Which company do you think produce the best petrol engines?

[Shiv_P]

Dannbodge said:

It's got to be VAG/BMW

IMO certainly not BMW. Every recent 4 pot (which is what OP asks for really) they have f'ed up it seems, what with recalls and timing chain problems and none of them I can think of are actually any better than competitors

I reckon for 4 pots honda B and K series?

[anonymous-user]

DoubleD said:

TwinExit said:

DoubleD said:

Might be worth you having a glance at the 1st post

Why have you decided to single out my post?

The subject has veered towards engines of various capacities and configuration.

I quoted you both because you were both talking about large V8s V12s when this thread is about much smaller engines. And yes other may also have not read the OP.

The Vambo said:

I raise you the LS engines.

Thornaby said:

Audi 5 pot

lornemalvo said:

The Lexus V8 engine

The Vambo said:

Read the title.

That’s the wonderful thing about he internet - we can ignore you and talk about the things that interest us. So tough luck!

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 12th December 21:13

[fatboy b]

Leon R said:

fatboy b said:

Is that the most recalls?

Yes that and the 60 + international engine of the year awards they have won.

Righto.

An international engine of the year award doesn’t mean they don’t go wrong, ‘cos they do.

[Graveworm]

TDilover said:

Hi all,

Just interested to hear your thoughts on this subject in regards to more every day companies like Ford, Mercedes, toyota/lexus not Ferrari for example.
We can divide it into sections. i.e best petrol turbo engine 1.2 and below, 1.3-1.6,1.7-2.0. I'm thinking engines in these ranges as most every day companies produce engines upto 2.0. I'm not really looking for answers beyond that.

For 2.0L. The AMG45 has astonishing numbers for a production 2.0, but is still really driveable. Already the most powerful and next years will have 400bhp. Has to be up there. Honda Vtec especially the new one in the Civic are also excellent. .

Edited by Graveworm on Wednesday 12th December 21:53

[ericmcn]

ElectricPics said:

Perhaps 20 years ago, and I'd include Mercedes in that.

If you want reliability, power and longevity you can't go past the Japanese, particularly Toyota/Lexus and Honda.

Subaru also make fine engines, of the NA variety anyway



Also a fan of these 2 engines.

Lexus ISF



CL55 Supercharger

[steve-5snwi]

For small capacity i'd go with the 1.0 Ecoboost, for something old the 1.7 yamaha lump out of the Puma, the K series for all its faults is a very good engine, Honda and Toyota need to be in there for the revtastic engines they produce.

Modern wise, the 1.6 shared between Mini and PSA, its characterful and produces some very good figures.

[Red 4]

Blanchimont said:

Honda's K20 isn't a bad engine.

8k RPM, can take a fk tonne of abuse. Breathing Mods can do 250hp, and boosted can take double the standard output (and then some) on standard internals and still take a bashing and not break.

They like a drink, and need regular oil top ups.

I will see your K20 and raise you an F20C.

[HannsG]

BMW - Have driven high capacity inline-6 engines for over 10 years.

Tremendous. The E92 V8. Stunning....

I am doing Mercedes an injustice probably as I have not driven enough of them.

[Vimes]

alfie2244 said:

Honda B series.............end of

This!

The end

Close thread.

[DoubleD]

wormus said:

DoubleD said:

TwinExit said:

DoubleD said:

Might be worth you having a glance at the 1st post

Why have you decided to single out my post?

The subject has veered towards engines of various capacities and configuration.

I quoted you both because you were both talking about large V8s V12s when this thread is about much smaller engines. And yes other may also have not read the OP.

The Vambo said:

I raise you the LS engines.

Thornaby said:

Audi 5 pot

lornemalvo said:

The Lexus V8 engine

The Vambo said:

Read the title.

That’s the wonderful thing about he internet - we can ignore you and talk about the things that interest us. So tough luck!

