RE: McLaren 600LT Spider unleashed
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GranCab said:
I presume you meant the Macca ... 
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jayemm89 said:
I am not surprised that the car exists, however I am surprised at the timing.
The last I checked McLaren were struggling to fulfill all the slots for the 600LT Coupe, people had already begun to try and flip early ones for a profit (which will not work when you can walk into a dealer and get a slot).
I expect a lot of dealers are going to have angry customers who've ordered the Coupe wanting to know when they can change their build slot..
Wrt to this one, I don't think any 600lt coupe owners can complain. The spider very obviously was going to happen and Mclaren themselves had widely indicated it would happen within a year of the coupe being launched when asked about coupe production numbers.The last I checked McLaren were struggling to fulfill all the slots for the 600LT Coupe, people had already begun to try and flip early ones for a profit (which will not work when you can walk into a dealer and get a slot).
I expect a lot of dealers are going to have angry customers who've ordered the Coupe wanting to know when they can change their build slot..
How Mclaren aim to get sufficient 720 spider orders to fit their production numbers of the P14 cars is a bit trickier I agree. The coupe is offered at large discounts both very lightly used and afaik new orders too. The main coupe owners that are going to be happy to change up are most likely the very recent buyers of cars at good discounts. Be interesting to see what the dealerships are offering as PX to a spider tbh, assuming they even are offering to take the coupes....
isaldiri said:
There's too little differentiation in price between this and the 720 spider imo. Especially once you pack in with the supposedly 'resale required' carbon fibre options.
Drive them then say that!I've driven most the McLaren range, did 20k miles in my 650 and 4k miles in my 675LT
650 and 675 are nothing like each other, they may share tub and some other components but they are far from the same
Same goes for 600LT vsd 720, 720 is a LOT more GT, no comparison even on price!
Gameface said:
The post alluded to new cars being discounted by £75k and where does it say either of them were optioned to over £250k?
Neither car is new and the first one is well used 13k miler FFS.
I can't be arsed to work out the list on either ... but a bit of carbon and some fancy paint etc will soon bring them up to near that sort of sum.Neither car is new and the first one is well used 13k miler FFS.
And don't forget the stealers probably gave the previous owners around £20K less than those sales prices .....
GranCab said:
Gameface said:
The post alluded to new cars being discounted by £75k and where does it say either of them were optioned to over £250k?
Neither car is new and the first one is well used 13k miler FFS.
I can't be arsed to work out the list on either ... but a bit of carbon and some fancy paint etc will soon bring them up to near that sort of sum.Neither car is new and the first one is well used 13k miler FFS.
And don't forget the stealers probably gave the previous owners around £20K less than those sales prices .....
Gameface said:
GranCab said:
Gameface said:
The post alluded to new cars being discounted by £75k and where does it say either of them were optioned to over £250k?
Neither car is new and the first one is well used 13k miler FFS.
I can't be arsed to work out the list on either ... but a bit of carbon and some fancy paint etc will soon bring them up to near that sort of sum.Neither car is new and the first one is well used 13k miler FFS.
And don't forget the stealers probably gave the previous owners around £20K less than those sales prices .....
There are over 50 720S for sale atm out of approx. 350 registered in the UK ......
mikey k said:
Drive them then say that!
I've driven most the McLaren range, did 20k miles in my 650 and 4k miles in my 675LT
650 and 675 are nothing like each other, they may share tub and some other components but they are far from the same
Same goes for 600LT vsd 720, 720 is a LOT more GT, no comparison even on price!
The 600 and 720 obviously are going to drive differently. I've driven most the McLaren range, did 20k miles in my 650 and 4k miles in my 675LT
650 and 675 are nothing like each other, they may share tub and some other components but they are far from the same
Same goes for 600LT vsd 720, 720 is a LOT more GT, no comparison even on price!
You missed my general point though, that the 600LT is being priced as a limited edition car and once you count in options it's going to be approaching the price of the next tier model which both has a greater range of capability and is also a lot faster. I agree the 720 is a lot more 'GT' an experience on the road but once it's specced similarly (trofeo tyres, bucket seats, harnesses), on track, the 720 is going to be an absolute monster and I suspect not far off, if at all the 600LT. Plus a spider with fixed wing is imo particularly daft an idea.
isaldiri said:
mikey k said:
Drive them then say that!
I've driven most the McLaren range, did 20k miles in my 650 and 4k miles in my 675LT
650 and 675 are nothing like each other, they may share tub and some other components but they are far from the same
Same goes for 600LT vsd 720, 720 is a LOT more GT, no comparison even on price!
