RE: Porsche 911 Carrera S (992): Driven
Discussion
Cupramax said:
PH said twin-turbo straight-six
Really, I mean REALLY! FFS get a proof reader,
fReally, I mean REALLY! FFS get a proof reader,
k fk fk fk fk - a thousand apologies. My error, adding in spec late and not paying full attention. Probably noticed it was 2cc off an M3 twin-turbo straight six. Anyway, no excuse, please accept me feeling like a proper tool as some kind of recompense. And the spec now saying V6, of course 
(It is sorted, honest).
Matt
dgswk said:
So I’ve stuck my money down on one, so I am biased - but
Love the wide body look, so to have it on a boggo C2S is a real bonus for me
It looks the nuts, brighter colours work really well IMHO, ive gone for racing yellow + black look
Cant afford a Turbo / GT version, and an R8 / Aston is a good few ££££ more (new)
My £99,820 C2S delivers a great spec car (exhaust, Bose, chrono, pasm)
Yeah, an M4 etc is good, but those were never a poster car for me, the 911 is iconic
I’m financing it and the relatively low depreciation just makes the numbers work
Is it a sports car or a gt car? Dont know, dont really care, but i do know it will be a blast on a sunday morning and will effortlessly deliver mrs dgswk to the south of france via the alps from time to time without complaint. If thats the target customer, then bullseye Porsche. And I will smile eveytime i walk past it on the drive and get in my shed car and go to work....
Bravo! Sounds a good spec, think you'll really enjoy it.Love the wide body look, so to have it on a boggo C2S is a real bonus for me
It looks the nuts, brighter colours work really well IMHO, ive gone for racing yellow + black look
Cant afford a Turbo / GT version, and an R8 / Aston is a good few ££££ more (new)
My £99,820 C2S delivers a great spec car (exhaust, Bose, chrono, pasm)
Yeah, an M4 etc is good, but those were never a poster car for me, the 911 is iconic
I’m financing it and the relatively low depreciation just makes the numbers work
Is it a sports car or a gt car? Dont know, dont really care, but i do know it will be a blast on a sunday morning and will effortlessly deliver mrs dgswk to the south of france via the alps from time to time without complaint. If thats the target customer, then bullseye Porsche. And I will smile eveytime i walk past it on the drive and get in my shed car and go to work....
I think the new 992 looks fantastic. The only problem for me now and I felt the same about the 991, is the size. They really do look quite a big car on the road now. The weight too, over 1500KG with driver. So for me personally, the last 911 which still looked compact was the 997 Carrera S, the early versions of which to my eyes are some of the prettiest 911s ever. Historically the 911 always had a big advantage over full blown supercars in that it was very threadable on country roads. I imagine that advantage may have gone now, although Ferraris and Lambos etc have themselves got wider and wider with each iteration.
I guess we should appreciate this car however, because who knows what drivetrain its replacement will have.
I'm gong to talk about the dash and put this idea out there; it's the best yet in a 911. It somehow manages to look more like an air cooled era dash than anything since.
Okay, there's a big screen and the centre console is much higher - in stature as well as tech - but IMHO the overall feel is somehow pleasingly retro.
Okay, there's a big screen and the centre console is much higher - in stature as well as tech - but IMHO the overall feel is somehow pleasingly retro.
Lovely car, and the prettiest 911 since the 993, IMHO. I'll have mine in Guards Red please. 
Just playing with the configurator, and I noted the disclaimer on the 'Porsche Entry & Drive' option:
"Note: The Comfort Access uses state of the art technology. However, it cannot be completely ruled out that the key´s wireless encryption code is intercepted and used to open or steal the vehicle "
I suppose it's good that some manufacturers are at least acknowledging this issue now, instead of being in denial as many seem to be. One option I'd be perfectly happy to leave unticked on an order (for any car).
