RE: Manual, rear-drive BMW M3 'Pure' rumoured
Discussion
9k rpm said:
First two paragraphs:
“Less equipment for more money is hardly a new concept”
“One manufacturer yet to embrace the trend is BMW, with M cars”
Who writes this drivel? What was the M3 CSL?
They also say M cars are heavier than they have ever been which is not true either the F80 M4 is lighter than the e92 M3 coupe as an example, they just don't know their subject. “Less equipment for more money is hardly a new concept”
“One manufacturer yet to embrace the trend is BMW, with M cars”
Who writes this drivel? What was the M3 CSL?
DP33 said:
Having driven the F8X M3 and M4s on the road and at Oulton (6spd and DCT), IMO the cars with manual boxes were much better. Certainly no complaints about shift quality and the interaction levels on offer were just much better. What was disappointing was the lack of rev range vrs the old E9X Ms. The newer cars are, of course ultimately quicker, but I do miss that V8.
I have an M4 Comp Pack and on track the combination of DCT box and carbon brakes make for an amazing car to drive, same on a fast twisty b road. I really don't get the purist manual box love affair. My daily driver is an R56 Mini JCW and I love it dearly but if it just had a proper DCT box it would be the best FWD car I've ever owned. And whilst I have my flame suit on, I'd just like to point out that I'm a massive petrol head, love all motorsports, can't do enough track days but do I want a manual, no more than I'd like the clap*Onehp said:
Of course there should be a pure.
Now I would want an estate, xdrive with rear M-diff switchable to rwd, a manual gearbox and a manual handbrake! Estate for family duty, rwd mode for hooning when alone, xdrive for undramatic winter progress during winter with family AND for hooning when alone. Manual box (and clutch) and handbrake necessary for full control. Am I alone? I can only dream...
If it weren't for practicality, I would have kept my finetuned GT86, or would be more interested in the new Z4/Supra, Cayman or if could do with even less luggage space, the A110... Or a tuned MX-5, fun doesn't need to be that expensive...
I just can't understand why you'd want a manual handbrake. I've driven a few automatic ones now and whilst some are better than others, I can't see why you'd want a manual one. Control....control of what? Are you planning on doing handbrake turns or something?Now I would want an estate, xdrive with rear M-diff switchable to rwd, a manual gearbox and a manual handbrake! Estate for family duty, rwd mode for hooning when alone, xdrive for undramatic winter progress during winter with family AND for hooning when alone. Manual box (and clutch) and handbrake necessary for full control. Am I alone? I can only dream...
If it weren't for practicality, I would have kept my finetuned GT86, or would be more interested in the new Z4/Supra, Cayman or if could do with even less luggage space, the A110... Or a tuned MX-5, fun doesn't need to be that expensive...
Edited by Onehp on Wednesday 30th January 22:24
E65Ross said:
I just can't understand why you'd want a manual handbrake. I've driven a few automatic ones now and whilst some are better than others, I can't see why you'd want a manual one. Control....control of what? Are you planning on doing handbrake turns or something?
Basic ingredient for any form of drifting. Which can be 'appropriate' for controlled driving during Scandinavian winters. Onehp said:
Modern times, too hard to pull a lever upon arrival 
Electric handbrakes are fine for normal cars, but on a sporty car rwd car with an LSD? Manual sorely missed for sure if they go...
Modern times.....it's such a shame to make life easier. I mean, do you use a TV remote, or do you walk up the TV to manually change channel because you prefer it old school? Heck, do you prefer cars where you must manually turn it over, or do you prefer a starter motor? Carburettor?Electric handbrakes are fine for normal cars, but on a sporty car rwd car with an LSD? Manual sorely missed for sure if they go...
Edited by Onehp on Thursday 31st January 10:33
I can't see the problem with electric handbrakes. Driving along in traffic, come to a stop, take your foot off the brake and the handbrake gets applied. Put your foot on the throttle and it gets taken off and you move. What's wrong with that?
Onehp said:
Modern times, too hard to pull a lever upon arrival
Electric handbrakes are fine for normal cars, but on a sporty car rwd car with an LSD? Manual sorely missed for sure if they go...
It's the whole stop-start piece. Electronic activation of the handbrake helps bring all the things together. No value in designing an entire model range around an electronic handbrake then giving the M3 a different solution. There is no benefit.Electric handbrakes are fine for normal cars, but on a sporty car rwd car with an LSD? Manual sorely missed for sure if they go...
Edited by Onehp on Thursday 31st January 10:33
I understand that not many M3/M4 drivers actively use the handbrake during driving, ever, but I didn't expect to get s
t here for wanting to have that functionality...
As for start-stop, lots of car had that and still have the lever handbrake...
Edit: just saw a nice F80 LCI manual... maybe I should take the opportunity before M-cars drive themselves...
t here for wanting to have that functionality...As for start-stop, lots of car had that and still have the lever handbrake...
Edit: just saw a nice F80 LCI manual... maybe I should take the opportunity before M-cars drive themselves...
donkmeister said:
Judging by the number of "no manual?! I won't buy it then" posts accompanying every M/AMG/SVR model announcement, if BMW do release this then they'll sell 100 on the first day to PHers, before even counting other buyers.
The car may/may not be a great option, but the amount of PH bandwidth it will save from the 'real men'/'real drivers'/'real enthusiasts' who will no longer be able to bemoan the fact that they can't buy a performance saloon with a manual box will be worth it.....although I suspect the few that do have a cheque book in hand able to purchase such a car (and clearly not on any end of finance...), would find another reason for not doing so
sideways man said:
PaulD86 said:
Ordinarily I'd think this was great news.... OK, to be fair I still think it's a good thing, however, I have yet to drive any BMW with a nice feeling manual gearbox. I'm a big BMW fan but I've found all their manual boxes somewhat unpleasant to use. 
This. Driven lots of BMW over the years, Not one has had a decent gearchange
richthebike said:
Never thought I'd be the one saying this, but... I'm looking forward to 4WD M3s.
BMW nail balance really nicely. However, traction is definitely an issue with 450 bhp. Yeah sure, it's fun to play in MDM mode for a bit, but I have an M3 as a daily.
Before you say get an RS4 or an RS3 or whatever, they just don't feel focussed in the way an M3 does (to me).
I do worry about the move to auto from DCT though.
Having driven the DCT M3 back to back with the ZF Alfa QV. Your fears are unfounded.BMW nail balance really nicely. However, traction is definitely an issue with 450 bhp. Yeah sure, it's fun to play in MDM mode for a bit, but I have an M3 as a daily.
Before you say get an RS4 or an RS3 or whatever, they just don't feel focussed in the way an M3 does (to me).
I do worry about the move to auto from DCT though.
And having driven the new M5 with Auto, and AWD, it is a perfect choice.
Onehp said:
Modern times, too hard to pull a lever upon arrival
Electric handbrakes are fine for normal cars, but on a sporty car rwd car with an LSD? Manual sorely missed for sure if they go...
Why? I have zero desire to ever go back to a manual parking brake again. Electric is superior in every possible way IMO.Electric handbrakes are fine for normal cars, but on a sporty car rwd car with an LSD? Manual sorely missed for sure if they go...
Edited by Onehp on Thursday 31st January 10:33
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