Which company do you think produce the best petrol engines?
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Hi all,
Just interested to hear your thoughts on this subject in regards to more every day companies like Ford, Mercedes, toyota/lexus not Ferrari for example.
We can divide it into sections. i.e best petrol turbo engine 1.2 and below, 1.3-1.6,1.7-2.0. I'm thinking engines in these ranges as most every day companies produce engines upto 2.0. I'm not really looking for answers beyond that.
Just interested to hear your thoughts on this subject in regards to more every day companies like Ford, Mercedes, toyota/lexus not Ferrari for example.
We can divide it into sections. i.e best petrol turbo engine 1.2 and below, 1.3-1.6,1.7-2.0. I'm thinking engines in these ranges as most every day companies produce engines upto 2.0. I'm not really looking for answers beyond that.
From mainstream brands I would have to say BMW or VAG. Toyota used to be up there but they seem to have given up on producing interesting cars or engines so not any more.
Then again how you define best is fairly important, is it performance, efficiency, driveability or reliability? I certainly wouldn't rate BMW or VAG as best if reliability is the metric.
Then again how you define best is fairly important, is it performance, efficiency, driveability or reliability? I certainly wouldn't rate BMW or VAG as best if reliability is the metric.
TDilover said:
Hi all,
Just interested to hear your thoughts on this subject in regards to more every day companies like Ford, Mercedes, toyota/lexus not Ferrari for example.
We can divide it into sections. i.e best petrol turbo engine 1.2 and below, 1.3-1.6,1.7-2.0. I'm thinking engines in these ranges as most every day companies produce engines upto 2.0. I'm not really looking for answers beyond that.
Depends entirely on what the engine is for tbh. All companies have ability to make good or less good engines. Plus many are shared across brands and even car makers.Just interested to hear your thoughts on this subject in regards to more every day companies like Ford, Mercedes, toyota/lexus not Ferrari for example.
We can divide it into sections. i.e best petrol turbo engine 1.2 and below, 1.3-1.6,1.7-2.0. I'm thinking engines in these ranges as most every day companies produce engines upto 2.0. I'm not really looking for answers beyond that.
However for mass market engine production you probably have a long way to go to look past the Chevy or Chrysler V8 ranges. Small, compact, powerful, efficient, low cost, reliable, durable. Really what isn't there to love about them?
Both engine ranges are also used in a wide array of vehicles, different displacements and power outputs.
Dannbodge said:
It's got to be VAG/BMW
No, it really doesn’t. VAG in particular make some of the worst 4 cylinder engines in history and most of those in past 20 years have been diesels. W12 notwithstanding. Anyone remember the BMW vanos disaster or the unreliable V10 bearings? I put forward the GM LS series V8 as a proper engine. Powerful, fuel efficient, simple, cheap, reliable and very, very tuneable. Most will make 700hp with a bolt on supercharger and that’s without the fabulous V8 noise. You can also swap one for another as they are all the same basic architecture.
Not like the usual German whip fanboy rubbish!
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 12th December 15:42
wormus said:
No, it really doesn’t. VAG in particular make some of the worst 4 cylinder engines in history and most of those in past 20 years have been diesels. W12 notwithstanding. Anyone remember the BMW vanos disaster or the unreliable V10 bearings?
I put forward the GM LS series V8 as a proper engine. Powerful, fuel efficient, simple, cheap, reliable and very, very tuneable. Most will make 700hp with a bolt on supercharger and that’s without the fabulous V8 noise. You can also swap one for another as they are all the same basic architecture.
Not like the usual German whip fanboy rubbish!
Exactly.I put forward the GM LS series V8 as a proper engine. Powerful, fuel efficient, simple, cheap, reliable and very, very tuneable. Most will make 700hp with a bolt on supercharger and that’s without the fabulous V8 noise. You can also swap one for another as they are all the same basic architecture.
Not like the usual German whip fanboy rubbish!
Edited by wormus on Wednesday 12th December 15:42
Too many PH'ers are limited to the Ford/Vauxhall/French -> BMW/VAG upgrade path, and stay there. Never to venture anywhere else to form a well rounded opinion on what makes a great petrol engine.
No one in their right mind who has driven cars with N/A or forced induction V6s, V8s, V10s, V12 would decide to pick a poxy motor from a remapped 335i or a Golf GTi over these.
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