Just playing with the configurator, and I noted the disclaimer on the 'Porsche Entry & Drive' option:
"Note: The Comfort Access uses state of the art technology. However, it cannot be completely ruled out that the key´s wireless encryption code is intercepted and used to open or steal the vehicle "
I suppose it's good that some manufacturers are at least acknowledging this issue now, instead of being in denial as many seem to be. One option I'd be perfectly happy to leave unticked on an order (for any car).
Limpet said:
Lovely car, and the prettiest 911 since the 993, IMHO. I'll have mine in Guards Red please.
Just playing with the configurator, and I noted the disclaimer on the 'Porsche Entry & Drive' option:
"Note: The Comfort Access uses state of the art technology. However, it cannot be completely ruled out that the key´s wireless encryption code is intercepted and used to open or steal the vehicle "
I suppose it's good that some manufacturers are at least acknowledging this issue now, instead of being in denial as many seem to be. One option I'd be perfectly happy to leave unticked on an order (for any car).
What they should do is give the option to switch keyless off like Mercedes do.Just playing with the configurator, and I noted the disclaimer on the 'Porsche Entry & Drive' option:
"Note: The Comfort Access uses state of the art technology. However, it cannot be completely ruled out that the key´s wireless encryption code is intercepted and used to open or steal the vehicle "
I suppose it's good that some manufacturers are at least acknowledging this issue now, instead of being in denial as many seem to be. One option I'd be perfectly happy to leave unticked on an order (for any car).
Deep said:
Limpet said:
Lovely car, and the prettiest 911 since the 993, IMHO. I'll have mine in Guards Red please.
Just playing with the configurator, and I noted the disclaimer on the 'Porsche Entry & Drive' option:
"Note: The Comfort Access uses state of the art technology. However, it cannot be completely ruled out that the key´s wireless encryption code is intercepted and used to open or steal the vehicle "
I suppose it's good that some manufacturers are at least acknowledging this issue now, instead of being in denial as many seem to be. One option I'd be perfectly happy to leave unticked on an order (for any car).
What they should do is give the option to switch keyless off like Mercedes do.Just playing with the configurator, and I noted the disclaimer on the 'Porsche Entry & Drive' option:
"Note: The Comfort Access uses state of the art technology. However, it cannot be completely ruled out that the key´s wireless encryption code is intercepted and used to open or steal the vehicle "
I suppose it's good that some manufacturers are at least acknowledging this issue now, instead of being in denial as many seem to be. One option I'd be perfectly happy to leave unticked on an order (for any car).
TX.
The tone is this review sounds apologetic that the new 911 is basically boring on the road for the driver, and repeatedly tries to make excuses for it.
It does nothing for me, i no longer aspire or dream of one day owning a 911 unless it's maybe a 996 GT3 or Singer or something.
Porsche tried to kill the 911 in the past by creating a GT the 928, because they new that even if the customer didn't realise it, that was what they wanted, a bigger faster, more comfy GT. Now they're done it by stealth, kept the name '911' and the customers seem to love it.
This is a GT not a sports car, I disagree with Mr Harris's opinion (frequently). There's nothing wrong with GT's obviously, but a 911 should be a sports car. But then it should also be rear engined obviously, unlike the racing versions these days.
Such a shame that one of the most iconic sports cars ever has come to this. But it's obviously not just suddenly happened with the 992, the 991 was the same, and the 997 to a lesser extent. The 3.4 996 sounds like the last truly inspirational 'base' 991 sports car to me.
It does nothing for me, i no longer aspire or dream of one day owning a 911 unless it's maybe a 996 GT3 or Singer or something.
Porsche tried to kill the 911 in the past by creating a GT the 928, because they new that even if the customer didn't realise it, that was what they wanted, a bigger faster, more comfy GT. Now they're done it by stealth, kept the name '911' and the customers seem to love it.
This is a GT not a sports car, I disagree with Mr Harris's opinion (frequently). There's nothing wrong with GT's obviously, but a 911 should be a sports car. But then it should also be rear engined obviously, unlike the racing versions these days.
