding roller blades to the fat kid at school who refuses to eliminate doughnuts from his training regime to make sure he still podiums in the 100m race come sports day.
J4CKO said:
tril said:
Never you mind said:
Gandahar said:
Great interior but with the Audi having that 2.5 litre which sounds great and can do 500 bhp and the BMW M2 competion which sounds ok and is 3.0 it does make you wonder how AMG can get a 2 litre to out do them in 2019 in the A45????
My first fast AMG was a C43. Apart from the blemish of a 3.2 V6 they went up to 5.5 and then 6.2 before settling down to a mere 5.5 turbo.
Now this mundane 2 litre 4 pot... hmmmm
That interior still looks good though.
Read somewhere the new A45 will be a hybrid but can't see that really either way it's over 400BHP, reported 0 - 60 time is less than 4 seconds, so quicker than the RS3 and M2. Should be a fun car when it arrives as the current one is a complete blast and I will be placing an order as soon as Merc let me.My first fast AMG was a C43. Apart from the blemish of a 3.2 V6 they went up to 5.5 and then 6.2 before settling down to a mere 5.5 turbo.
Now this mundane 2 litre 4 pot... hmmmm
That interior still looks good though.
Will be very interesting what BMW bring to the 4WD lunatic hatchback party, the outgoing M140i has 340 bhp and they have always had more power than the other stuff at the price point in the the class, but the S/GTI/AMG/M/m/RS lines are a bit blurred, power wise the M140 fits neatly between this and the A45, the S3 and the RS3, plus its different to them all being six cylinder and RWD, the new one wont be so different based on what I have heard on here.
I bet BMW Split the difference again, 350/360 bhp, leaving a gap to the proper M models seeing as the M2 has now gone over 400 bhp, am no fanboy but that will be the one to wait for if you have 30 odd grand to spend.
looks like a nice car...my only struggle with all AMG's is that, in nearly 10 years of doing track days, i have only ever seen two on track. These were a C63 at Snetterton and an AMG GT at Spa.
I am sure there are more that are used on track but it all seems a bit pointless to have all this performance confined to the road, where it cannot be exploited.
Why are there not more AMG's of any type used on track?
I am sure there are more that are used on track but it all seems a bit pointless to have all this performance confined to the road, where it cannot be exploited.
Why are there not more AMG's of any type used on track?
Itsallicanafford said:
Why are there not more AMG's of any type used on track?
I suspect there's a fair few reasons. Cost being the first. Of course it does depend on how deep your pockets are but I suspect many who buy an A45, C63 etc. are buying a car that's to their budget. They're not millionaires cars necessarily so to many, the idea of throwing their AMG round the track may be too risky.
Also, apart from the smaller more nimble AMGs like the A and C Class models, the others aren't really track focused. I have a CLS63, admittedly I bought it at 8 years old, yes it has great power but it's not cut out for a track day in my eyes.
I suspect as the prices of the A45 drop and the likes of this A35 being more accessible, there could be an increase in them at track days.
People seem to be getting very excited about the styling of the new A-class. I am obviously in the minority, because I think it looks a right mess. The rear end is really oddly proportioned. Not my cup of tea at all. My better half had a CLA and the interior felt lower quality than most Fords/Vauxhalls, so I really hope this one is a step up. It looks a bit tacky inside.
I'm sure it's a hugely capable and will be popular enough, but it's a no from me. I like my hot hatches to be a bit more edgy.
I'm sure it's a hugely capable and will be popular enough, but it's a no from me. I like my hot hatches to be a bit more edgy.
Alex_225 said:
Itsallicanafford said:
Why are there not more AMG's of any type used on track?
I suspect there's a fair few reasons. Cost being the first. Of course it does depend on how deep your pockets are but I suspect many who buy an A45, C63 etc. are buying a car that's to their budget. They're not millionaires cars necessarily so to many, the idea of throwing their AMG round the track may be too risky.
Also, apart from the smaller more nimble AMGs like the A and C Class models, the others aren't really track focused. I have a CLS63, admittedly I bought it at 8 years old, yes it has great power but it's not cut out for a track day in my eyes.
I suspect as the prices of the A45 drop and the likes of this A35 being more accessible, there could be an increase in them at track days.
I always got the impression the car went "Come on, get your foot down lets go, wahey, behold my magnificent V8"
And then arrived at a corner sort of half not expecting it, travelling at an inappropriate speed with limited ideas of how to get round other than give it a go and hope for the best, manage and then resolve not to do that again.
AMG may be better than my cooking 5.5, but it was only slightly retuned Airmatic so i cant imagine its night and day different, and imagine the tyre, brake and fuel bills !
Alex_225 said:
Itsallicanafford said:
Why are there not more AMG's of any type used on track?
I suspect there's a fair few reasons. Cost being the first. Of course it does depend on how deep your pockets are but I suspect many who buy an A45, C63 etc. are buying a car that's to their budget. They're not millionaires cars necessarily so to many, the idea of throwing their AMG round the track may be too risky.
Also, apart from the smaller more nimble AMGs like the A and C Class models, the others aren't really track focused. I have a CLS63, admittedly I bought it at 8 years old, yes it has great power but it's not cut out for a track day in my eyes.
I suspect as the prices of the A45 drop and the likes of this A35 being more accessible, there could be an increase in them at track days.
Jon_S_Rally said:
People seem to be getting very excited about the styling of the new A-class. I am obviously in the minority, because I think it looks a right mess. The rear end is really oddly proportioned. Not my cup of tea at all.
I really liked the look of the new A-class(especially compared to the old model) when I saw it in magazines/photos, but I looked around one in person last week and I found it very bland looking/unforgettable sadly. I did like the tech/interior and I think this will be a nice package overall though.
I must admit I'm very much in the "rather like it" camp and think it could be a great everyday car.
A real candidate to replace the wife's Golf R and biggest advantage over the Golf is the interior/tech for me. Yet to see one in the metal mind you so will have to reserve judgement.
Biggest issue will be trying to spec one with the options we want but keep below the £40K RFL threshold as you mainly have to go for packages rather than individual options.
A real candidate to replace the wife's Golf R and biggest advantage over the Golf is the interior/tech for me. Yet to see one in the metal mind you so will have to reserve judgement.
Biggest issue will be trying to spec one with the options we want but keep below the £40K RFL threshold as you mainly have to go for packages rather than individual options.
J4CKO said:
I would love to see a CLS at a track day, they do go round corners better than you would expect based on my experience but its not its natural habitat,
I always got the impression the car went "Come on, get your foot down lets go, wahey, behold my magnificent V8"
And then arrived at a corner sort of half not expecting it, travelling at an inappropriate speed with limited ideas of how to get round other than give it a go and hope for the best, manage and then resolve not to do that again.
AMG may be better than my cooking 5.5, but it was only slightly retuned Airmatic so i cant imagine its night and day different, and imagine the tyre, brake and fuel bills !
Have had my urgent E63s wagon out at Silverstone and Bedford. Lots of fun but heavy on pads and tyres.I always got the impression the car went "Come on, get your foot down lets go, wahey, behold my magnificent V8"
And then arrived at a corner sort of half not expecting it, travelling at an inappropriate speed with limited ideas of how to get round other than give it a go and hope for the best, manage and then resolve not to do that again.
AMG may be better than my cooking 5.5, but it was only slightly retuned Airmatic so i cant imagine its night and day different, and imagine the tyre, brake and fuel bills !
Had my CLS63 SBon a track too, sort of, at Bruntingthorpe. It was the fastest wagon at Vmax once upon a time
Did Silverstone and Bedord also in the GT which felt much better in that environment than it did on the road, to me at least.
Fast Bug said:
cayman-black said:
Does anyone know if you can order a LHD one of these from a UK Main Dealer?
No, or at least it wasn't possible last year. The factory isn't able to produce a UK spec left hand drive car sadly.Although i did not like these new Mercs dash at first they now make every other cars dash look really old imo.
Edited by cayman-black on Wednesday 5th December 18:15
Also, in the I think this looks and sounds great. (I like the areokit too). Really like our c43 but if this was around would have maybe gone for this. Realisticly it's all the performance you need and the tech and comfort makes easy to live with day to day. Only issue is most these hot hatches don't feel that special (like sports cars and some older cars do) otherwise this is objectively better than my 996 too.
Jon_S_Rally said:
People seem to be getting very excited about the styling of the new A-class. I am obviously in the minority, because I think it looks a right mess. The rear end is really oddly proportioned. Not my cup of tea at all. My better half had a CLA and the interior felt lower quality than most Fords/Vauxhalls, so I really hope this one is a step up. It looks a bit tacky inside.
I'm sure it's a hugely capable and will be popular enough, but it's a no from me. I like my hot hatches to be a bit more edgy.
A couple of months ago I test drove the a-class (in petrol amg-line guise) straight after a Ford Focus (stline X). They’re within £50 of each other and the Merc was a far, far nicer place to be. The Focus (although an improvement on the last) looked like parts of the interior (especially the door panels and instrumentation) were out of a 70s ford van.I'm sure it's a hugely capable and will be popular enough, but it's a no from me. I like my hot hatches to be a bit more edgy.
I didn’t like the tablet style dash in the new A Class when i first saw it.
Now i’ve seen a few it’s really grown on me. I think it makes the competition, including the virtual cockpit in the Audi A3, look very dated.
Still not sure on the exterior though.
Agree with some on here though, over 1500kg for a so called hot hatch is too much.
My old Evo 9 was 1400kg, was also 4wd and was the size of a 3 series BMW of the same vintage.
With modern materials technology i don’t see any reason why a car of this type should be so heavy.
Now i’ve seen a few it’s really grown on me. I think it makes the competition, including the virtual cockpit in the Audi A3, look very dated.
Still not sure on the exterior though.
Agree with some on here though, over 1500kg for a so called hot hatch is too much.
My old Evo 9 was 1400kg, was also 4wd and was the size of a 3 series BMW of the same vintage.
With modern materials technology i don’t see any reason why a car of this type should be so heavy.
Evening Everyone
I have owned a non facelift and currently own FL A45 so 4 years of Ownership
The A45 is very capable car but as stated the RS3 is differnt beast i.e Faster
I have been on number runs and it punches above its weight especially in the wet
Just fitted pilot sports and makes a difference
The Clio would get destroyed because of the traction and power it would be in the ditch after 3rd bend.
On a run this year Fiat 500 Abarth was following me and was amazed by the roadholding
So I would recomend a test drive before passing judgement
I have owned a non facelift and currently own FL A45 so 4 years of Ownership
The A45 is very capable car but as stated the RS3 is differnt beast i.e Faster
I have been on number runs and it punches above its weight especially in the wet
Just fitted pilot sports and makes a difference
The Clio would get destroyed because of the traction and power it would be in the ditch after 3rd bend.
On a run this year Fiat 500 Abarth was following me and was amazed by the roadholding
So I would recomend a test drive before passing judgement
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