RE: Porsche 718 T Boxster and Cayman - official
Discussion
I really like the Cayman, nice size and classic curvy lines, possibly the best looking sports car on the market in my opinion and seem to be a good drive. I'm not against the idea of this being 4 cylinder as such, plenty of past 4 cylinder Porsche's, but if it were my money being spent I'd want to stretch to the 6 pot if at all possible. That said, for me the performance on offer here is ample for a road car, if I had a Cayman in the garage I don't see myself wanting/needing more.
Mannginger said:
Such a shame they sound so uninspiring
Ha... you have to put more effort in.I guess the 2 liter T is the best thing for public roads. A 911 is just too quick and the 718 GTS I drove was all I ever wanted. Except the red tagline that kept me from keeping my licence: I just could not reach it often enough.
And then the rumble gets boring...
PaulD86 said:
The road to the Quiraing really is pretty. Car looks decent too. It'll probably be brilliant to dirve - the 718 and 718S are both superb drivers cars. But the engine. If it was slotted into a Focus ST I'd call it very good. In a Cayman.... absolutely not. It's a hot hatch engine in a sports car.
Maybe pay Litchfield a visit then...dinkel said:
Ha... you have to put more effort in.
I guess the 2 liter T is the best thing for public roads. A 911 is just too quick and the 718 GTS I drove was all I ever wanted. Except the red tagline that kept me from keeping my licence: I just could not reach it often enough.
And then the rumble gets boring...
To be fair I find it difficult to recall a car which doesn't attract cliched criticisms on here these days. I guess the 2 liter T is the best thing for public roads. A 911 is just too quick and the 718 GTS I drove was all I ever wanted. Except the red tagline that kept me from keeping my licence: I just could not reach it often enough.
And then the rumble gets boring...
dinkel said:
PaulD86 said:
The road to the Quiraing really is pretty. Car looks decent too. It'll probably be brilliant to dirve - the 718 and 718S are both superb drivers cars. But the engine. If it was slotted into a Focus ST I'd call it very good. In a Cayman.... absolutely not. It's a hot hatch engine in a sports car.
Maybe pay Litchfield a visit then...PaulD86 said:
But the engine. If it was slotted into a Focus ST I'd call it very good. In a Cayman.... absolutely not. It's a hot hatch engine in a sports car.
I don't want to sound like some kind of Porsche apologist, but that arguement doesn't hold much water as far as I can see. It's a flat 4 for starters, purposely designed by Porsche for this car. As I'm sure you are aware, there is a long history of smaller displacement 4 cylinder european sports cars from the likes of Porsche, Lotus, MG, and many others.Edited by MX6 on Wednesday 19th December 10:08
“You knew this was coming, right? The 911 Carrera T was well received, the Cayman T badge had been rumoured, and Porsche does like to occupy a niche.“
I think the author should have more accurately said ‘Porsche does like to create a niche’
Like the 911T they have created a vehicle there was no real need for - a base model, remove certain trim options that reduce a few kgs weight (that can be optioned back in to add that weight) give it some of the kit from the more powerful models and charge nearly as much - costs more for less !
Ask yourself the question, in 5 years time is a Cayman or Boxster T the secondhand Porsche you will be desperate to find .....?
I’m Ooot
PS. I do own a 993 so have more than a passing interest in Porsche sports cars
I think the author should have more accurately said ‘Porsche does like to create a niche’
Like the 911T they have created a vehicle there was no real need for - a base model, remove certain trim options that reduce a few kgs weight (that can be optioned back in to add that weight) give it some of the kit from the more powerful models and charge nearly as much - costs more for less !
Ask yourself the question, in 5 years time is a Cayman or Boxster T the secondhand Porsche you will be desperate to find .....?
I’m Ooot
PS. I do own a 993 so have more than a passing interest in Porsche sports cars
MX6 said:
PaulD86 said:
But the engine. If it was slotted into a Focus ST I'd call it very good. In a Cayman.... absolutely not. It's a hot hatch engine in a sports car.
I don't want to sound like some kind of Porsche apologist, but that arguement holds much water as far as I can see. It's a flat 4 for starters, purposely designed by Porsche for this car. As I'm sure you are aware, there is a long history of smaller displacement 4 cylinder european sports cars from the likes of Porsche, Lotus, MG, and many others.Before I drove any of them I reserved judgement and actually really wanted the negative press around the new engines to be unkind or unfair. I wanted to like the new engines. Sad to say that even as a Porsche fan (we have 2 in the household - both NA) I just don't like the new engines at all. And that's nothing to do with history.
On the face of it, it seems a little expensive for what it is, but I can see that it will appeal to some people for sure. It offers the chassis of the GTS on the base engine, which was previously not a combination you could have.
You can poo poo the engine all you want, but in all honesty, both this and the 2.5 are great engines. Many positive things would be written about them if they were in any other car (let’s not forget the Alpine also has a 4 banger in the middle). I was as skeptical as anyone else about the sound, and yes, of course it’s not as pleasing to listen to as the old 6 pot, but it is a lot more flexible, more torquey, more powerful and more responsive than the old 3.4 F6. They’ve done a great job.
So if you accept the engine, it’s basically a less powerful GTS for £20k less. You could reasonable have one for £10k down and £500 a month. Which is M2 Comp money....only you won’t be burning £20k once you drive it out of the showroom
You can poo poo the engine all you want, but in all honesty, both this and the 2.5 are great engines. Many positive things would be written about them if they were in any other car (let’s not forget the Alpine also has a 4 banger in the middle). I was as skeptical as anyone else about the sound, and yes, of course it’s not as pleasing to listen to as the old 6 pot, but it is a lot more flexible, more torquey, more powerful and more responsive than the old 3.4 F6. They’ve done a great job.
So if you accept the engine, it’s basically a less powerful GTS for £20k less. You could reasonable have one for £10k down and £500 a month. Which is M2 Comp money....only you won’t be burning £20k once you drive it out of the showroom
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