Such a shame that one of the most iconic sports cars ever has come to this. But it's obviously not just suddenly happened with the 992, the 991 was the same, and the 997 to a lesser extent. The 3.4 996 sounds like the last truly inspirational 'base' 991 sports car to me.
sege said:
The tone is this review sounds apologetic that the new 911 is basically boring on the road for the driver, and repeatedly tries to make excuses for it.
It does nothing for me, i no longer aspire or dream of one day owning a 911 unless it's maybe a 996 GT3 or Singer or something.
Porsche tried to kill the 911 in the past by creating a GT the 928, because they new that even if the customer didn't realise it, that was what they wanted, a bigger faster, more comfy GT. Now they're done it by stealth, kept the name '911' and the customers seem to love it.
This is a GT not a sports car, I disagree with Mr Harris's opinion (frequently). There's nothing wrong with GT's obviously, but a 911 should be a sports car. But then it should also be rear engined obviously, unlike the racing versions these days.
Such a shame that one of the most iconic sports cars ever has come to this. But it's obviously not just suddenly happened with the 992, the 991 was the same, and the 997 to a lesser extent. The 3.4 996 sounds like the last truly inspirational 'base' 991 sports car to me.
Not trying to "bash" Porsche.. but imho its design is just getting boring and dated (40+ yrs?) - it is starting to feel to me like an "old man's" car....It does nothing for me, i no longer aspire or dream of one day owning a 911 unless it's maybe a 996 GT3 or Singer or something.
Porsche tried to kill the 911 in the past by creating a GT the 928, because they new that even if the customer didn't realise it, that was what they wanted, a bigger faster, more comfy GT. Now they're done it by stealth, kept the name '911' and the customers seem to love it.
This is a GT not a sports car, I disagree with Mr Harris's opinion (frequently). There's nothing wrong with GT's obviously, but a 911 should be a sports car. But then it should also be rear engined obviously, unlike the racing versions these days.
Such a shame that one of the most iconic sports cars ever has come to this. But it's obviously not just suddenly happened with the 992, the 991 was the same, and the 997 to a lesser extent. The 3.4 996 sounds like the last truly inspirational 'base' 991 sports car to me.
I don't even get enthused for their GT models anymore which were always my favorite in the past.
This was my last favorite Porsche - no esc, no traction control, hardcore, manual - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ynhe80WsEM
sege said:
a 911 should be a sports car.
A 911 should be a car that customers want to buy. If tastes have evolved so people want more comfort, luxury, performance space and less compromise in their 911 then who are Porsche to say no to what they want? This 2019, not 1963! Porsche exist as a business to make money and will always listen to their customers feedback then provide for them accordingly. If you personally want something smaller, get a 718, or for something more hardcore, there's the GT range and if not that, other manufacturers will happily oblige. Failing that, buy an older 911 - there is plenty of choice out there.sege said:
Such a shame that one of the most iconic sports cars ever has come to this.
No, it's not a shame, at all. What would be a shame is if Porsche kept the car spartan, small and uncompromising as sales figures would fall through the floor and more than likely the 911 would cease to exist; at that point, people would complain that they're unaffordable as the prices would be in the stratosphere and no-one would drive them for fear of running their value. Oh, wait... 
I really don't think it's correct to expect Porsche to stick to a overall specific formula as everything evolves over time. Kinda like mechanical watches - before the quartz revolution, they were just the de facto standard; after the quartz revolution, they had to justify their existence but to do so they aimed at the higher/luxury end of the market as opposed to the average person, meaning that the requirements in that market were also different than before.
sege said:
The tone is this review sounds apologetic that the new 911 is basically boring on the road for the driver, and repeatedly tries to make excuses for it.
It does nothing for me, i no longer aspire or dream of one day owning a 911 unless it's maybe a 996 GT3 or Singer or something.
Porsche tried to kill the 911 in the past by creating a GT the 928, because they new that even if the customer didn't realise it, that was what they wanted, a bigger faster, more comfy GT. Now they're done it by stealth, kept the name '911' and the customers seem to love it.
