RE: Behold the new Toyota Supra!
Discussion
vz-r_dave said:
If they delivered the concept it would have been a 100k+ car, anyone who thought that the concept would cost 50k (ish) are fools.
Quite. Personally I was under no illusion that that concept, had it been what made it to market, would've been anything less than £70K at a bare minimum.If Nissan can sell GTRs at what, £80K are they now, then I'm damn sure Toyota could've sold this far more beautiful creation for a little more.
Friend of mine is a senior Toyota technician and has already been on / passed the tech course for the new supra.
They were told that there are issues with the engine already, seems many have popped around 14K miles.
He mentioned it's BMW through and through, in fact booklets / tools are BMW.
He used to service my Mkiv TT back in the day and reckons the old Mkiv was built far better, stronger.
The course covered all engines including the 2.0L.
They were told that there are issues with the engine already, seems many have popped around 14K miles.
He mentioned it's BMW through and through, in fact booklets / tools are BMW.
He used to service my Mkiv TT back in the day and reckons the old Mkiv was built far better, stronger.
The course covered all engines including the 2.0L.
sbk1972 said:
Friend of mine is a senior Toyota technician and has already been on / passed the tech course for the new supra.
They were told that there are issues with the engine already, seems many have popped around 14K miles.
That statement needs some qualification, none have been delivered to customers yet. Have the press cars gone pop?They were told that there are issues with the engine already, seems many have popped around 14K miles.
sbk1972 said:
Engines / versions of the engines are used in other models and have had issues which the course alerted these guys too.
Hmm I'm not convinced. It's the same B58 unit that BMW have been using for nearly 3-years. I'm not hearing many M140i or M240i owners reporting major problems, it actually seems like quite a solid unit... Might report back here in a few months after I've hit 14k miles in my Z4 M40i
Not 4 me, My father in law has had every generation of supra and ive driven them all. Well out of warranty no faults straight through mots and pretty much bullet proof all of them. With all the BMW tech i dont think this 1 will be like those. No japanese heart either, could have used the ISF 5.0 lump, shame. Ive owned plenty of and still lust after a few 90/0000 JDM metal and this 1 like the current crop coming from the rising sun is not on my radar.
sbk1972 said:
Engines / versions of the engines are used in other models and have had issues which the course alerted these guys too.
Good old German quality. As lovely a car as this is, Toyota owners are going to get a shock when this starts packing up when their prior steads didn't give one ounce of trouble.German car drivers are used to unreliability and major technical issues. Toyota owners aren't because these are cars of quality.
Try finding a Lexus RCF would be my advice, or at least Toyota lifting the V8 from it and getting it in this.
All the ignorance and opinions on PH are making me chuckle. PH seems to encourage mini Clarksons, all with sweeping statements and opinions based upon a few poor photographs their own assumptions. None of you have seen one in the flesh or even driven it and are slagging it off. Read the early road tests from respected road testers, and they all give it top marks as a drivers car,and that's not even a production car. Many tweaks will be done before it hits the showrooms and it will be competitive against an Alpine and a Cayman. This is why it is priced similarly to a Cayman, it will be good enough as a drivers car to command that price on merit. Configure a Cayman to a similar spec, and see how much it comes out at, and that only has a farty 4 cylinder engine.
Also, for those who think it's a Z4 in drag, go back to school and do some research, it's really quite different, especially in the way the driver touch points have been configured. Ignorance is bliss they say.
Also, for those who think it's a Z4 in drag, go back to school and do some research, it's really quite different, especially in the way the driver touch points have been configured. Ignorance is bliss they say.
grumpynuts said:
All the ignorance and opinions on PH are making me chuckle. PH seems to encourage mini Clarksons, all with sweeping statements and opinions based upon a few poor photographs their own assumptions. None of you have seen one in the flesh or even driven it and are slagging it off. Read the early road tests from respected road testers, and they all give it top marks as a drivers car,and that's not even a production car. Many tweaks will be done before it hits the showrooms and it will be competitive against an Alpine and a Cayman. This is why it is priced similarly to a Cayman, it will be good enough as a drivers car to command that price on merit. Configure a Cayman to a similar spec, and see how much it comes out at, and that only has a farty 4 cylinder engine.
Also, for those who think it's a Z4 in drag, go back to school and do some research, it's really quite different, especially in the way the driver touch points have been configured. Ignorance is bliss they say.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that's seen this car testing on the Nurburgring in camouflage ? They were putting it round last year at the same time as the new z4 , I must say , it looked to handle better than the equivalent z4 and seemed faster but that could be down to the driver and the test requirements , however , it is the only car I've ever seen look better in test track camouflage than manufacturers promotional pics . And I really wanted to like this car , I'd guess it's great to drive by what I saw at the ring though .Also, for those who think it's a Z4 in drag, go back to school and do some research, it's really quite different, especially in the way the driver touch points have been configured. Ignorance is bliss they say.
I’m old enough (and dull enough) to remember previous generations of the supra.
I like the looks so far - all except the profile which looks as though there are too many bolt on bits.
The issue I think is that porsche have already covered a lot of the marketplace.
Ok heads-up I have a new A110. The originalA110 battled against the 911 in its day and so did its offspring.
The new A110 is pitched at cayman s and that works - the 911 has moved on again price wise .
The supra is no longer pitched as a cheap 911 as the market moves on.
My only observation is that it only offers 6 cylinders in a (comparatively) heavy car. Litchfield tune the A110 to 320hp so if you are chasing numbers that still looks good.
I wish the supra all the best as we need growth in this market place. All those with deposits down take a look at the car and then make a decision.
I almost dumped my a110 deposit as the info flow was very poor but the car is superb. Glad I stuck with it
The number of pork owners who wave suggests to me that competition in this marketplace is welcomed by enthusiasts - the next cayster must be lighter surely......
I like the looks so far - all except the profile which looks as though there are too many bolt on bits.
The issue I think is that porsche have already covered a lot of the marketplace.
Ok heads-up I have a new A110. The originalA110 battled against the 911 in its day and so did its offspring.
The new A110 is pitched at cayman s and that works - the 911 has moved on again price wise .
The supra is no longer pitched as a cheap 911 as the market moves on.
My only observation is that it only offers 6 cylinders in a (comparatively) heavy car. Litchfield tune the A110 to 320hp so if you are chasing numbers that still looks good.
I wish the supra all the best as we need growth in this market place. All those with deposits down take a look at the car and then make a decision.
I almost dumped my a110 deposit as the info flow was very poor but the car is superb. Glad I stuck with it
The number of pork owners who wave suggests to me that competition in this marketplace is welcomed by enthusiasts - the next cayster must be lighter surely......
As a Toyota fan I was genuinely excited by this and the FT-1 is just gorgeous, but in all honesty I think the GT86 is a sleeker and better looking sports car, plus it has a nicer genuine Toyota interior and a manual box.
Add a £10 000 supercharger and brake/handling upgrade kit and it will be as fast or faster and still £10000+ less too:
Saxon
Add a £10 000 supercharger and brake/handling upgrade kit and it will be as fast or faster and still £10000+ less too:
Saxon
saxon said:
As a Toyota fan I was genuinely excited by this and the FT-1 is just gorgeous, but in all honesty I think the GT86 is a sleeker and better looking sports car, plus it has a nicer genuine Toyota interior and a manual box.
Add a £10 000 supercharger and brake/handling upgrade kit and it will be as fast or faster and still £10000+ less too:
Saxon
Has a nicer genuine Toyota interior? Add a £10 000 supercharger and brake/handling upgrade kit and it will be as fast or faster and still £10000+ less too:
Saxon
Genuine Toyota interiors are horrible and the 86 is nowhere near as nice as the new Supra’s.
The rest? Thats like saying having 2 weeks in Beindorm is as good as 2 weeks in the Maldives because they’re both sunny.
Probably the first of many, but these guys are offering a 2JZ twin turbo engine swap https://www.driven.co.nz/news/news/company-reveal-...
No price and not many details yet.
No price and not many details yet.
saxon said:
As a Toyota fan I was genuinely excited by this and the FT-1 is just gorgeous, but in all honesty I think the GT86 is a sleeker and better looking sports car, plus it has a nicer genuine Toyota interior and a manual box.
Add a £10 000 supercharger and brake/handling upgrade kit and it will be as fast or faster and still £10000+ less too:
Saxon
Certainly not a bad looking car. But somewhat “mass produced” visually. The styling is quite flat and they don’t really stand out. The new Supra certainly looks a lot sharper visually. Add a £10 000 supercharger and brake/handling upgrade kit and it will be as fast or faster and still £10000+ less too:
Saxon
And let’s be honest. How many people would really spank £10k in mods on a brand new car and jeopardise the warranty? It’s a hell of a gamble if it all goes tits up.
ajprice said:
Probably the first of many, but these guys are offering a 2JZ twin turbo engine swap https://www.driven.co.nz/news/news/company-reveal-...
No price and not many details yet.
An advert to get attention that's all that is, they won't even have their hands on the new Supra yet and why go to all that trouble of fitting an over-priced 25 year old engine them the BMW lump can hit big numbers anyway, and for the cost of the conversion just build the BM lump that's already in it... No price and not many details yet.
I think the point is that the GT86 while not having genuine supercar road presence actually is a very well resolved design whereas the new Supra looks like a series of bolt on scoops and I feel the back doesn't look right at all. As for the interior then I do feel that this GT86 interior:
Is a far more sporting, driver focused and nicer place to be than this Supra interior which looks just like a BMW saloon:
Everyone's opinion is different of course. Personally I would have liked to see Toyota ape some of the McLaren design language for interiors - alcantara, simple, driver focused - in short like the GT86 but with a lot more money spent on materials.
Saxon
Is a far more sporting, driver focused and nicer place to be than this Supra interior which looks just like a BMW saloon:
Everyone's opinion is different of course. Personally I would have liked to see Toyota ape some of the McLaren design language for interiors - alcantara, simple, driver focused - in short like the GT86 but with a lot more money spent on materials.
Saxon
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