RE: Cosworth's 1000hp 6.5-litre V12: PH Meets
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NFC 85 Vette said:
Lambo FirstBlood said:
Not sure it’s as much as that. Isn’t it 1000 bhp including the electric assistance?
It’s no less impressive though.
It was dnyo'd at 1000hp (986bhp) in N/A form, the hybrid hardware has yet to be added. It would be something in the region of 1130bhp eventually, once the ERS kit is added (batteries from Rimac IIRC).It’s no less impressive though.
old'uns said:
anyone care to guess how many more the 25 run of PRO cars will add to the 1100+ ? or do we think that's the ceiling for the 'last hurrah' for NA engines?
Complete guess but I reckon it will 5-10% more powerful, but lighter and more track focused. And yes, I do think that will be the swan song for all NA engines. Not a bad way to bow out!
wormus said:
I don’t get it, if an engine’s job is to power a car, why not do it in the simplest way possible?
A GM LSA V8 with a pair of turbos will make more power than this with very little effort, last longer and cost way less. Seems little point to this engine IMHO.
A GM LSA V8 with a pair of turbos will make more power than this with very little effort, last longer and cost way less. Seems little point to this engine IMHO.
Not again! Give it a rest fella.
wormus said:
I don’t get it, if an engine’s job is to power a car, why not do it in the simplest way possible?
A GM LSA V8 with a pair of turbos will make more power than this with very little effort, last longer and cost way less. Seems little point to this engine IMHO.
Hmm, not sure if you’re serious or not and want avoid a whooshing parrot!A GM LSA V8 with a pair of turbos will make more power than this with very little effort, last longer and cost way less. Seems little point to this engine IMHO.
wormus said:
I don’t get it, if an engine’s job is to power a car, why not do it in the simplest way possible?
A GM LSA V8 with a pair of turbos will make more power than this with very little effort, last longer and cost way less. Seems little point to this engine IMHO.
I'm sure there are many reasons. If it were heavily turbocharged then it wouldn't have anything like the response of a NA unit. It may well be heavier and packaging may be harder. Might weigh more. A GM LSA V8 with a pair of turbos will make more power than this with very little effort, last longer and cost way less. Seems little point to this engine IMHO.
Could be a number of reasons, but you have a great idea. Maybe you should send your CV into Aston Martin, Cosworth and the secretary of Adrian Newey.
E65Ross said:
wormus said:
I don’t get it, if an engine’s job is to power a car, why not do it in the simplest way possible?
A GM LSA V8 with a pair of turbos will make more power than this with very little effort, last longer and cost way less. Seems little point to this engine IMHO.
I'm sure there are many reasons. If it were heavily turbocharged then it wouldn't have anything like the response of a NA unit. It may well be heavier and packaging may be harder. Might weigh more. A GM LSA V8 with a pair of turbos will make more power than this with very little effort, last longer and cost way less. Seems little point to this engine IMHO.
Could be a number of reasons, but you have a great idea. Maybe you should send your CV into Aston Martin, Cosworth and the secretary of Adrian Newey.
Must be a wind up ?
Exige77 said:
The Wormus post can’t be serious surely ?
Must be a wind up ?
Why? Because I suggest a viable alternative? Fact is it’s not a terribly impressive engine for that output vs capacity. Sorry.Must be a wind up ?
You lot sound like new money. Look at what’s already out there. Christ I already have over 800hp in my old Aussie Vauxhall!
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 15th December 02:04
wormus said:
I don’t get it, if an engine’s job is to power a car, why not do it in the simplest way possible?
A GM LSA V8 with a pair of turbos will make more power than this with very little effort, last longer and cost way less. Seems little point to this engine IMHO.
Probably not going to meet emissions requirements, will be impossible to package the two turbos/intercoolers/pipework to work with the aero heavy design, and it certainly isn't designed to work as a stressed member so the car would split in two.A GM LSA V8 with a pair of turbos will make more power than this with very little effort, last longer and cost way less. Seems little point to this engine IMHO.
and how many engines have you been through, Mr old money (wtf?)?wormus said:
Exige77 said:
The Wormus post can’t be serious surely ?
Must be a wind up ?
