Will this plate pass an MOT?
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av185 said:
cb1965 said:
av185 said:
cb1965 said:
I can't be arsed with this any more, but just to correct you .. I am not pro or anti-'chavplating' as you call it.
It doesn't figure on my radar whatsoever, I don't give it a moment's thought. It may be technically illegal as you say, but unless the plate is actually obscured it's of no other consequence. Far more important things in life to get worked up over in my book.
An analogy to your obsession here would be for you to harangue and belittle everyone who breaks the speed limit by a few mph because one or two do it to excess and are genuinely causing a problem. Then again as I suspect you break that little law yourself (as we all do) it probably doesn't figure on your radar as obviously it's OK when you do it.
At the end of the day you are just picking on something that is a pet hate of yours (for whatever reason I can't speculate) and using the 'it's illegal' argument to try and take the moral high ground. All a bit sad and pathetic really especially as you purport to have such a perfect life... although I am guessing that may just be on the Internet!
Another pro Chavplater claims he can't be arsed with the subject despite numerous posts yet again condones illegal Chavplating and criminal activity then resorts to old chestnut analogy about speeding shocker.It doesn't figure on my radar whatsoever, I don't give it a moment's thought. It may be technically illegal as you say, but unless the plate is actually obscured it's of no other consequence. Far more important things in life to get worked up over in my book.
An analogy to your obsession here would be for you to harangue and belittle everyone who breaks the speed limit by a few mph because one or two do it to excess and are genuinely causing a problem. Then again as I suspect you break that little law yourself (as we all do) it probably doesn't figure on your radar as obviously it's OK when you do it.
At the end of the day you are just picking on something that is a pet hate of yours (for whatever reason I can't speculate) and using the 'it's illegal' argument to try and take the moral high ground. All a bit sad and pathetic really especially as you purport to have such a perfect life... although I am guessing that may just be on the Internet!
How very predictable.
But then as we all know in contrast there are those who do excessive speeds and are a threat to life and other road users. But there is a major difference between these two 'offenders' and not just in terms of speed.
Intent.
Take for example this infamous moron jailed just the other day:
It may be an extreme case in terms of speed but the point is it was his sole intention to break the speed limit and drive dangerously sticking two figures up at the law with his feet on the dashboard to boot.
In fact so strong was his intention that he actually videos himself committing said offences.
How does this relate to Chavplating?
Well it is also clearly EACH AND EVERY Chavplaters sole intention to break the law and commit a criminal offence by butchering their numberplates for vanity reasons then often displaying their vacuous and illegal 'lifestyle achievement'
saddo trinket for all and sundry to be impressed about 
on 'soshul meeja innit'. And the intention for the Chavplater to deceive, commit fraud and misrepresent often commences when they decide to purchase a suitable plate for immediate butchering by way of illegal spacing, altering numbers or letters, screwcaps etc etc the end result often being a plate which resembles the original not one bit.That is why there is strict legislation regarding number plate regs. And anyone breaking these regs should be prosecuted. As the infamous cretin Chavplater 'BIG BAL' previously referred to found out to his significant cost when he was pulled by Trafpol and fined heavily.
Unsurprisingly you were quite dismissive of my previous serious question some time back about how you would feel if a close friend or relative was seriously injured or worse by being mown down perhaps by a moron similar to the one mentioned above who also had an illegal and illegible chavplate which had been butchered the consequence of which his vehicle could not be traced and his identity was unknown?
I can guarantee you would not be as dismissive as you currently appear to be about Chavplaters breaking the law and being on your radar, as you put it, in these circumstances.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 28th January 20:13
Most people speed, they do a few mph over the limit when they deem it safe to do so. A small minority of people however speed to excess and clearly put other people in danger.
They are all breaking the law, but only the latter are a major issue to 'society'.
Now let's look at numberplates. Many people mis-space plates, but so what, they can still be read by ANPR regardless of what you read to the contrary. A small minority of people take it too far and obscure characters in the plate and these are clearly not acceptable.
Again all are breaking the law but only the latter is truly a problem.
If you really want to get down to semantics I would say those of us who speed a few mph over the limit (myself included) are axctually more of a danger than someone having their plate render as SO10MON rather than SO10 MON.
As for it being each and every chavplater's intention to break the law sorry but that is a load of utter nonsense that is so vacuous in its construct as to be genuinely one of the stupidest things I have read on PH and that's saying something given some of the posters here. Some people are criminals and they break the law in all sorts of ways, one of them being having obscured plates, but many other people have a mis-spaced plate as they think it looks good and nothing more .... having a mis-spaced plate does not make anyone a criminal in the true sense of the term and it's laughable to think otherwise.
cb1965 said:
You have spectacularly missed the comparison I was making.
