RE: Behold the new Toyota Supra!

RE: Behold the new Toyota Supra!

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kambites

56,070 posts

160 months

Friday 18th January
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130R said:
f this car undercut the Cayman and Alpine by ~ £10K it would make more sense. At the same price, well ..
Whatever Toyota say about it being a "pure sports car" I think this is inevitably going to be more of a competitor for the F-Type, SLK, Z4, etc. than the Cayman or Alpine.

housen

1,502 posts

131 months

Friday 18th January
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kambites said:
130R said:
f this car undercut the Cayman and Alpine by ~ £10K it would make more sense. At the same price, well ..
Whatever Toyota say about it being a "pure sports car" I think this is inevitably going to be more of a competitor for the F-Type, SLK, Z4, etc. than the Cayman or Alpine.
the z4 really ?

selym

6,805 posts

110 months

Friday 18th January
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Don Colione said:
cossers said:
Don Colione said:
Lol, add these to the "bingo" card....
What’s that even mean?
I think the fact that this was even joked about speaks volumes. It's quite a fussy looking car - a lot going on.

poo at Paul's

6,801 posts

114 months

Friday 18th January
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loudlashadjuster said:
ZX10R NIN said:
900bhp 335 touring

https://youtu.be/r9mDayTeJNI
Most of those 900 nags look to have been turned into glue before that video was shot.
Agree, what a load of fking pony!! Sounds shyte, looks gash and goes slow!! Good job Tuner Man!

Centurion07

7,020 posts

186 months

Friday 18th January
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Don Colione said:
Lol, add these to the "bingo" card....
Doesn't make them any less true.

You're trying to argue people are judging something without having seen it in the flesh. Which they are. But they're not saying it's a terrible car. They're saying it's a terrible car compared to the concept.

Your bingo card can't change the fact Toyota teased one thing and delivered something else entirely.

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housen

1,502 posts

131 months

Friday 18th January
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Centurion07 said:
Don Colione said:
Lol, add these to the "bingo" card....
Doesn't make them any less true.

You're trying to argue people are judging something without having seen it in the flesh. Which they are. But they're not saying it's a terrible car. They're saying it's a terrible car compared to the concept.

Your bingo card can't change the fact Toyota teased one thing and delivered something else entirely.
and the fact 90% is a bmw

vz-r_dave

3,345 posts

157 months

Friday 18th January
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Centurion07 said:
Don Colione said:
Lol, add these to the "bingo" card....
Doesn't make them any less true.

You're trying to argue people are judging something without having seen it in the flesh. Which they are. But they're not saying it's a terrible car. They're saying it's a terrible car compared to the concept.

Your bingo card can't change the fact Toyota teased one thing and delivered something else entirely.
If they delivered the concept it would have been a 100k+ car, anyone who thought that the concept would cost 50k (ish) are fools.

Edited by vz-r_dave on Friday 18th January 17:41

Amirhussain

10,903 posts

102 months

Friday 18th January
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lick

va1o

15,840 posts

146 months

Friday 18th January
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codieskid said:
Thankyou4calling said:
codieskid said:
I've just seen the worst thing about the new Supra for us in the UK and that's the price comparison to what it will cost in the US.

UK start price - £56,945
US start price - £39,356

Why the hell are UK customers paying a 45% premium over US customers, absolutely crazy

1. It’ll be a different specification
2. Things are often different prices in different countries.
3. Companies can charge what they like.

TY4C
What's interesting though is if you look at the price of the Lexus LC500 as a comparison the price difference is much closer

Lexus LC500 USA – From £73,744
Lexus LC500 US – From £71,122

That works out at about 3.5% increase for UK buyers over US so why is the Supra 45% difference? The specs won't be that much of a difference between the two countries
Z4 prices are much closer between regions, and slightly cheaper over here. I was expecting the Supra in the UK to be cheaper than the Z4...