This is a GT not a sports car, I disagree with Mr Harris's opinion (frequently). There's nothing wrong with GT's obviously, but a 911 should be a sports car. But then it should also be rear engined obviously, unlike the racing versions these days.
Such a shame that one of the most iconic sports cars ever has come to this. But it's obviously not just suddenly happened with the 992, the 991 was the same, and the 997 to a lesser extent. The 3.4 996 sounds like the last truly inspirational 'base' 991 sports car to me.
I largely agree. Doesn't seem a particularly fun car on road at all which is a shame.It does nothing for me, i no longer aspire or dream of one day owning a 911 unless it's maybe a 996 GT3 or Singer or something.
Porsche tried to kill the 911 in the past by creating a GT the 928, because they new that even if the customer didn't realise it, that was what they wanted, a bigger faster, more comfy GT. Now they're done it by stealth, kept the name '911' and the customers seem to love it.
This is a GT not a sports car, I disagree with Mr Harris's opinion (frequently). There's nothing wrong with GT's obviously, but a 911 should be a sports car. But then it should also be rear engined obviously, unlike the racing versions these days.
Such a shame that one of the most iconic sports cars ever has come to this. But it's obviously not just suddenly happened with the 992, the 991 was the same, and the 997 to a lesser extent. The 3.4 996 sounds like the last truly inspirational 'base' 991 sports car to me.
We can talk about progress blah blah but for most enthusiasts, surely it's not a good thing.
This sounds like the perfect car where you don't have to sacrifice daily practicality for massive performance and it works everywhere, from the track to the school run.
As it turns out, I like cars you have to make sacrifices for and that only work in specific circumstances.
I guess it's a good thing I can't afford this then.
Bet the GT3 RS will have me dreaming again though.........
As it turns out, I like cars you have to make sacrifices for and that only work in specific circumstances.
I guess it's a good thing I can't afford this then.
Bet the GT3 RS will have me dreaming again though.........
outspan said:
This sounds like the perfect car where you don't have to sacrifice daily practicality for massive performance and it works everywhere, from the track to the school run.
As it turns out, I like cars you have to make sacrifices for and that only work in specific circumstances.
I guess it's a good thing I can't afford this then.
Bet the GT3 RS will have me dreaming again though.........
Don't think any sacrifices are needed for this one. Unless you want something fun to drive of course...As it turns out, I like cars you have to make sacrifices for and that only work in specific circumstances.
I guess it's a good thing I can't afford this then.
Bet the GT3 RS will have me dreaming again though.........
sege said:
The tone is this review sounds apologetic that the new 911 is basically boring on the road for the driver, and repeatedly tries to make excuses for it.
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Such a shame that one of the most iconic sports cars ever has come to this. But it's obviously not just suddenly happened with the 992, the 991 was the same, and the 997 to a lesser extent. The 3.4 996 sounds like the last truly inspirational
There was a huge gap between the 997 and the 991, they can’t be compared. ...
Such a shame that one of the most iconic sports cars ever has come to this. But it's obviously not just suddenly happened with the 992, the 991 was the same, and the 997 to a lesser extent. The 3.4 996 sounds like the last truly inspirational
I think the PH review is the one that has resonated most with me based on my experience of various 991.2 variants including the GTS. It’s basically a dull car to drive and does wake up a bit when you push it hard.
I will try out the 992 also and maybe I will be positively surprised but in all likelihood I will continue to struggle to understand where Porsche is going with the 911. It still looks fantastic of course but it’s not refined enough to be a GT and it’s not exciting enough to be a sports car.
For those of us who can't see the difference between the 992 and the 991, which I suspect is most people, this might help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ_2xrf7QSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ_2xrf7QSo
SidewaysSi said:
Don't think any sacrifices are needed for this one. Unless you want something fun to drive of course...
I meant that if you have to make sacrifices to enjoy a car, it tends to enhance the enjoyment - a reward for putting up with the discomforts so to speak. Which in my case means the perfect forest road in my 111R after putting up with numerous reliability issues, total lack of comfort or storage space, bonehard ride and chronical deafness.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff