RE: BMW M2 Competition vs. Porsche Cayman GT4
Discussion
janesmith1950 said:
Oh, for god's sake. The GT86 is a cut price white elephant. It's slow, cheap and, well, not very popular for a reason.
Comparing it to a GT4 is like saying Pat Butcher is better than Camaron Diaz, once the lights are off.
** Awards and Recognition** Complete List for 86/FR-S/BRZ**Comparing it to a GT4 is like saying Pat Butcher is better than Camaron Diaz, once the lights are off.
"People were calling for a compiled list of awards and recognition so here it is. If you have any I have left off please drop them in, I am a huge forum junkie so it will be updated in a timely manner." - https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2...
New Read on our Awards Cabinet: http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subar...flowing-awa...
Best Sports Car for the Money -- U.S. News: http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...ks/Scion_FR...
Best of 2013 -- Cars.com http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...t-of-2013.h...
Car of the Year 2012 -- Pistonheads http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=26...
Most Desired Car of 2012 -- Jaloponik http://jalopnik.com/5971244/the-ten-...e-cars-of-2...
Performance Car of 2012 -- Autoexpress http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-rev...-car-year-2...
Car of the Year -- New York Times http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24...
First Autoguide.com COTY http://www.torquenews.com/1084/2013-...nly-half-st...
Car of the Year 2013 -- Playboy http://www.playboy.com/playground/vi...-the-year-2...
Vehicle Dynamics International COTY http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/...d#/b41bd0bd...
Jeremy Clarkson/Top Gear Car of the Year 2012 http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/j...gt86-2012-1...
MEMA Award Best Sports Coupe 2012 http://www.ameinfo.com/toyota-86-bag...rd-2012-322...
People's Choice Awards Sports Car Under 100k http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2012...es-first-33...
IIHS Top Safety Pick http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...-safety-awa...
Drive's Car of the Year and Best Performance car under 60k http://www.warwickdailynews.com.au/n...86-gt/16409...
SEMA Hottest Sports Compact http://www.autoweek.com/article/20121030/SEMA/1210...
Carsguide.com.au Car of the Year http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226536279...
"Best Coupe" -- Scottish Car of the Year Award 2012 http://www.gt86ownersclub.co.uk/foru...topic1329.h...
Jaloponik Top 10 New Cars We are Thankful For http://jalopnik.com/5962499/ten-new-...e-thankful-...
Car of the Year 2013 -- South African Guild of Motoring Journalists (SAGMJ) http://www.automobil.co.za/news/2013...sts-announc...
Best Affordable Sports Car 2012 -- US News http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com.../grid/overa...
Autocar Britans Best Driver's Car 2012 http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ght=Awards+...
Auto123.com Canadian Sports Car of the Year http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...ards-roll.h...
Japan Car of the Year "Special" Award http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subar...-special-aw...
Japan Car of the Year Award http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/12...ubaru-brz.h...
10 Most Important Cars of 2012 http://jalopnik.com/5968200/the-ten-...ium=socialf...
Ward's 10 Best Engines of 2013 http://www.torquenews.com/106/wards-...t-engines-2...
Car & Driver's 10 Best for 2013 - http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ru-brz-page...
CNET's Most Worthy of the Hype - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...e-winner-is...
Charlie_1 said:
One has to ask could possibly be that you chaps just cant drive properly ? , have driven an MX-5 and in context it seemed nice enough in context but not quite as anazing as people say , havent driven a gt86 so cant comment, sports cars and saving money isnt that an oxymoron
I've driven an MX5, a GT86, owned a vvc mgf which I preferred to the MX5, still own an Elise which is used as a daily and hugely more entertaining than a gt86.I've not driven an m2 or Caymen GT4 but last summer had a 1m to enjoy, which is probably not too far removed. The 1m is a massively fast enjoyable car in a completely different way from the small jap cars mentioned and I would love to own one.
Why on pistonheads do we need to read on the first page MX5 and GT86. Really it's like a broken record.
Edited by deltashad on Friday 28th December 06:20
IainR said:
GT4 is amazing and deserves all the praise heaped upon it, but isn’t daily usable with those bucket seats unless you’re an 18 year old gymnast. M2C shades it on comfort and practicality. Both epic. Great article. Happy Christmas.
I'd assumed I'd take the seats out and fit normal Porsche seats. Keep the 918 buckets at the back of the garage should I ever want to sell it on.Don Colione said:
janesmith1950 said:
Oh, for god's sake. The GT86 is a cut price white elephant. It's slow, cheap and, well, not very popular for a reason.
Comparing it to a GT4 is like saying Pat Butcher is better than Camaron Diaz, once the lights are off.
** Awards and Recognition** Complete List for 86/FR-S/BRZ**Comparing it to a GT4 is like saying Pat Butcher is better than Camaron Diaz, once the lights are off.
"People were calling for a compiled list of awards and recognition so here it is. If you have any I have left off please drop them in, I am a huge forum junkie so it will be updated in a timely manner." - https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2...
New Read on our Awards Cabinet: http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subar...flowing-awa...
Best Sports Car for the Money -- U.S. News: http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...ks/Scion_FR...
Best of 2013 -- Cars.com http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...t-of-2013.h...
Car of the Year 2012 -- Pistonheads http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=26...
Most Desired Car of 2012 -- Jaloponik http://jalopnik.com/5971244/the-ten-...e-cars-of-2...
Performance Car of 2012 -- Autoexpress http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-rev...-car-year-2...
Car of the Year -- New York Times http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24...
First Autoguide.com COTY http://www.torquenews.com/1084/2013-...nly-half-st...
Car of the Year 2013 -- Playboy http://www.playboy.com/playground/vi...-the-year-2...
Vehicle Dynamics International COTY http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/...d#/b41bd0bd...
Jeremy Clarkson/Top Gear Car of the Year 2012 http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/j...gt86-2012-1...
MEMA Award Best Sports Coupe 2012 http://www.ameinfo.com/toyota-86-bag...rd-2012-322...
People's Choice Awards Sports Car Under 100k http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2012...es-first-33...
IIHS Top Safety Pick http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...-safety-awa...
Drive's Car of the Year and Best Performance car under 60k http://www.warwickdailynews.com.au/n...86-gt/16409...
SEMA Hottest Sports Compact http://www.autoweek.com/article/20121030/SEMA/1210...
Carsguide.com.au Car of the Year http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226536279...
"Best Coupe" -- Scottish Car of the Year Award 2012 http://www.gt86ownersclub.co.uk/foru...topic1329.h...
Jaloponik Top 10 New Cars We are Thankful For http://jalopnik.com/5962499/ten-new-...e-thankful-...
Car of the Year 2013 -- South African Guild of Motoring Journalists (SAGMJ) http://www.automobil.co.za/news/2013...sts-announc...
Best Affordable Sports Car 2012 -- US News http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com.../grid/overa...
Autocar Britans Best Driver's Car 2012 http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ght=Awards+...
Auto123.com Canadian Sports Car of the Year http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...ards-roll.h...
Japan Car of the Year "Special" Award http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subar...-special-aw...
Japan Car of the Year Award http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/12...ubaru-brz.h...
10 Most Important Cars of 2012 http://jalopnik.com/5968200/the-ten-...ium=socialf...
Ward's 10 Best Engines of 2013 http://www.torquenews.com/106/wards-...t-engines-2...
Car & Driver's 10 Best for 2013 - http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ru-brz-page...
CNET's Most Worthy of the Hype - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...e-winner-is...
deltashad said:
Why on pistonheads do we need to read on the first page MX5 and GT86. Really it's like a broken record.
Yep its all rather dull. Some people like their own cars to the point where they feel the need to mention them in every thread.Edited by deltashad on Friday 28th December 06:20
thiscocks said:
peterpeter said:
QBee said:
The older I get, the less reason I see for all these 400+bhp cock-mobiles on the roads in the UK.
No driver with average skills can drive one safely while actually using the power properly, never mind legally.
And I am getting fed up with having Mr Superb-right-headlights 3 feet from my tail at 70 at night on any dual carrigeway you care to mention, just because i decided to use the German lane for more than 10 seconds and he has an M3/RS6/C63.
Suggest to them that they take their £60grand cock-mobile on a track to really enjoy it safely and they turn tail and run.
Yet, as said earlier in this thread, it is the only place where it is actually safe to use that power.
They should try it some time - my TVR comes alive on a track, it is what it was designed for.
130 on the Bentley Straight at Snetterton is fun. 130 on the M1 is just dangerous.
What utter crap. I own both, and track them bothNo driver with average skills can drive one safely while actually using the power properly, never mind legally.
And I am getting fed up with having Mr Superb-right-headlights 3 feet from my tail at 70 at night on any dual carrigeway you care to mention, just because i decided to use the German lane for more than 10 seconds and he has an M3/RS6/C63.
Suggest to them that they take their £60grand cock-mobile on a track to really enjoy it safely and they turn tail and run.
Yet, as said earlier in this thread, it is the only place where it is actually safe to use that power.
They should try it some time - my TVR comes alive on a track, it is what it was designed for.
130 on the Bentley Straight at Snetterton is fun. 130 on the M1 is just dangerous.
You will see loads of M2s and Gt4s on track nowadays.. probably far more than TVRs,
I did about 6 track days this year and saw loads - I only saw 1 TVR -
TBH 400bhp is not a lot in 1300- 1500 kg car. and probably about right nowadays.
CABC said:
xjay1337 said:
Really?
Can't see them being a problem. I have an m135i which has basically the same engine, same brakes etc. Some upgraded pads and it's done me fine for many trackdays ! :-)
then i shall bow to your real world knowledge Can't see them being a problem. I have an m135i which has basically the same engine, same brakes etc. Some upgraded pads and it's done me fine for many trackdays ! :-)
whenever i see newish M cars on track they do seem to melt tyres and brakes, and often have to leave after lunch. this maybe because they're inexperienced drivers over-driving the car and even leaving esc on to exacerbate wear?
The brakes on the newer F series of car are much better - pretty much all have 4 piston front and 2 piston rear
Obviously stock pads can and do fade but that's the payoff for low noise and vibration etc.
But for road they are perfect.
Plenty of options for upgrading from £150 to £400 (I went with Pagid RS29)
Ha, Ha
Back on topic (sort of), I've wondered for a while, how much better is the Cayman GT4, than the 987 Cayman R? The R won quite a few awards when it came and out and you can pick one of those up for under £40K....so about half the price of a GT4....
Anyone on here owned or driven both who could offer an opinion? I still think in some ways the Cayman R is the best looking Cayman they ever made.....
Another fun article would be the Cayman R vs the BMW 1M. They were both rivals in 2011 and I think the Cayman is the cheaper car now...
Over the last three years I've gone from NC2 MX5 > Lotus Elise Cup > Boxster 981 and although they are all fab I still think that MX5 was the most fun on the road.
Okay the sound of the the 981 is epic, I mean with PSE it truly is just that, however I got the base Boxster hoping it wouldn't be too powerful for spirited road use but the gearing is so long that to wind it out in third is driving licence threatening.
I keep looking at the new ND MX5, and thinking with a bit of BBR fettling, not through forced induction, but the more traditional NAsp works, plus suspension, brakes and freer flowing exhaust and I'd have a more enjoyable road going. That alongside a Caterham for trackdays would just be my ideal.
Plus the new ND MX5 in the right colour, and not in RF guise, is a rather well proportioned pretty little thing.
Okay the sound of the the 981 is epic, I mean with PSE it truly is just that, however I got the base Boxster hoping it wouldn't be too powerful for spirited road use but the gearing is so long that to wind it out in third is driving licence threatening.
I keep looking at the new ND MX5, and thinking with a bit of BBR fettling, not through forced induction, but the more traditional NAsp works, plus suspension, brakes and freer flowing exhaust and I'd have a more enjoyable road going. That alongside a Caterham for trackdays would just be my ideal.
Plus the new ND MX5 in the right colour, and not in RF guise, is a rather well proportioned pretty little thing.
Over over under steer said:
Over the last three years I've gone from NC2 MX5 > Lotus Elise Cup > Boxster 981 and although they are all fab I still think that MX5 was the most fun on the road.
Okay the sound of the the 981 is epic, I mean with PSE it truly is just that, however I got the base Boxster hoping it wouldn't be too powerful for spirited road use but the gearing is so long that to wind it out in third is driving licence threatening.
I keep looking at the new ND MX5, and thinking with a bit of BBR fettling, not through forced induction, but the more traditional NAsp works, plus suspension, brakes and freer flowing exhaust and I'd have a more enjoyable road going. That alongside a Caterham for trackdays would just be my ideal.
Plus the new ND MX5 in the right colour, and not in RF guise, is a rather well proportioned pretty little thing.
Just be careful of that - test drive for sure! Going back to an older car you thought was brilliant at the time can be a disappointment. At least in my experience.Okay the sound of the the 981 is epic, I mean with PSE it truly is just that, however I got the base Boxster hoping it wouldn't be too powerful for spirited road use but the gearing is so long that to wind it out in third is driving licence threatening.
I keep looking at the new ND MX5, and thinking with a bit of BBR fettling, not through forced induction, but the more traditional NAsp works, plus suspension, brakes and freer flowing exhaust and I'd have a more enjoyable road going. That alongside a Caterham for trackdays would just be my ideal.
Plus the new ND MX5 in the right colour, and not in RF guise, is a rather well proportioned pretty little thing.
hondansx said:
Just be careful of that - test drive for sure! Going back to an older car you thought was brilliant at the time can be a disappointment. At least in my experience.
he meant the latest MX, he still has an old one.nasp fettle the latest version (and suspension) and i agree that miata really is the answer. complemented with a boring 2L barge for mway.
real answer to this debate is a Merc Sprinter van with a Caterham in the back. 1500kg doesn't make a good road going sports car.
greenarrow said:
Another fun article would be the Cayman R vs the BMW 1M. They were both rivals in 2011 and I think the Cayman is the cheaper car now...
I think that would just reinforce the Porsche victories over the 1M from 2011 in EVO and Autocar ( unless you need 4 seats )https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/tester-s-notes/1...
Don Colione said:
SidewaysSi said:
Are you shagging a GT86? It's an OK car but it ain't no Porsche. It's just a bit of cheap fun.
Lol, are your feelings hurt over some stupid cars, that ultimately mean nothing?"It's just a bit of cheap fun" - That's the whole point.
lets move on from talking about the toyota and back to the cars that were reviewed.
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