BMW Z4 M40i USA - From £50,243
BMW Z4 M40i UK - From £49,050

Centurion07

7,020 posts

186 months

Saturday 19th January
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vz-r_dave said:
If they delivered the concept it would have been a 100k+ car, anyone who thought that the concept would cost 50k (ish) are fools.
Quite. Personally I was under no illusion that that concept, had it been what made it to market, would've been anything less than £70K at a bare minimum.

If Nissan can sell GTRs at what, £80K are they now, then I'm damn sure Toyota could've sold this far more beautiful creation for a little more.

curlie467

7,650 posts

140 months

Sunday 20th January
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Can't be arsed reading the thread so apologies if its already been posted but the first one sold for 2.1 million at barret Jackson.

sbk1972

139 posts

15 months

Monday 21st January
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Friend of mine is a senior Toyota technician and has already been on / passed the tech course for the new supra.

They were told that there are issues with the engine already, seems many have popped around 14K miles.

He mentioned it's BMW through and through, in fact booklets / tools are BMW.

He used to service my Mkiv TT back in the day and reckons the old Mkiv was built far better, stronger.

The course covered all engines including the 2.0L.


if in doubt

77 posts

62 months

Monday 21st January
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sbk1972 said:
Friend of mine is a senior Toyota technician and has already been on / passed the tech course for the new supra.

They were told that there are issues with the engine already, seems many have popped around 14K miles.
That statement needs some qualification, none have been delivered to customers yet. Have the press cars gone pop?

sbk1972

139 posts

15 months

Monday 21st January
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Engines / versions of the engines are used in other models and have had issues which the course alerted these guys too.


wookster

3 posts

2 months

Monday 21st January
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such a shame, the prior Supra's were awesome

vz-r_dave

3,345 posts

157 months

Monday 21st January
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Amirhussain said:
lick
Hang on that picture makes the Supra look good, this is unacceptable on a forum that passes judgement purely on photos and write ups..... please take it down. wink

va1o

15,840 posts

146 months

Monday 21st January
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sbk1972 said:
Engines / versions of the engines are used in other models and have had issues which the course alerted these guys too.
Hmm I'm not convinced. It's the same B58 unit that BMW have been using for nearly 3-years. I'm not hearing many M140i or M240i owners reporting major problems, it actually seems like quite a solid unit...

Might report back here in a few months after I've hit 14k miles in my Z4 M40i wink

BoostedRE

2 posts

3 months

Friday 25th January
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Not 4 me, My father in law has had every generation of supra and ive driven them all. Well out of warranty no faults straight through mots and pretty much bullet proof all of them. With all the BMW tech i dont think this 1 will be like those. No japanese heart either, could have used the ISF 5.0 lump, shame. Ive owned plenty of and still lust after a few 90/0000 JDM metal and this 1 like the current crop coming from the rising sun is not on my radar.

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 25th January
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sbk1972 said:
Engines / versions of the engines are used in other models and have had issues which the course alerted these guys too.
Good old German quality. As lovely a car as this is, Toyota owners are going to get a shock when this starts packing up when their prior steads didn't give one ounce of trouble.

German car drivers are used to unreliability and major technical issues. Toyota owners aren't because these are cars of quality.

Try finding a Lexus RCF would be my advice, or at least Toyota lifting the V8 from it and getting it in this.

grumpynuts

820 posts

99 months

Friday 25th January
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All the ignorance and opinions on PH are making me chuckle. PH seems to encourage mini Clarksons, all with sweeping statements and opinions based upon a few poor photographs their own assumptions. None of you have seen one in the flesh or even driven it and are slagging it off. Read the early road tests from respected road testers, and they all give it top marks as a drivers car,and that's not even a production car. Many tweaks will be done before it hits the showrooms and it will be competitive against an Alpine and a Cayman. This is why it is priced similarly to a Cayman, it will be good enough as a drivers car to command that price on merit. Configure a Cayman to a similar spec, and see how much it comes out at, and that only has a farty 4 cylinder engine.
Also, for those who think it's a Z4 in drag, go back to school and do some research, it's really quite different, especially in the way the driver touch points have been configured. Ignorance is bliss they say.