RE: Electrified DB6 previews reversible EV powertrain

RE: Electrified DB6 previews reversible EV powertrain

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cookie1600

1,263 posts

106 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Don Colione said:
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You're showing me the underneath of the Aston Martin Rapide E from this article:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/12/introducing-rapi...

Why??

I want to see how they've packaged an electric power pack and motor into a classic Aston, allowing it to be turned back to a petrol engined car at any point.

BTW, that picture reminds me of those things you used to stick your feet in at Clarks, to see how your shoes fitted!


Davo456gt

652 posts

94 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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this idea has been around for a while,

found these a while back.. http://www.everything-ev.com/index.php?main_page=i...

they convert Peugeot 107, Citroen C1, 2CV, old beetles and Toyota Aygo's from £4.5k+VAT

ash73

16,506 posts

166 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Why on earth would anyone convert a C1/Aygo to an EV? It costs buttons and is so fuel efficient I suspect there may be a petrol refinery in the boot!

Olivergt

224 posts

26 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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There doesn't seem to be anything official on the Web from Aston Martin? Which is odd and the photos, don't seem to provide any real indication that it is electric (still has exhausts etc).

And for those questioning the reversibility, my understanding is this is the same as the Range Rover that was electrified a while back, the electric motor drives through the original gearbox and diff, batteries can also be under the bonnet or in the boot.

The biggest issue with making it reversible like this are the losses through the gearbox and differential, which makes them not the best for range.

Wasn't one of the Wheeler Dealer cars converted like this as well? Maserati Bi Turbo if I remember correctly.

Why not just make an electric replica? You get all the benefits of modern engineering and battery packaging, but in an old fashioned shell.

Don Colione

90 posts

21 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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cookie1600 said:
You're showing me the underneath of the Aston Martin Rapide E from this article:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/12/introducing-rapi...

Why??

I want to see how they've packaged an electric power pack and motor into a classic Aston, allowing it to be turned back to a petrol engined car at any point.

BTW, that picture reminds me of those things you used to stick your feet in at Clarks, to see how your shoes fitted!
The first picture - You said, "Not one picture anywhere on the interwebs (that I can find) which shows the actual electrickery installation.

I call hoax!!!"

I showed you one, which I wasn't even trying to find - Then you moved the goalposts, "And what? That shows me nothing about the motor and battery pack arrangement. Even I could rig that photo up without using photoshop." ..... Make a believer out of me...

Re: The first pic... The reflection of the electronic charger and cord on the car would take a proverbial picasso of photoshop to pull off, so im thinking its real. I would love to see you "rig that photo up without using photoshop"!

If you said it was a fake charging port or something, it would have made more sense...



The second pic is what Aston is using to "prove" this tech is feasible for now... I think it is the best indicator of "reality" we have coming from them at this moment.

Not my cup of tea, but imo you can't really call a "hoax" without some kind of plausible evidence; especially when there still may be evidence contrary to your conclusions.

cookie1600

1,263 posts

106 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Don Colione said:
but imo you can't really call a "hoax" without some kind of plausible evidence; especially when there still may be evidence contrary to your conclusions.
Then Aston would surely want to show us how clever they've been packaging new technology into a classic car and how they've done that to make it reversible?

Sticking an electric charging probe into the hole where you put petrol, doesn't show us anything about the USP of this conversion, it doesn't even confirm it actually exists as this point.

300bhp/ton

37,268 posts

135 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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article said:
Once in place, umbilical cords from the power unit feed the car's electrical systems, with power management operated via a dedicated screen in the cabin.
I can't seem to see the screen in this shot? Maybe it's under the seat...


baconsarney

9,059 posts

106 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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It’s next to the machine gun trigger ffs.... are you blind?

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thegreenhell

6,108 posts

164 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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300bhp/ton said:
article said:
Once in place, umbilical cords from the power unit feed the car's electrical systems, with power management operated via a dedicated screen in the cabin.
I can't seem to see the screen in this shot? Maybe it's under the seat...

