RE: Porsche 718 T Boxster and Cayman - official

[underphil]

Onehp said:

I welcome the dynamic improvements trickling down in the range.

I do wonder about this one:
"a shorter manual gearshift"

Is this the much needed shorter gearing, or just a lower gear knob?

A shorter gearlever throw I imagine, shortening the gearing would mess with the economy figures so they wouldn't do that

[Helicopter123]

The availability of a manual gear box is a plus.

This or a Renault Alpine?

[JMF894]

Rumblestripe said:

Not enough cylinders, wrong noise, old engine was better, blah, blah, blah...

Yeah whatever.

The Cayman in particular is one of the best looking new cars you can buy and I would include exotica like Lamborghinis, Ferraris, 911s and hypercars in that, it is just lovely to look at.

Subjectivety is a funny old thing isn't it?

[Twinfan]

underphil said:

A shorter gearlever throw I imagine, shortening the gearing would mess with the economy figures so they wouldn't do that

Yep, it'll be the one from the 981 GT4. It's just a shorter shaft.

[Evoman]

The scenery shot is stunning but that is one naff advert, it's just lame like the sound from those cars...

[anonymous-user]

You can spec the "718 Caymen T" up to £87,627.00.

[Blackgator]

Porsche = 6 cylinders, Right? Anything else is an oxymoron. If I wanted a 4-cyl turbo I'd get a Golf GTI or R, it doesn't matter on toady's cluster-f**k roads.

[ajhmini]

Porsche list the Cayman T on their website as being heavier than a Cayman... So in what way can it justify having no stereo?

[PaulD86]

RacerMike said:

I was as skeptical as anyone else about the sound, and yes, of course it’s not as pleasing to listen to as the old 6 pot, but it is a lot more flexible, more torquey, more powerful and more responsive than the old 3.4 F6.

More responsive?! It is as responsive as a corpse below 2.5k rpm and does't beat the old 3.4 at any revs. More torque yes, and flexible subjectively yes.

[Ursicles]

Have they simply created a niche, so they can plug it?

Cant quite see the point of this car.

Still, nice to have manual cayman's back.

[FTW]

It’s a nice idea but not one that draws me in at all. I get the 911 T, the base engine is plenty powerful enough and you could spec the rear wheel steering and other options to make a cheaper GT3. The base Cayman T power to weight isn’t that impressive and the additional dynamic options don’t impress either. It certainly doesn’t tempt me away from my Cayman R.....

[Olivera]

Blackgator said:

Porsche = 6 cylinders, Right? Anything else is an oxymoron. If I wanted a 4-cyl turbo I'd get a Golf GTI or R, it doesn't matter on toady's cluster-f**k roads.

Apart from the 914, 924, 944, 968, 912, 356, early 911, 904 and a few others, you'd be entirely correct.

[Ian_C]

rockin said:

Yuppy red braces are back! Where's Gordon Gecko when you need him....



"Lunch is for wimps."

I take it those seats are optional?

[WCZ]

FTW said:

It’s a nice idea but not one that draws me in at all. I get the 911 T, the base engine is plenty powerful enough and you could spec the rear wheel steering and other options to make a cheaper GT3. The base Cayman T power to weight isn’t that impressive and the additional dynamic options don’t impress either. It certainly doesn’t tempt me away from my Cayman R.....

the 911 T was a complete gimmick and an insult to those who couldn't get a gt3 imo

but *at least* it had thinner windows and a bit of sound insulation removed, this is just a base car with the stereo gone.

[Plasticedd]

PaulD86 said:

More responsive?! It is as responsive as a corpse below 2.5k rpm and does't beat the old 3.4 at any revs. More torque yes, and flexible subjectively yes.

Speaking as a 993 owner I would not call the pull from 2,500 great on the 6 cylider engine, they only lift their skirts as you get over 4,000 so even though I've never driven the much maligned 4 cylinder turbo, if its anything like a Golf R (which I have also owned) it would easily out pull the 993 at 2,500 revs.

[JMF894]

Olivera said:

Blackgator said:

Porsche = 6 cylinders, Right? Anything else is an oxymoron. If I wanted a 4-cyl turbo I'd get a Golf GTI or R, it doesn't matter on toady's cluster-f**k roads.

Apart from the 914, 924, 944, 968, 912, 356, early 911, 904 and a few others, you'd be entirely correct.

I think what he, and others have tried to allude to in the past is that a Porsche is something to aspire to, something that is a cut above the norm. So whilst yes, they have produced a fair few 4 cylinder models in their history, for those who aspire to Porsche and view it as a paragon of refinement, excitement and dynamism, not to mention the associated and elevated cost to aquire and maintain one, only a 6 will do. A 4 cylinder just doesn't cut the mustard. And I am one of them.

[shost]

Article is slightly misleading. Only PASM with 20mm drop and short shift manual not available on standard 718.

Standard 10mm PASM available as are all the other options.

Base weight on website will be vs standard car with no options so T will be heavier as specced.

Clears adenoids.

[Tom_Spotley_When]

PH - Why does no-one make a lightweight manual sportscar? People will be throwing themselves at it. They won't be able to build them quickly enough. Radios are for wimps. I only listen to my engine straining to the redline as I commute along the A472 to an out of town business park. I drive at 11/10ths between the lights on my commute and if I shave 2/10ths of a second off it, my employees will know I mean Business. Door handles? Pah, drivers pull bits of string, only motorists pull a plastic handle. Then, if they advertise it somewhere moody, like Scotland in Winter, people will be unable to resist. Dealer Principles will only be able to allocate them based on the School your parents went to and what level Piano your daughter is.

Porsche actually make a lightweight sports car with no radio, a manual gearbox and bits of string for door handles?

PH - Why does it only have a 4 cylinder engine? I wouldn't even get my Christmas dinner hand-delivered by anything less than 6 cylinders. Why doesn't it have a radio? I need to listen to motivational podcasts on my way to cornering the market in Screwdrivers in the Greater Slough (outside the M25, but not as far as Reading) area. Why doesn't it have door handles? My wife won't use nylon straps (not after the last time.) Why has it been photographed in Scotland? No-one goes there from Slough. They should have photographed it in Portugal or Spain. Ideally Benidorm. That's really more appropriate.

There's every Porsche probably know what they're doing more than a load of frustrated blokes sat on the internet. It'll sell like hot-cakes and the people who want to be really smug and buy it with cash in 5 years time when it's had two owners and a patchy service history will be eternally disappointed.

See also, almost anything made by JLR - specifically the new Defender.

[Plate spinner]

I know it’s a cliche, but a 4 pot in this car is just... no thanks.

[PaulD86]

Plasticedd said:

PaulD86 said:

More responsive?! It is as responsive as a corpse below 2.5k rpm and does't beat the old 3.4 at any revs. More torque yes, and flexible subjectively yes.

Speaking as a 993 owner I would not call the pull from 2,500 great on the 6 cylider engine, they only lift their skirts as you get over 4,000 so even though I've never driven the much maligned 4 cylinder turbo, if its anything like a Golf R (which I have also owned) it would easily out pull the 993 at 2,500 revs.

Absolutely, the 3.4 doesn't give up most of its power until you're above 4k rpm, but it does do something. The 718 engine you can floor it at 2k rpm and nothing happens as boost builds for a bit and then it goes. I define responsive as something happening immediately when I hit the throttle and in this respect the 3.4 is more responsive.