RE: Peugeot 205 Rallye: Spotted
Discussion
Krikkit said:
No, but there's plenty of revvy engines from other Peugeots of this era you could transplant instead of the asthmatic crap we got.
The TU2J2 from the S1 106 Rallye would make a good combo, or a 1.6 GTI engine with a pair of twin carbs.
Agreed a nice base spec 205 or 106 would be worth doing, or a 205 xs think some of them had the all alloy engine The TU2J2 from the S1 106 Rallye would make a good combo, or a 1.6 GTI engine with a pair of twin carbs.
sjabrown said:
Prices seem to have gone daft! Lovely car, but crazy price.
It's probably one of those cars that means more to other nationalities than us lot, though no shortage of Peugeots rallied here too. And if you had your heart set on a good one there really won't be many to choose from and they ain't making any more. Still barking though.
TheAlastair34 said:
J4CKO said:
That is very appealing, though at 15 grand out of reach for a lot of people who would fancy one, there is one on ebay for seven grand though.
I suspect, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be fairly simple to create something comparable (or better) to your own spec for less if you want a similar back to basics experience ?
I know it wouldn't be an official one but it could still be pretty fantastic, can still get a serviceable 3 door (not GTI) for not a lot.
If its RHD the ebay on its a uk car and nothing like the EU rallye its just a paint job and stickers with a poor engine I suspect, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be fairly simple to create something comparable (or better) to your own spec for less if you want a similar back to basics experience ?
I know it wouldn't be an official one but it could still be pretty fantastic, can still get a serviceable 3 door (not GTI) for not a lot.
Article says XR in drag, but wasn't our UK Rallye an XS in drag. So the twin-choke 1360 TU?
My first car was a Roland Garros and my search started as a hunt for an XS but they'd all been thrashed to within an inch of their lives. UK Rallyes were a bit too new for the price range I was in, but I remember going to look at a suspiciously cheap yellow UK Rallye on a pitch in West Brom and I was sorely tempted.
Back on topic - I'd love one of these EU Rallyes along with E30 M3, Integrale etc in the Lotto garage. That German Rallye's a new one on me. Interesting.
My first car was a Roland Garros and my search started as a hunt for an XS but they'd all been thrashed to within an inch of their lives. UK Rallyes were a bit too new for the price range I was in, but I remember going to look at a suspiciously cheap yellow UK Rallye on a pitch in West Brom and I was sorely tempted.
Back on topic - I'd love one of these EU Rallyes along with E30 M3, Integrale etc in the Lotto garage. That German Rallye's a new one on me. Interesting.
bozzy. said:
I’m going to go against the grain a little bit here; but to me that’s just a crap old car with red carpets and wheels that look like they’ve come from a scrapyard.
Seriously, you could buy this 106 Quiksilver, strip it out, add shouty bits along with some coil overs and I bet it wouldn’t feel a million miles away from that 205 and it would stand you at about 1/5th the price.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Now, I know someone is going to come along and say “No no no, that’s nonesense because the 205 is a homologation special, there were only a handful produced by Peugeot’s finest blah blah blah” and to that I say bull. If you think £17,995 is worth it for that POS then out your money where your mouth is!
How good the car is from a technical perspective can be almost irrelevant when it comes to how collectible a car is though. It staggers me how often people get confused by this.Seriously, you could buy this 106 Quiksilver, strip it out, add shouty bits along with some coil overs and I bet it wouldn’t feel a million miles away from that 205 and it would stand you at about 1/5th the price.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Now, I know someone is going to come along and say “No no no, that’s nonesense because the 205 is a homologation special, there were only a handful produced by Peugeot’s finest blah blah blah” and to that I say bull. If you think £17,995 is worth it for that POS then out your money where your mouth is!
PistonBroker said:
Article says XR in drag, but wasn't our UK Rallye an XS in drag. So the twin-choke 1360 TU?
ng.
Nope sadly the U.K. rallye was rather rubbish with the lower power steel blocked xr and consequently drove nothing like the XS (which is a truly superb little thing to thrash).ng.
s m said:
Krikkit said:
TheAlastair34 said:
J4CKO said:
That is very appealing, though at 15 grand out of reach for a lot of people who would fancy one, there is one on ebay for seven grand though.
I suspect, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be fairly simple to create something comparable (or better) to your own spec for less if you want a similar back to basics experience ?
I know it wouldn't be an official one but it could still be pretty fantastic, can still get a serviceable 3 door (not GTI) for not a lot.
If its RHD the ebay on its a uk car and nothing like the EU rallye its just a paint job and stickers with a poor engine I suspect, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be fairly simple to create something comparable (or better) to your own spec for less if you want a similar back to basics experience ?
I know it wouldn't be an official one but it could still be pretty fantastic, can still get a serviceable 3 door (not GTI) for not a lot.
The TU2J2 from the S1 106 Rallye would make a good combo, or a 1.6 GTI engine with a pair of twin carbs.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/peugeot/peugeot-106-gti/...
Nimerino said:
Lighter engine, less sound deadening, less carpeting, lighter wheels, lighter seats (with lighter fabric), no power anything, stereo and all associated electronics and cabling removed, rear wiper and motor removed, cladding inside rear boot lid removed.
Literally everything that could be removed (save the rear seat) was removed and everything that couldn’t was replaced with lighter alternatives. I don’t know if the actual differential to the 1.6 is 100kg, I thought it was closer to 70. But still.
100kg is a fairly massive difference though, (and this Rallye still seems to have a rear wiper) Literally everything that could be removed (save the rear seat) was removed and everything that couldn’t was replaced with lighter alternatives. I don’t know if the actual differential to the 1.6 is 100kg, I thought it was closer to 70. But still.
An M3 CSL apparently only saves 110Kg over a standard M3 and it has lots of crazy weight cutting measures like lighter glass and a carbon fibre roof (and it starts from a much higher weight). It makes me wonder if the difference is really between a 1.9 GTI with A/C, power steering and a cat.
Jon_S_Rally said:
bozzy. said:
I’m going to go against the grain a little bit here; but to me that’s just a crap old car with red carpets and wheels that look like they’ve come from a scrapyard.
Seriously, you could buy this 106 Quiksilver, strip it out, add shouty bits along with some coil overs and I bet it wouldn’t feel a million miles away from that 205 and it would stand you at about 1/5th the price.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Now, I know someone is going to come along and say “No no no, that’s nonesense because the 205 is a homologation special, there were only a handful produced by Peugeot’s finest blah blah blah” and to that I say bull. If you think £17,995 is worth it for that POS then out your money where your mouth is!
How good the car is from a technical perspective can be almost irrelevant when it comes to how collectible a car is though. It staggers me how often people get confused by this.Seriously, you could buy this 106 Quiksilver, strip it out, add shouty bits along with some coil overs and I bet it wouldn’t feel a million miles away from that 205 and it would stand you at about 1/5th the price.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Now, I know someone is going to come along and say “No no no, that’s nonesense because the 205 is a homologation special, there were only a handful produced by Peugeot’s finest blah blah blah” and to that I say bull. If you think £17,995 is worth it for that POS then out your money where your mouth is!
What I’m saying is I don’t see the value in something I could emulate for a fraction of the cost. If we are brutally honest, this is nothing more than a very basic, very old car with humdrum mechanicals.
An old Clio 172 Cup would do everything this 205 does and it would it better for a fraction of the cost.
In fact I’d even have plenty of change left over to buy one of George Clooney’s toenail clippings.
rallycross said:
Nope sadly the U.K. rallye was rather rubbish with the lower power steel blocked xr and consequently drove nothing like the XS (which is a truly superb little thing to thrash).
I had one of those 205 xs as my first car, it was bloody marvellous! I have been trying to find one ever since and they are also like rocking horse s
te... gcpeters said:
I had one of those 205 xs as my first car, it was bloody marvellous! I have been trying to find one ever since and they are also like rocking horse ste...
wow.10k for an XS - https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C905591te... I sold mine for £1200 !
bozzy. said:
I’m not confused by whether it’s collectible or not. People collect all sorts of things; stamps, soap.........even toenail clippings to name but a few.
What I’m saying is I don’t see the value in something I could emulate for a fraction of the cost. If we are brutally honest, this is nothing more than a very basic, very old car with humdrum mechanicals.
An old Clio 172 Cup would do everything this 205 does and it would it better for a fraction of the cost.
In fact I’d even have plenty of change left over to buy one of George Clooney’s toenail clippings.
Certain cars are made great to drive by the sum of all their parts. The geometry, rack ratio, weight distribution, gearing etc all being just so. Whether it's great engineering or just luck who knows. Either way, saying you can emulate it cheaply with a few tweaks to a bogo model is as daft as saying you could turn a 318i into an M3 on a budget.What I’m saying is I don’t see the value in something I could emulate for a fraction of the cost. If we are brutally honest, this is nothing more than a very basic, very old car with humdrum mechanicals.
An old Clio 172 Cup would do everything this 205 does and it would it better for a fraction of the cost.
In fact I’d even have plenty of change left over to buy one of George Clooney’s toenail clippings.
With regards to the 172. Great as they are, they still feel far more modern and "aided" than a euro Rallye. Just watch the Harris video where he's driving his euro Rallye back to back with a 991R describing the feeling each gives. Is a man who has the contacts, knowledge and no doubt the funds to buy pretty much anything buying s
t old French cars purely due to undeserved hype?bozzy. said:
I’m not confused by whether it’s collectible or not. People collect all sorts of things; stamps, soap.........even toenail clippings to name but a few.
What I’m saying is I don’t see the value in something I could emulate for a fraction of the cost. If we are brutally honest, this is nothing more than a very basic, very old car with humdrum mechanicals.
An old Clio 172 Cup would do everything this 205 does and it would it better for a fraction of the cost.
In fact I’d even have plenty of change left over to buy one of George Clooney’s toenail clippings.
You clearly don't think the driving experience is very important in a car then. If another car is technically more superior I really couldn't give a fWhat I’m saying is I don’t see the value in something I could emulate for a fraction of the cost. If we are brutally honest, this is nothing more than a very basic, very old car with humdrum mechanicals.
An old Clio 172 Cup would do everything this 205 does and it would it better for a fraction of the cost.
In fact I’d even have plenty of change left over to buy one of George Clooney’s toenail clippings.
k. If you enjoy your over weight, over assisted modern eco boxes then fine but I'd rather have fun driving thanks. If its a special edition classic then all the better. J4CKO said:
That is very appealing, though at 15 grand out of reach for a lot of people who would fancy one, there is one on ebay for seven grand though.
I suspect, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be fairly simple to create something comparable (or better) to your own spec for less if you want a similar back to basics experience ?
I know it wouldn't be an official one but it could still be pretty fantastic, can still get a serviceable 3 door (not GTI) for not a lot.
^^^ I'm with this train of thought. I suspect, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be fairly simple to create something comparable (or better) to your own spec for less if you want a similar back to basics experience ?
I know it wouldn't be an official one but it could still be pretty fantastic, can still get a serviceable 3 door (not GTI) for not a lot.
It's an old, stripped out version of what was already the manufacturer's base model. I appreciate the driving experience, which is why i run older cars with which i feel more connected to the road. But surely you could get the same or damn near experience for a lot less money??
Doing the man maths, if you could buy an alternative 106 model and strip it out and upgrade the mechanicals for, say £5k, would anyone say there's another £10k of improvement in this car? And who's good enough to even tell? It's the law of diminishing returns......
was8v said:
I see your criminally over valued £18k 205 rallye and raise you a.....
Criminally under valued £1500 Suzuki Ignis Sport
I get what you're saying, but as the owner of both, the 205 is leagues ahead of the Ignis in terms of overall feel. The Ignis is probably undervalued though! Parts for the 205 are easier got than the Ignis too.Criminally under valued £1500 Suzuki Ignis Sport
The one in the article is crazy money in fairness. Makes me glad I bought mine when I did, though it was a group n ish rally car in France so not as original as this one. They have a big following in France obviously but also Spain I believe.
I see the German 1.9 one is mentioned. They were supposedly nowhere near as good as the 1.3, I think the 1.9 in them was fairly heavily detuned.
I have to say it does seem that the people who are poo pooing the cars haven't driven one, they just feel right to drive. I cannot wait to get mine back on the road (new cage and painting it etc....for the past 6 years...)
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