It must be one of those hidden screens like 007 had for his tracking device.


Cold

7,347 posts

35 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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The Surveyor said:
Concentrate on launching those then and stop pratting about in the past.
When you're CEO of Aston Martin you can choose how to run the company. Until then you'll just have to look on in puzzlement. thumbup

The Surveyor

6,819 posts

182 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Cold said:
The Surveyor said:
Concentrate on launching those then and stop pratting about in the past.
When you're CEO of Aston Martin you can choose how to run the company. Until then you'll just have to look on in puzzlement. thumbup
Or choose not to buy another Aston Martin because I don't like the direction the brand is going thumbup

Cold

7,347 posts

35 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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The Surveyor said:
Or choose not to buy another Aston Martin because I don't like the direction the brand is going thumbup
So you're not going to buy a new DBS Superleggera because AM are offering the option of putting batteries into a 50 year old DB6. That's some joined-up-thinking grudge.

Jonesy23

3,917 posts

81 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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I can sort of see the point in doing this.

What I can't see - unless there are a very specific set of circumstances - is why would you do this now?

Given the rate of development of the various bits you'll just be 'future proofing' your car with stuff that will become horribly obsolete. Assume it wasn't already obsolete before it got to you.

Better to wait and get the advantage of the later batteries, motors and control gear as and when a conversion becomes more of a necessity.

romac

86 posts

91 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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chickensoup said:
great set of pictures in the article
Could take any classic, park it in an EV bay and claim to have reinvented the wheel
I see a market for fake electrical connectors on cars, especially classics, so vital car parking spots can be reclaimed. Mebbe Noel will get one on his routemaster. scratchchin

Gliaviate

23 posts

92 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Shouldn't they have completed the development and fitted it with driverless technology?evilevil

williamp

16,577 posts

218 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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300bhp/ton said:
article said:
Once in place, umbilical cords from the power unit feed the car's electrical systems, with power management operated via a dedicated screen in the cabin.
I can't seem to see the screen in this shot? Maybe it's under the seat...


Aston works do a neat trick with a fake speaker grill below the radio, which can fold down and show sat nav. It'd be easy to hide it there. Other speakers hidden in the doors, footwells etc. Its a very neat instalation

Distraxi

35 posts

84 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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unpc said:
A better bet would be to choose something that was either a) majored on refinement and silence or b) had a st engine in the first place.

Something like a 420G or an early XJ or a Silver Shadow would make more sense to get the EV treatment or even the MG that the other poster mentioned.
Exactly. There's any number of classics which wouldn't be harmed - or would even be improved - by an EV conversion. The DS is the other one which comes to mind: electrickification would enhance the 1950s spaceship vibe no end, and the original engine's not exactly its standout feature.

Unfortunately, few to none of those are expensive enough to create a market for a drivetrain.

DEAN7231

17 posts

31 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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Especailly as they do about 100 miles a year.LOL.

oilit

773 posts

123 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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In the same way that Aston don't build boats or hotels, I wonder if this is some company that has got AML approval to market a kit - which like some of the work performed by AMWS on restorations will be outsourced.

or, if we want to go all in on conspiracy theories:

It's a mule - underneath its really a RapidE with a fibreglass db6 body and associaed bits on it .... not)

Edited by oilit on Thursday 6th December 10:11

Fire99

9,633 posts

174 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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What I don't entirely get is if you're going to take the full engine and gearbox out (and no doubt fuel tank etc...) you're effectively left with a bodyshell, some antiquated suspension & brakes (unless that is going to be changed due to the performance difference of the EV) and some basic interior parts..

So taking it a step forward, the engine and gearbox have gone, the suspension and brakes are gone too due to the performance / dynamic differences of the new powertrain, why not just build a flamin' kit car and make it electric? I'd question how much historic Aston Martin remains in this 'historic' Aston Martin, and is it enough to warrant the overall cost of this mission?