Why? Because I suggest a viable alternative? Fact is it’s not a terribly impressive engine for that output vs capacity. Sorry.Must be a wind up ?
You lot sound like new money. Look at what’s already out there. Christ I already have over 800hp in my old Aussie Vauxhall!
Edited by wormus on Saturday 15th December 02:04
Whose going to pay £2M for a hot rod ?
It has to be something special for that money and to be a halo model for a long established luxury brand.
Turbo crate engine is just “functional” and not “special”.
I’d stick with your Moded Vauxhall.
How much do you think it will be worth in 5 years ?
Exige77 said:
I think you are not their target customer
Whose going to pay £2M for a hot rod ?
It has to be something special for that money and to be a halo model for a long established luxury brand.
Turbo crate engine is just “functional” and not “special”.
I’d stick with your Moded Vauxhall.
How much do you think it will be worth in 5 years ?
I suspect you’re not their target customer either Whose going to pay £2M for a hot rod ?
It has to be something special for that money and to be a halo model for a long established luxury brand.
Turbo crate engine is just “functional” and not “special”.
I’d stick with your Moded Vauxhall.
How much do you think it will be worth in 5 years ?
Don’t see what the value of my car has to do with this discussion but seeing as you ask, Monaros are increasing in value and have been for some time so I think the answer is “more than it is now”.
wormus said:
Exige77 said:
I think you are not their target customer
Whose going to pay £2M for a hot rod ?
It has to be something special for that money and to be a halo model for a long established luxury brand.
Turbo crate engine is just “functional” and not “special”.
I’d stick with your Moded Vauxhall.
How much do you think it will be worth in 5 years ?
I suspect you’re not their target customer either Whose going to pay £2M for a hot rod ?
It has to be something special for that money and to be a halo model for a long established luxury brand.
Turbo crate engine is just “functional” and not “special”.
I’d stick with your Moded Vauxhall.
How much do you think it will be worth in 5 years ?
Don’t see what the value of my car has to do with this discussion but seeing as you ask, Monaros are increasing in value and have been for some time so I think the answer is “more than it is now”.
Creating something special. Something unique only a handful of people can enjoy.
I have my own hot rod to enjoy but sadly, even though values are rising, tunning it up has reduced its value.
Something already great from the factory will always be worth more than a tunnel up version.
Exige77 said:
If I had £2M to blow on a hyper car, I would be exactly their target customer as I can see the “value” in what they are doing.
Creating something special. Something unique only a handful of people can enjoy.
I have my own hot rod to enjoy but sadly, even though values are rising, tunning it up has reduced its value.
Something already great from the factory will always be worth more than a tunnel up version.
I don’t disagree and back on topic, it’s an exotic, bespoke engine with impressive output for NA vs capacity, just saying it would have been easier with a bit of forced induction. I do appreciate it but I’d be more interested by what it’s going into. Creating something special. Something unique only a handful of people can enjoy.
I have my own hot rod to enjoy but sadly, even though values are rising, tunning it up has reduced its value.
Something already great from the factory will always be worth more than a tunnel up version.
E65Ross said:
I'm sure there are many reasons. If it were heavily turbocharged then it wouldn't have anything like the response of a NA unit. It may well be heavier and packaging may be harder. Might weigh more.
Could be a number of reasons, but you have a great idea. Maybe you should send your CV into Aston Martin, Cosworth and the secretary of Adrian Newey.
as this is the pet project of a certain Mr Newey i'm sure we all know where he stands on weight, packaging and turbo engines?Could be a number of reasons, but you have a great idea. Maybe you should send your CV into Aston Martin, Cosworth and the secretary of Adrian Newey.
wormus said:
I don’t disagree and back on topic, it’s an exotic, bespoke engine with impressive output for NA vs capacity, just saying it would have been easier with a bit of forced induction. I do appreciate it but I’d be more interested by what it’s going into.
of course it would have been easier, but that's hardly the point is itcheating air pumps make any engine more powerful
this one does without them
and makes California emissions
and lasts 100K whilst acting as a stressed member
plus the customer did not want a 2 valve pushrod with a couple of whooshers bolted on
they wanted and got something utterly bespoke and special
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