The 600 and 720 obviously are going to drive differently. I've driven most the McLaren range, did 20k miles in my 650 and 4k miles in my 675LT
650 and 675 are nothing like each other, they may share tub and some other components but they are far from the same
Same goes for 600LT vsd 720, 720 is a LOT more GT, no comparison even on price!
You missed my general point though, that the 600LT is being priced as a limited edition car and once you count in options it's going to be approaching the price of the next tier model which both has a greater range of capability and is also a lot faster. I agree the 720 is a lot more 'GT' an experience on the road but once it's specced similarly (trofeo tyres, bucket seats, harnesses), on track, the 720 is going to be an absolute monster and I suspect not far off, if at all the 600LT. Plus a spider with fixed wing is imo particularly daft an idea.
I've driven a 720 Track Pack round Silverstone, its good but not as nimble as the LT is. Horses for coarse as the phrase goes, though some can't see that.
I'm with you on the wing especially as it had to be coated to stop it melting
Had my name down for one of these after a moved from a 720 spider slot.
Now moved again to a 765LT slot and keeping my 675LT in the meantime.
_Leg_ said:
I don't really understand why. I look at it, it looks great (although I'm still not keen on the sports series front end), the numbers are great. But then, I just can't bring myself to buy a McLaren for some reason. I had a 570s Spider on a 3 day test too. Didn't stir me at all. I only have to look at my 458 Spider in the garage and I start grinning. I'm aware it's bizarre. I try, I look at McLarens, and nothing.
It reminds me of a conversation between Rimmer and Lister on Red Dwarf. Rimmer is McLaren, Lister and his sandwich are Ferrari. I'm not saying McLarens are despised by everyone and I'm not having a dig at McLaren (see above) but there is a general kind of 'imperfect but loveable' nature to Ferrari and a 'perfect but unloved' nature about McLarens, bizarre.
Interestingly, in the Evo Car of the Year test, 'capable but too clinical' was their assessment of the 488 Pista, while they rated the 600LT as being the more characterful, and therefore appealing package.It reminds me of a conversation between Rimmer and Lister on Red Dwarf. Rimmer is McLaren, Lister and his sandwich are Ferrari. I'm not saying McLarens are despised by everyone and I'm not having a dig at McLaren (see above) but there is a general kind of 'imperfect but loveable' nature to Ferrari and a 'perfect but unloved' nature about McLarens, bizarre.
If that's to be believed, then perhaps the tables are turning.
Twincharged said:
_Leg_ said:
I don't really understand why. I look at it, it looks great (although I'm still not keen on the sports series front end), the numbers are great. But then, I just can't bring myself to buy a McLaren for some reason. I had a 570s Spider on a 3 day test too. Didn't stir me at all. I only have to look at my 458 Spider in the garage and I start grinning. I'm aware it's bizarre. I try, I look at McLarens, and nothing.
It reminds me of a conversation between Rimmer and Lister on Red Dwarf. Rimmer is McLaren, Lister and his sandwich are Ferrari. I'm not saying McLarens are despised by everyone and I'm not having a dig at McLaren (see above) but there is a general kind of 'imperfect but loveable' nature to Ferrari and a 'perfect but unloved' nature about McLarens, bizarre.
Interestingly, in the Evo Car of the Year test, 'capable but too clinical' was their assessment of the 488 Pista, while they rated the 600LT as being the more characterful, and therefore appealing package.It reminds me of a conversation between Rimmer and Lister on Red Dwarf. Rimmer is McLaren, Lister and his sandwich are Ferrari. I'm not saying McLarens are despised by everyone and I'm not having a dig at McLaren (see above) but there is a general kind of 'imperfect but loveable' nature to Ferrari and a 'perfect but unloved' nature about McLarens, bizarre.
If that's to be believed, then perhaps the tables are turning.
I've driven a Pista and own a 675LT and would make the same observation
Mclaren know they need to add more character to theirs cars handling
The 720 is ballistically fast but doesn't engage you, that's why I bought the more engaging 675LT.
Looking forward to the 765LT
Sandpit Steve said:
The LT versions appear to suffer significantly less depreciation than the ‘standard’ models, probably due to the limited production runs on these cars. 675LT is a monster, God only knows what the LT version of the 720 is going to be like, the standard one is already pretty much the fastest car you can buy for less than a million quid.
The original 12C is also now under £100k and unlikely to depreciate a lot more, the well used ones seem more reliable than the garage queens as the hydraulic bits and pieces don’t like sitting around for months on end.
If I was to buy a supercar I would daily it, and the 12C is actually what I would buy. I think they look better than the 650S, projector xenons are superior to LEDs as well, with the right internals (morimoto's). The original 12C is also now under £100k and unlikely to depreciate a lot more, the well used ones seem more reliable than the garage queens as the hydraulic bits and pieces don’t like sitting around for months on end.
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