Edited by wormus on Wednesday 12th December 21:13

The problem is that every thread ends up being the same

[drd63]

If only for the fact it has a name, not a number I put forward the V8 Coyote currently fitted to the Mustang. That aside it’s a pretty good engine, very tuneable, strong and reliable. The Vodoo engine in the 350R Mustang (I think) worthy of a mention too.

[Glasgowrob]

left field choice . mazda with their new skyactiv -x lump . just because they've went down a totally different route to the rest and have stuck to their guns

that and numerous rotary lumps over the years.



and err merc, M156 and 159

100bhp/litre 8000 rpm redline, and quite possibly the best sounding lump that will be listed here.

also have a big soft spot for the m276 v12 bi turbo

saying either 6.0l . v12 . or bi turbo means you have something interesting . all 3..............

[Black_S3]

I've always had the general opinion that Merc produces cars that handle extremely poorly but are second to none when it comes to engines, especially the stuff AMG get their hands on..... No justification for any of that, never driven one and the only ones I've been in were probably taxis.

[Justin Case]

Mazda petrol engines with their SkyActiv technology are probably as technically advanced as any and appear to give excllent performance, economy and emissions

[300bhp/ton]

drd63 said:

If only for the fact it has a name, not a number I put forward the V8 Coyote currently fitted to the Mustang. That aside it’s a pretty good engine, very tuneable, strong and reliable. The Vodoo engine in the 350R Mustang (I think) worthy of a mention too.

The Ford isn’t a bad engine. But it’s longer, wider, taller and heavier than the engines from GM and Chrysler. But doesn’t seem to offer any benefits really. The flat plane crank version is pretty cool though.

[PorkRind]

wormus said:

No, it really doesn’t. VAG in particular make some of the worst 4 cylinder engines in history and most of those in past 20 years have been diesels. W12 notwithstanding. Anyone remember the BMW vanos disaster or the unreliable V10 bearings?

I put forward the GM LS series V8 as a proper engine. Powerful, fuel efficient, simple, cheap, reliable and very, very tuneable. Most will make 700hp with a bolt on supercharger and that’s without the fabulous V8 noise. You can also swap one for another as they are all the same basic architecture.

Not like the usual German whip fanboy rubbish!

Edited by wormus on Wednesday 12th December 15:42

This plus the g463 and the skyline engine.. Both take serious tuning before they need much doing to them. Lets admit it, some car manufacturers have made some amazing engines and conversely poor engines over their time.

[DukeDickson]

Leon R said:

BMW wins a lot of awards with their engines.

Aside from the piss on the block F1 special, I wouldn't hold BMW as a particularly special producer of 2l & down engines.

When they can be arsed, and/or the right person is in charge, I'll take the Honda card , though would still like it to be N/A.

[Mr Tidy]

The timeline has to be a factor.

1970s Fiat Lampredi engines and Alfas of that era were way ahead of the Ford Pinto and MG B-Series boat anchors!

But right now I don't think anyone makes anything that special - everything seems to need a turbo.

Although the BMW S54 was pretty special in it's day.

[rscott]

Mr Tidy said:

The timeline has to be a factor.

1970s Fiat Lampredi engines and Alfas of that era were way ahead of the Ford Pinto and MG B-Series boat anchors!

But right now I don't think anyone makes anything that special - everything seems to need a turbo.

Although the BMW S54 was pretty special in it's day.

Best small non-turbo engines produced today might well be the SkyActiv units in many Mazda. They're efficient, clean and have decent delivery.

[Leon R]

fatboy b said:

Righto.

An international engine of the year award doesn’t mean they don’t go wrong, ‘cos they do.

I didn't claim that but don't think that reliability is synonymous with best either.

DukeDickson said:

Aside from the piss on the block F1 special, I wouldn't hold BMW as a particularly special producer of 2l & down engines.

When they can be arsed, and/or the right person is in charge, I'll take the Honda card , though would still like it to be N/A.

That is a good point, to be honest I didn't read the OP very well as I didn't even notice the 2L and down until a second reading.
Porsche and Mercedes have some special 2.0's at the moment.