RE: Renaultsport Clio 200 Cup vs Ford Fiesta ST
Discussion
SidewaysSi said:
Sounds like the holder Clio gave the Fiesta a bit of a kicking, which is not that surprising.
And surely the Renault is perfectly well equipped. Not sure what more people really need?
200 Cup - no aircon, auto lights/ wipers, keyless, etc etc.And surely the Renault is perfectly well equipped. Not sure what more people really need?
I think the dash may also have been different. Some body parts are not colour coded.
A 200 with a Cup chassis ( but not a Cup !) Is the one you want.
Of course, the purists will argue about saving weight but that is, of course, nonsense if you think a 200 Cup will be quicker than a "Full Fat" version. The savings are negligible.
The Clio is without doubt probably the best hot hatch ever made.....However it is without doubt one of the worst engineered cars i have ever driven. I am in the process of getting rid of mine as i type . It is a rollercoaster love/ hate relation ship with this car as its just o expensive and fragile to use as a daily car. I've added up my spend on the car in the past 5 years...and i have bought it twice over and some more....Gearbox, Steering Rack, Subframes, and don't forget the Pivot Joint hubs that only seem to last 12/18 Months that cost nearly 750 app to fit...each side.
I'll be very sad to see it go as when its working as it should, its an absolute blast.
I'll be very sad to see it go as when its working as it should, its an absolute blast.
Surprised to hear they've become somewhat fragile? A part from that, used samples at UK prices look tremendus value. Styling also ages pretty well, I like the looks even better than when they came out.
Always interested in one but prices in .de are too strong for my liking. Not much offer in the first place, and decent stuff seems to start at € 11k. Also not a single green one on offer...
Always interested in one but prices in .de are too strong for my liking. Not much offer in the first place, and decent stuff seems to start at € 11k. Also not a single green one on offer...
I think it's fair to say the Clio 200 cup has already earned a classic status. It's a car so accomplished that even Renault themselves can't possibly replicate, just like BMW has been unable to come up with another super sedan quite like the e39 M5 upto this date. I never lust after a Ferrari, a Mclaren or anything of that ilk but whenever I read about no-nonsense, driver-focused cars like the Clio, Megane, CTR, Impreza, Evo, etc of the days past I feel this pure want arising from deep inside my heart. One day...
tubs said:
The Clio is without doubt probably the best hot hatch ever made.....However it is without doubt one of the worst engineered cars i have ever driven. I am in the process of getting rid of mine as i type . It is a rollercoaster love/ hate relation ship with this car as its just o expensive and fragile to use as a daily car. I've added up my spend on the car in the past 5 years...and i have bought it twice over and some more....Gearbox, Steering Rack, Subframes, and don't forget the Pivot Joint hubs that only seem to last 12/18 Months that cost nearly 750 app to fit...each side.
Interesting how different people have different experiences. A friend of mine has a 200 which he uses for hillclimbs and sprints; he's a quick driver so it has a fairly tough existence. It's never missed a beat and except for service items it's on original everything. 
SidewaysSi said:
Sounds like the holder Clio gave the Fiesta a bit of a kicking, which is not that surprising.
And surely the Renault is perfectly well equipped. Not sure what more people really need?
The need to spend £10,000 extra for a new car with a WARRANTY to save a few £100's in possible extra annual upkeep for the Clio?And surely the Renault is perfectly well equipped. Not sure what more people really need?
. . . . perhaps the lure of that fantasy figure - 47mpg?
. . . . or perhaps the Clio simply does not have as much iPhone connectivity as a new car. After all that's what a car if for right, connecting to the internet?
That explains why you are clueless about why people buy new cars.
When the clio 200 was new someone had to buy it so that you can sample it all these years later. They must have been so stupid spending
£16k in a new car when they could have spent £6k on a clio 172 that does the same thing eh?
Without people buying new cars there are no 2nd hand cars.
Buying something new and speccing it exactly how YOU want and having the feeling of newness in absolutely everything in the car is something everyone should experience at some point.
Do you buy your sofas 2nd hand and pre-farted on too? Or maybe your bed, you can get some real bargains on some really well worn in ones.
When the clio 200 was new someone had to buy it so that you can sample it all these years later. They must have been so stupid spending
£16k in a new car when they could have spent £6k on a clio 172 that does the same thing eh?
Without people buying new cars there are no 2nd hand cars.
Buying something new and speccing it exactly how YOU want and having the feeling of newness in absolutely everything in the car is something everyone should experience at some point.
Do you buy your sofas 2nd hand and pre-farted on too? Or maybe your bed, you can get some real bargains on some really well worn in ones.
Edited by Ahbefive on Sunday 23 December 08:48
Ahbefive said:
That explains why you are clueless about why people buy new cars.
When the clio 200 was new someone had to buy it so that you can sample it all these years later. They must have been so stupid spending
£16k in a new car when they could have spent £6k on a clio 172 that does the same thing eh?
Without people buying new cars there are no 2nd hand cars.
Buying something new and speccing it exactly how YOU want and having the feeling of newness in absolutely everything in the car is something everyone should experience at some point.
Do you buy your sofas 2nd hand and pre-farted on too? Or maybe your bed, you can get some real bargains on some really well worn in ones.
Just to clarify I am very happy that some people like to buy new cars, but that it's just not for me I'm afraid. When the clio 200 was new someone had to buy it so that you can sample it all these years later. They must have been so stupid spending
£16k in a new car when they could have spent £6k on a clio 172 that does the same thing eh?
Without people buying new cars there are no 2nd hand cars.
Buying something new and speccing it exactly how YOU want and having the feeling of newness in absolutely everything in the car is something everyone should experience at some point.
Do you buy your sofas 2nd hand and pre-farted on too? Or maybe your bed, you can get some real bargains on some really well worn in ones.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 23 December 08:48
I am very grateful that the previous elderly owner of my C5 RS6 Plus took it upon himself to take on and pay the £44k in depreciation on my behalf, handing it over to me in a low mileage, well maintained and cosseted state (looked almost exactly like new) for a fraction of it's original cost.
But if having a new car is important to you, for the same price as I paid for the RS6 you could have got a BRAND NEW Vauxhall Insignia CDTI Ecojet, specced exactly as you'd have liked with that new car smell and everything.
Mmmm, nice! Go for it if that's what's important to you
You think your RS6 is comparable to an Insignia CDTI? Both pretty boring I guess but personally I wouldn't find the newer car as the comparable example. Insignia is less likely to throw you a £5k gearbox bill and doesn't do 60mph in 4seconds.
I'm sure you could try to find something similar as per the article we are talking about rather than 2 totally different cars to try and prove some sort of ridiculous point.
I'm sure you could try to find something similar as per the article we are talking about rather than 2 totally different cars to try and prove some sort of ridiculous point.
Edited by Ahbefive on Sunday 23 December 09:11
Andy20vt said:
Just to clarify I am very happy that some people like to buy new cars, but that it's just not for me I'm afraid.
I am very grateful that the previous elderly owner of my C5 RS6 Plus took it upon himself to take on and pay the £44k in depreciation on my behalf, handing it over to me in a low mileage, well maintained and cosseted state (looked almost exactly like new) for a fraction of it's original cost.
But if having a new car is important to you, for the same price as I paid for the RS6 you could have got a BRAND NEW Vauxhall Insignia CDTI Ecojet, specced exactly as you'd have liked with that new car smell and everything.
Mmmm, nice! Go for it if that's what's important to you
I do a reasonable amount of miles with work and I bought a new car because, among other reasons, I knew without doubt I would have a car that wouldn't cost me a penny if it broke down. Am I stupid?I am very grateful that the previous elderly owner of my C5 RS6 Plus took it upon himself to take on and pay the £44k in depreciation on my behalf, handing it over to me in a low mileage, well maintained and cosseted state (looked almost exactly like new) for a fraction of it's original cost.
But if having a new car is important to you, for the same price as I paid for the RS6 you could have got a BRAND NEW Vauxhall Insignia CDTI Ecojet, specced exactly as you'd have liked with that new car smell and everything.
Mmmm, nice! Go for it if that's what's important to you
C.MW said:
I think it's fair to say the Clio 200 cup has already earned a classic status. It's a car so accomplished that even Renault themselves can't possibly replicate, just like BMW has been unable to come up with another super sedan quite like the e39 M5 upto this date. I never lust after a Ferrari, a Mclaren or anything of that ilk but whenever I read about no-nonsense, driver-focused cars like the Clio, Megane, CTR, Impreza, Evo, etc of the days past I feel this pure want arising from deep inside my heart. One day...
Yep go for it. Much ad the motoring press (have to) be enthusiastic about new cars, articles like this show you can't beat a decent older car.Seemed a bit of faint praise for the Ford.
Ahbefive said:
You think your RS6 is comparable to an Insignia CDTI? Both pretty boring I guess but personally I wouldn't find the newer car as the comparable example. Insignia is less likely to throw you a £5k gearbox bill and doesn't do 60mph in 4seconds.
I'm sure you could try to find something similar as per the article we are talking about rather than 2 totally different cars to try and prove some sort of ridiculous point.
Sorry Ahbefive, I have read your post several times and still I fail to understand your point? Maybe it is the way you have worded it?I'm sure you could try to find something similar as per the article we are talking about rather than 2 totally different cars to try and prove some sort of ridiculous point.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 23 December 09:11
I do understand that for you the 'new car smell' is worth paying a lot of money for. But for me I drive brand new hire cars most weeks with work. The last one I handed back on Friday, a BMW 330d Xdrive, had 13 miles on the clock when I hired it. Their newness does not make them special and I have got to the point where I simply could not care less.
But please carry on buying new cars so that I can save loads of money buying them second hand.
Shall we leave this here?
Ahbefive said:
That explains why you are clueless about why people buy new cars.
When the clio 200 was new someone had to buy it so that you can sample it all these years later. They must have been so stupid spending
£16k in a new car when they could have spent £6k on a clio 172 that does the same thing eh?
Without people buying new cars there are no 2nd hand cars.
Buying something new and speccing it exactly how YOU want and having the feeling of newness in absolutely everything in the car is something everyone should experience at some point.
Do you buy your sofas 2nd hand and pre-farted on too? Or maybe your bed, you can get some real bargains on some really well worn in ones.
Depends on the car and person. I have done it and it did nothing for me. I thought the way they put the sheet over the car was quite nice though. And the coffee wasn't bad either. When the clio 200 was new someone had to buy it so that you can sample it all these years later. They must have been so stupid spending
£16k in a new car when they could have spent £6k on a clio 172 that does the same thing eh?
Without people buying new cars there are no 2nd hand cars.
Buying something new and speccing it exactly how YOU want and having the feeling of newness in absolutely everything in the car is something everyone should experience at some point.
Do you buy your sofas 2nd hand and pre-farted on too? Or maybe your bed, you can get some real bargains on some really well worn in ones.
Edited by Ahbefive on Sunday 23 December 08:48
The Clio should have good crash safety.
Otherwise an argument for new(er) is that older cars, e.g. mentioned E39 M5 and older, will be significantly less accomodating in an event of a crash. Someone who rides motorbikes probably won't care, someone who often takes along their young family in their (fun) car is more likely to have this as a criteria.
Current car was bought new because I couldn't find the spec I wanted and used ones weren't much cheaper anyway.
Another advantage for new on especially enthusiast cars with known sensitive drivelines, is that you will know exactly how the car has been treated... Certainly newer cars on a lease could have been treated worse than a rental without obviously visible signs.
BTW, nobody mentioned it but I do like the engine noise of the ST, sound more Porsche flat six than run of the mill 4-pot... Clio sound good too though with an exhaust.
Otherwise an argument for new(er) is that older cars, e.g. mentioned E39 M5 and older, will be significantly less accomodating in an event of a crash. Someone who rides motorbikes probably won't care, someone who often takes along their young family in their (fun) car is more likely to have this as a criteria.
Current car was bought new because I couldn't find the spec I wanted and used ones weren't much cheaper anyway.
Another advantage for new on especially enthusiast cars with known sensitive drivelines, is that you will know exactly how the car has been treated... Certainly newer cars on a lease could have been treated worse than a rental without obviously visible signs.
BTW, nobody mentioned it but I do like the engine noise of the ST, sound more Porsche flat six than run of the mill 4-pot... Clio sound good too though with an exhaust.
Onehp said:
Another advantage for new on especially enthusiast cars with known sensitive drivelines, is that you will know exactly how the car has been treated... Certainly newer cars on a lease could have been treated worse than a rental without obviously visible signs.
This is a very good point and why I bought my Swift Sport new. I'm sure the owner of an RS6 would take far better care of the car than the typical FiST buyer so I'd be far more inclined to get the latter new. Plus it's easier to make the case of losing a few £k on the Fiesta to get it new than 10s of £k on the RS6. So i think it really depends on the type of car. If you purchase wisely you can also usually negotiate a good discount on the car too which makes it not a lot more than what a lot of year old (probably thrashed from cold demonstrator) cars seem to go for anyway.VeeFource said:
This is a very good point and why I bought my Swift Sport new. I'm sure the owner of an RS6 would take far better care of the car than the typical FiST buyer so I'd be far more inclined to get the latter new. Plus it's easier to make the case of losing a few £k on the Fiesta to get it new than 10s of £k on the RS6. So i think it really depends on the type of car. If you purchase wisely you can also usually negotiate a good discount on the car too which makes it not a lot more than what a lot of year old (probably thrashed from cold demonstrator) cars seem to go for anyway.
My experience of STs is they tend to be coveted and looked after by enthusiast owners, rather more so than most repmobiles.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff