RE: Behold the new Toyota Supra!
Discussion
AC43 said:
What on earth is going on with Japanese car styling at the moment? It's gone mental. The Civic, the new Prius, that Toyota urban crossover coupe hybrid thing, the entire Lexus range and now this.
To my eyes they are a cacophony of swoops, slots, lumps, bumps, extrusions, flaps and all manner of strange bits of glued-on plastic.
Ahm oot.
Inspired by Gundam exclusively nowTo my eyes they are a cacophony of swoops, slots, lumps, bumps, extrusions, flaps and all manner of strange bits of glued-on plastic.
Ahm oot.
I really don't think it looks that bad
https://youtu.be/I74_kKtJyjs?t=222
I do think it could benefit with a proper Rear wing though.
https://youtu.be/I74_kKtJyjs?t=222
I do think it could benefit with a proper Rear wing though.
its just 2nd rate
i have that switch gear in my 2014 1 series
toyota have been mugged off soo hard
just look at the latest gear inside the z4
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/pebble-beach-2018...
i have that switch gear in my 2014 1 series
toyota have been mugged off soo hard
just look at the latest gear inside the z4
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/pebble-beach-2018...
Pumpsmynads said:
As many are saying, the Supra ought to have been at the GT-R level & price point. As it was 15/20 years ago.
A Toyota equivalent to a BMW Z4 or Porsche Cayman/Boxster would be a new MR2, that could slot in above the GT86 now. The Supra was an equivalent to a Skyline or NSX.Whilst the pricing does seem to be very high, I think a direct comparison price wise to the M2 is missing the point - this is a proper 2 seater sports car not a quick version of a standard saloon. Whether this means it is worth as much as an M2 or not is debatable but I don't think they are necessarily designed to appeal to the same people.
I am more surprised that it is priced at this level given the similarities to the Z4 given the strength of the BMW brand against the Toyota brand
I also don't get the criticism for the elements of this that have been taken from the Z4. It's got a great engine and I was never really aware that Toyota interiors had any particular appeal.
If BMW go onto making a coupe version of the Z4 as they did with the e85/6 generation then I think the Toyota becomes a very niche product
I am more surprised that it is priced at this level given the similarities to the Z4 given the strength of the BMW brand against the Toyota brand
I also don't get the criticism for the elements of this that have been taken from the Z4. It's got a great engine and I was never really aware that Toyota interiors had any particular appeal.
If BMW go onto making a coupe version of the Z4 as they did with the e85/6 generation then I think the Toyota becomes a very niche product
Chamon_Lee said:
fernando the frog said:
you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about
lol such a MASSIVE difference
Which is essentially what it is isn't it?
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Chamon_Lee said:
fernando the frog said:
you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about
lol such a MASSIVE difference
Which is essentially what it is isn't it?
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te RumbleOfThunder said:
The concept didn't have to adhere to safety regs and the production car does. That's the long and short of it.
No excuse, good design involves working to constraints, that’s where the skill is. Don’t draw something cool with zero constraints then massively compromise that to fit legals, and when criticised expect to be excused. The designer’s job is to make something that works and is pleasing to the eye. They have dropped the ball. There are plenty of visual tricks you can play to make up for a less than ideal platform, zero points for effort. vz-r_dave said:
The concept Supra is easily a 100k car. There is no way they could package that up in a 55k price range.
If we ignore the Cayman/Boxster, what if Porsche teased the 992 911 to the world, then instead platform/parts share with the front-engined Audi TT platform? How about marrying it to a Subaru 4 pot motor with an 'accessible' £50k base price tag? The marketing dept and PH driving gods go round preaching that 190 HP is all you need in today's roads, and that we are spoilt as it has 50 HP more than the original 911's from the 1960s...It's a load of bull and they would lose many buyers as a result.
The point is there were buyers waiting years for a new Supra off the back of the achievements and capabilities of the MKIV, and would be willing to go well beyond £55k. Had the car were not underpinned from another car maker's design with a serious image problem (BMW), offered more power/performance out of the factory, more roomy, and had scope for growth in a racing/aftermarket capacity etc etc
A very risk averse move from Toyota and only goes to hurt the Supra brand, making a future generation model even less likely.
Venturist said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
The concept didn't have to adhere to safety regs and the production car does. That's the long and short of it.
No excuse, good design involves working to constraints, that’s where the skill is. Don’t draw something cool with zero constraints then massively compromise that to fit legals, and when criticised expect to be excused. The designer’s job is to make something that works and is pleasing to the eye. They have dropped the ball. There are plenty of visual tricks you can play to make up for a less than ideal platform, zero points for effort. 
Gooly said:
So basically you prefer overweight overpowered straight-line heros over actual drivers cars? God forbid Toyota make a car thats actually fun to drive like the S2000 and RX8 were...
"Actual drivers cars" ....I've owned the S2000 and driven an RX-8 a number of times 10-15 years back, and have plenty of real world experiences of other drivers who tend to be very aggressive and exposed to higher risk to make progress in underpowered cars of 'sporty' pretensions.
There is nothing fun in having your foot planted down for several seconds, you wait and wait, 'boshing thru the gears' and find you cant get away from an automatic turbo diesel minicab.
And for your reference, the MKIV Supra weighed between 1490 KG to 1600 KG depending on market and trim/transmission - was powerful and light enough to compete with entry level supercars and fast GTs of the day.
You cannot say the same about the MKV model which will have a remapped 2013 Golf GTI up its backside...
RumbleOfThunder said:
The concept didn't have to adhere to safety regs and the production car does. That's the long and short of it.
That then surely fails as a concept then doesn't it?A concept is surely what they could produce that is feasible ?
No point producing a concept that is basically an F1 car and saying to the market "look at this little gem and its performance", knowing that road production regs will make it look more like a Renault Twizy for example.
Dismay aimed at Toyota of course, not you Rumble.
gooly said:
The old Supra wasn't exactly a looker in standard form on its standard wheels and 4x4 suspension
The MKIV had fully independent double wishbone type suspension, front and rear. With firm damping in comparison to the BMW M cars and the 911s of the day. And more more sporty than the old BMW semi-trailing arm smoker barges you have in your portfolio of fail...Please get your facts straight.
Olivera said:
It was pretty much ignored by all keen drivers and those wanting to look respectable, but later adored by pre-pubescent fast and the furious fans.
It was ignored only in Europe, because @ £40k it was in direct competition with the BMW M3 and various other premium marques that overlapped the segment the Supra was positioned in. I seen plenty of Western europe press reaction at the time and it was at odds with what the Japanese and the US were saying.In otherwords, badge snobbery.
The JZA80 was a very capable platform, massive success in GT racing and the so-called pre-pubescent fast and furious fans who ditched their V8 muscle platforms who then go on to run Supras that run 8-9-10 second 1/4 mile times.
TwinExit said:
Gooly said:
So basically you prefer overweight overpowered straight-line heros over actual drivers cars? God forbid Toyota make a car thats actually fun to drive like the S2000 and RX8 were...
"Actual drivers cars" ....I've owned the S2000 and driven an RX-8 a number of times 10-15 years back, and have plenty of real world experiences of other drivers who tend to be very aggressive and exposed to higher risk to make progress in underpowered cars of 'sporty' pretensions.
There is nothing fun in having your foot planted down for several seconds, you wait and wait, 'boshing thru the gears' and find you cant get away from an automatic turbo diesel minicab.
And for your reference, the MKIV Supra weighed between 1490 KG to 1600 KG depending on market and trim/transmission - was powerful and light enough to compete with entry level supercars and fast GTs of the day.
You cannot say the same about the MKV model which will have a remapped 2013 Golf GTI up its backside...
TwinExit said:
"Actual drivers cars" ....
I've owned the S2000 and driven an RX-8 a number of times 10-15 years back, and have plenty of real world experiences of other drivers who tend to be very aggressive and exposed to higher risk to make progress in underpowered cars of 'sporty' pretensions.
There is nothing fun in having your foot planted down for several seconds, you wait and wait, 'boshing thru the gears' and find you cant get away from an automatic turbo diesel minicab.
And for your reference, the MKIV Supra weighed between 1490 KG to 1600 KG depending on market and trim/transmission - was powerful and light enough to compete with entry level supercars and fast GTs of the day.
You cannot say the same about the MKV model which will have a remapped 2013 Golf GTI up its backside...
Well if thats what you want go and buy an Automatic Turbo diesel minicab and leave the fun cars for us I've owned the S2000 and driven an RX-8 a number of times 10-15 years back, and have plenty of real world experiences of other drivers who tend to be very aggressive and exposed to higher risk to make progress in underpowered cars of 'sporty' pretensions.
There is nothing fun in having your foot planted down for several seconds, you wait and wait, 'boshing thru the gears' and find you cant get away from an automatic turbo diesel minicab.
And for your reference, the MKIV Supra weighed between 1490 KG to 1600 KG depending on market and trim/transmission - was powerful and light enough to compete with entry level supercars and fast GTs of the day.
You cannot say the same about the MKV model which will have a remapped 2013 Golf GTI up its backside...
TwinExit said:
Gooly said:
So basically you prefer overweight overpowered straight-line heros over actual drivers cars? God forbid Toyota make a car thats actually fun to drive like the S2000 and RX8 were...
"Actual drivers cars" ....I've owned the S2000 and driven an RX-8 a number of times 10-15 years back, and have plenty of real world experiences of other drivers who tend to be very aggressive and exposed to higher risk to make progress in underpowered cars of 'sporty' pretensions.
There is nothing fun in having your foot planted down for several seconds, you wait and wait, 'boshing thru the gears' and find you cant get away from an automatic turbo diesel minicab.
And for your reference, the MKIV Supra weighed between 1490 KG to 1600 KG depending on market and trim/transmission - was powerful and light enough to compete with entry level supercars and fast GTs of the day.
You cannot say the same about the MKV model which will have a remapped 2013 Golf GTI up its backside...
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