RE: Porsche 718 T Boxster and Cayman - official
Discussion
Prestonese said:
CanAm said:
I'm neutral and like both cars, but I heard a dreadful sound behind me in a car park last week and was dismayed to see that it was a 718 Cayman. 
I actually don't think the 718 sounds that bad. Funnily enough my wife thought they sound like tractors but we disagree on many things!The 718 sound is not as great as the 981 for sure but I don't dislike it as much as others on here.
To be fair, the A110 doesn't sound that great to me in sports / track mode on the upshifts but all the owners I've met have polarised opinions on this point.
Prestonese said:
What is almost never mentioned anywhere is the 981 Boxster GTS weighed c. 1345kg. So the F4T package is actually heavier than the F6.
I've found numerous and repeated references to 1420kg for the 981 gts. Sorry but I'd say it's impossible that it gained 50kg whilst losing two cylinders. I am currently considering a 718 s ,personally I don't much care about the engines sound track ,and yes I have owned some fine sounding
cars,probably the best being a aifa sz with a sports exhaust spine tingling but alas not particularly quick .my last car was a noble m12 stage 2 tuned and about 420 bhp it in truth even with a free flow exhaust didn't sound all that special ,but I cant say it bothered me ,I spent most of my five years of owner ship simply being staggered by the performance ! and yes I know the cayman wont even compare in performance ,but I personaly think porche have nailed the looks ,and you never know I might just drive around at less than 100 miles an hour ,only joking of course
cars,probably the best being a aifa sz with a sports exhaust spine tingling but alas not particularly quick .my last car was a noble m12 stage 2 tuned and about 420 bhp it in truth even with a free flow exhaust didn't sound all that special ,but I cant say it bothered me ,I spent most of my five years of owner ship simply being staggered by the performance ! and yes I know the cayman wont even compare in performance ,but I personaly think porche have nailed the looks ,and you never know I might just drive around at less than 100 miles an hour ,only joking of course
Olivera said:
I've found numerous and repeated references to 1420kg for the 981 gts. Sorry but I'd say it's impossible that it gained 50kg whilst losing two cylinders.
Actually I think we are both wrong. We were quoting unladen DIN weight v unladen EC weight, the latter being the 50kg or so heavier. Comparing both DIN weights in manual or PDK results in the 718 weighing 5kg more. For some reason one of the magazines I read might have made the same mistake. You can check the official Porsche brochures (they are still online somewhere for the 981). PDK adds 30kgs in both versions.Anyway, the point being the older car was slightly lighter despite the two extra cylinders. The turbo kit weighs a bit more than the two lost cylinders.
Prestonese said:
Olivera said:
I've found numerous and repeated references to 1420kg for the 981 gts. Sorry but I'd say it's impossible that it gained 50kg whilst losing two cylinders.
Actually I think we are both wrong. We were quoting unladen DIN weight v unladen EC weight, the latter being the 50kg or so heavier. Comparing both DIN weights in manual or PDK results in the 718 weighing 5kg more. For some reason one of the magazines I read might have made the same mistake. You can check the official Porsche brochures (they are still online somewhere for the 981). PDK adds 30kgs in both versions.Anyway, the point being the older car was slightly lighter despite the two extra cylinders. The turbo kit weighs a bit more than the two lost cylinders.
Olivera said:
Yes the Alpine is commendable light, but the Boxster is also light by today's road car standards.
For reference here are a few weights from Autocar road tests (actual weigh bridge weights and not manufacturers fudged figures):
718 Boxster: 1395kg
Exige V6: 1200kg
Alpine A110: 1125kg
As you say the Boxster is lighter than most open cars - but as I point out that is at the expense of the Cayman. I haven't seen anyone else quote PE figures more than the odd couple of kilos different to the quoted 1105 (and sometimes below) so the Autocar figure is a surprize. A Legende (with it's heavier seats) can be up to 1127kg fully optioned according to Alpine.For reference here are a few weights from Autocar road tests (actual weigh bridge weights and not manufacturers fudged figures):
718 Boxster: 1395kg
Exige V6: 1200kg
Alpine A110: 1125kg
One material question is whether some of those cars are capable of passing North American crash tests.
- 718 is on sale in USA right now
- Exige V6 is not sold as road legal in USA although the significantly heavier Evora is available.
- Alpine? So far as I am aware there are no French cars on sale in USA whatsoever.
rockin said:
One material question is whether some of those cars are capable of passing North American crash tests.
...surely only material if one lives in North America otherwise it’s an excuse for a heavy car...- 718 is on sale in USA right now
- Exige V6 is not sold as road legal in USA although the significantly heavier Evora is available.
- Alpine? So far as I am aware there are no French cars on sale in USA whatsoever.
No idea how Porsche managed to make the 718 such a lard ass, but it would be enough for me to dismiss if I was looking for that kind of car. That and the lack of a boxer 6
An Exige 350 Roadster weighs 1115kg unladen (about 1230kg with a full tank of fuel and the driver), and that's with a heavy 3.5 liter supercharged engine!
An Exige 350 Roadster weighs 1115kg unladen (about 1230kg with a full tank of fuel and the driver), and that's with a heavy 3.5 liter supercharged engine!
t rockin said:
Sport220 said:
....if I was looking for that kind of car.
What car manufacturers care about is real people with real money buying real cars. Not internet dreamers.What do you drive again Steve?!
Edited by SidewaysSi on Thursday 27th December 21:09
A forgotten review by PH themselves.
For some reason this didn't get picked up previously on this thread but I thought it's one worth putting out there given it's a more like for like comparison
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
For some reason this didn't get picked up previously on this thread but I thought it's one worth putting out there given it's a more like for like comparison
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Drove a non s PDK 718 earlier and it’s a brilliant car however I don’t see how the T makes sense, taking away door handles and adding the diff and pasm or whatever all that means.
As a Porsche newbie and after the first time driving one, for an hour by myself courtesy of the OPC, I really don’t see how the ride/handling could be improved. The only thing that sort of lets it down is the sound, but that’s only when comparing it to a flat 6 which shouldn’t even be a criticism, of course it’s going to sound worse!
300 bhp is more than enough and it makes sense why they made the T for the base model however, as I explained in another thread, to me, the 2.0, the noise and the PDK is a very bad mix as you have an engine that isn’t that powerful that could be enjoyed and revved our that’s let down by the PDK, not because it’s bad, but because it changes so quick and it’s so good, there’s nothing left to enjoy yourself, I was using the paddles half the time, put it in auto and the car changes better and works better without you. There’s nothing for you to do and couple that to the noise and modest performance, it could get boring after 6 months or a year once you’re used to it all.
If I could afford a T, I wouldn’t buy one, I’ll go for a 718 manual with the exhaust, bose, electric seats and a few other things and be done with it. That’s actually what I’m looking to do now, just not a brand new one from the factory.
As a Porsche newbie and after the first time driving one, for an hour by myself courtesy of the OPC, I really don’t see how the ride/handling could be improved. The only thing that sort of lets it down is the sound, but that’s only when comparing it to a flat 6 which shouldn’t even be a criticism, of course it’s going to sound worse!
300 bhp is more than enough and it makes sense why they made the T for the base model however, as I explained in another thread, to me, the 2.0, the noise and the PDK is a very bad mix as you have an engine that isn’t that powerful that could be enjoyed and revved our that’s let down by the PDK, not because it’s bad, but because it changes so quick and it’s so good, there’s nothing left to enjoy yourself, I was using the paddles half the time, put it in auto and the car changes better and works better without you. There’s nothing for you to do and couple that to the noise and modest performance, it could get boring after 6 months or a year once you’re used to it all.
If I could afford a T, I wouldn’t buy one, I’ll go for a 718 manual with the exhaust, bose, electric seats and a few other things and be done with it. That’s actually what I’m looking to do now, just not a brand new one from the factory.
Chestrockwell said:
Drove a non s PDK 718 earlier and it’s a brilliant car however I don’t see how the T makes sense, taking away door handles and adding the diff and pasm or whatever all that means.
As a Porsche newbie and after the first time driving one, for an hour by myself courtesy of the OPC, I really don’t see how the ride/handling could be improved. The only thing that sort of lets it down is the sound, but that’s only when comparing it to a flat 6 which shouldn’t even be a criticism, of course it’s going to sound worse!
300 bhp is more than enough and it makes sense why they made the T for the base model however, as I explained in another thread, to me, the 2.0, the noise and the PDK is a very bad mix as you have an engine that isn’t that powerful that could be enjoyed and revved our that’s let down by the PDK, not because it’s bad, but because it changes so quick and it’s so good, there’s nothing left to enjoy yourself, I was using the paddles half the time, put it in auto and the car changes better and works better without you. There’s nothing for you to do and couple that to the noise and modest performance, it could get boring after 6 months or a year once you’re used to it all.
If I could afford a T, I wouldn’t buy one, I’ll go for a 718 manual with the exhaust, bose, electric seats and a few other things and be done with it. That’s actually what I’m looking to do now, just not a brand new one from the factory.
Based on the above, I would suggest trying a 981 2.7 manual. If you can find a manual one with sport exhaust and sport suspension or PASM, it might be more aligned with what you are looking for. At least that how I've understood your summary above.As a Porsche newbie and after the first time driving one, for an hour by myself courtesy of the OPC, I really don’t see how the ride/handling could be improved. The only thing that sort of lets it down is the sound, but that’s only when comparing it to a flat 6 which shouldn’t even be a criticism, of course it’s going to sound worse!
300 bhp is more than enough and it makes sense why they made the T for the base model however, as I explained in another thread, to me, the 2.0, the noise and the PDK is a very bad mix as you have an engine that isn’t that powerful that could be enjoyed and revved our that’s let down by the PDK, not because it’s bad, but because it changes so quick and it’s so good, there’s nothing left to enjoy yourself, I was using the paddles half the time, put it in auto and the car changes better and works better without you. There’s nothing for you to do and couple that to the noise and modest performance, it could get boring after 6 months or a year once you’re used to it all.
If I could afford a T, I wouldn’t buy one, I’ll go for a 718 manual with the exhaust, bose, electric seats and a few other things and be done with it. That’s actually what I’m looking to do now, just not a brand new one from the factory.
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