Most people speed, they do a few mph over the limit when they deem it safe to do so. A small minority of people however speed to excess and clearly put other people in danger.
They are all breaking the law, but only the latter are a major issue to 'society'.
Now let's look at numberplates. Many people mis-space plates, but so what, they can still be read by ANPR regardless of what you read to the contrary. A small minority of people take it too far and obscure characters in the plate and these are clearly not acceptable.
Again all are breaking the law but only the latter is truly a problem.
If you really want to get down to semantics I would say those of us who speed a few mph over the limit (myself included) are axctually more of a danger than someone having their plate render as SO10MON rather than SO10 MON.
As for it being each and every chavplater's intention to break the law sorry but that is a load of utter nonsense that is so vacuous in its construct as to be genuinely one of the stupidest things I have read on PH and that's saying something given some of the posters here. Some people are criminals and they break the law in all sorts of ways, one of them being having obscured plates, but many other people have a mis-spaced plate as they think it looks good and nothing more .... having a mis-spaced plate does not make anyone a criminal in the true sense of the term and it's laughable to think otherwise.
Some of your points are highly questionable.Most people speed, they do a few mph over the limit when they deem it safe to do so. A small minority of people however speed to excess and clearly put other people in danger.
They are all breaking the law, but only the latter are a major issue to 'society'.
Now let's look at numberplates. Many people mis-space plates, but so what, they can still be read by ANPR regardless of what you read to the contrary. A small minority of people take it too far and obscure characters in the plate and these are clearly not acceptable.
Again all are breaking the law but only the latter is truly a problem.
If you really want to get down to semantics I would say those of us who speed a few mph over the limit (myself included) are axctually more of a danger than someone having their plate render as SO10MON rather than SO10 MON.
As for it being each and every chavplater's intention to break the law sorry but that is a load of utter nonsense that is so vacuous in its construct as to be genuinely one of the stupidest things I have read on PH and that's saying something given some of the posters here. Some people are criminals and they break the law in all sorts of ways, one of them being having obscured plates, but many other people have a mis-spaced plate as they think it looks good and nothing more .... having a mis-spaced plate does not make anyone a criminal in the true sense of the term and it's laughable to think otherwise.
Especially the one about APNR automatically being able to read mispaced plates. Add to that the rapidly increasing number of Chavplaters butchered plates and it's not hard to see why this compounds the problem of identification of vehicles. Which after all, is what the number plate is for. And why there are number plate regulations.
Also you wrongly claim it is not each and every Chavplaters intention to break the law displaying their Chavplate. Wrong. Even a mispaced Chav plate breaks the law never mind butchered plates a good number of which are totally illegible. And did the legal plate simply morph itself overnight into the Chav plate?
No, it was a calculated decision of a criminal nature by the Chavplater to reconstruct the numberplate however they wanted simply to tie in with their vanity, narcissism or insecurities.Ask youself why else would most Chavplaters travel round with a set of 'legal' plates in the boot if they thought for 1 minute their Chavplates were legal?
Was that not the case with the OP.....
It is some time ago lol.
Also, for the second time, you still haven't answered the points raised in my final two paragraphs. Is there a reason for that?
Edited by av185 on Monday 28th January 23:36
Ah, the morbid fascination of the Will This Plate thread.
Might it be more productive to argue the points one at a time rather than collectively?
Grouping together all those who alter number plates as equally delinquent damages your argument.
Years ago a chap I knew was issued a registration ending OLE. He had the rear plate made up to read OLÉ. He did not represent the end of civilisation.
Might it be more productive to argue the points one at a time rather than collectively?
av185 said:
Well it is also clearly EACH AND EVERY Chavplaters sole intention to break the law and commit a criminal offence by butchering their numberplates for vanity reasons then often displaying their vacuous and illegal 'lifestyle achievement' saddo trinket for all and sundry to be impressed about on 'soshul meeja innit'. And the intention for the Chavplater to deceive, commit fraud and misrepresent often commences when they decide to purchase a suitable plate for immediate butchering by way of illegal spacing, altering numbers or letters, screwcaps etc etc the end result often being a plate which resembles the original not one bit.
No. Breaking the law is not the plate owner's sole intention. It's not even their primary intention. At most the law breaking aspect of what they are doing is a minor irritation. saddo trinket for all and sundry to be impressed about on 'soshul meeja innit'. And the intention for the Chavplater to deceive, commit fraud and misrepresent often commences when they decide to purchase a suitable plate for immediate butchering by way of illegal spacing, altering numbers or letters, screwcaps etc etc the end result often being a plate which resembles the original not one bit.Grouping together all those who alter number plates as equally delinquent damages your argument.
Years ago a chap I knew was issued a registration ending OLE. He had the rear plate made up to read OLÉ. He did not represent the end of civilisation.
av185 said:
Some of your points are highly questionable.
No they're not.av185 said:
Especially the one about APNR automatically being able to read mispaced plates. Add to that the rapidly increasing number of Chavplaters butchered plates and it's not hard to see why this compounds the problem of identification of vehicles. Which after all, is what the number plate is for. And why there are number plate regulations.
Sorry, but you're wrong. I work in various technology fields and can tell you that ANPR (not APNR) can definitely read mis-spaced plates, fact. In many other countries with far more relaxed laws on numberplate size, spacing and fonts they can also still read the plates. The reason our plate regulations are so over the top is simply the usual grand's worth of sledgehammer to crack a fiver's worth of nut approach that the authorities like to use in the UK. Same as our phone while driving laws - parked up with the engine running and touch your phone ... it's the same offence as using Facebook on your mobile whilst doing 70mph on the motorway when clearly the two are at vastly different ends of the danger spectrum.av185 said:
Also you wrongly claim it is not each and every Chavplaters intention to break the law displaying their Chavplate. Wrong. Even a mispaced Chav plate breaks the law never mind butchered plates a good number of which are totally illegible. And did the legal plate simply morph itself overnight into the Chav plate? No, it was a calculated decision of a criminal nature by the Chavplater to reconstruct the numberplate however they wanted simply to tie in with their vanity, narcissism or insecurities.
Yes, but I'm talking about the gravitas that you seem to apply to their decision, like it's akin to planning a diamond heist ... it's a mis-spaced plate for goodness sake. I make a calculated decision to break the law every time I drive by driving my car faster than the speed limit. As I suspect do you. Those who remove the space from a plate are no worse than those of us who choose to break the speed limit. As stated if you obscure the plate then that is a whole different ball game as is excessive speed in inappropriate places. Nuances, grey not black and white etc. etc. No, it was a calculated decision of a criminal nature by the Chavplater to reconstruct the numberplate however they wanted simply to tie in with their vanity, narcissism or insecurities.av185 said:
Also, for the second time, you still haven't answered the points raised in my final two paragraphs. Is there a reason for that?
Yes, it's melodramatic b
ks. Are you saying that my concern after a loved one has been knocked down should be heightened because the car had an obscured plate. What if it had a legal plate, but no one who witnessed the incident could remember the plate, should I start hating on them too? Anyway the majority of these plates are still perfectly legible as discussed. Even some of the obscured ones make them more memorable to people so your argument is full of holes as usual.I see you have conveniently dodged round my speeding comparison... I think we all know why.
Finally I love the hypocrisy of you mentioning other people's insecurities when your arguments surrounding this whole plate thing reveal plenty of your own.
DickyC said:
No. Breaking the law is not the plate owner's sole intention. It's not even their primary intention. At most the law breaking aspect of what they are doing is a minor irritation.
Grouping together all those who alter number plates as equally delinquent damages your argument.
Years ago a chap I knew was issued a registration ending OLE. He had the rear plate made up to read OLÉ. He did not represent the end of civilisation.
I think chavposter D16KY C above makes a valid point. Grouping together all those who alter number plates as equally delinquent damages your argument.
Years ago a chap I knew was issued a registration ending OLE. He had the rear plate made up to read OLÉ. He did not represent the end of civilisation.
I wonder if A55 OLE is up for grabs?I'll agree with the first reply, and say that the plate shouldn't pass an MoT test - though that seems ages ago, now
My own take on such plates is that they should 'make sense' without any doctoring whatsoever. Who they make sense to - and for what reason - is of little importance. It's a bit like telling a joke - if you have to explain it then the whole thing is a bit pointless.
The OP would probably be just as satisfied with his number if was correctly spaced; squashing it up seems a little bit 'desperate'.
One very 'ordinary' plate which (I think) adorned the Porsche 928S 'press car' was THE 928S - eminently satisfactory!
My own take on such plates is that they should 'make sense' without any doctoring whatsoever. Who they make sense to - and for what reason - is of little importance. It's a bit like telling a joke - if you have to explain it then the whole thing is a bit pointless.
The OP would probably be just as satisfied with his number if was correctly spaced; squashing it up seems a little bit 'desperate'.
One very 'ordinary' plate which (I think) adorned the Porsche 928S 'press car' was THE 928S - eminently satisfactory!
look what we've done now...
Julian Thompson said:
Indeed. So is doing 31mph. Law is absolute in these matters...
Yes, we all break the speed limit occasionally, if not intentionally. I did it yesterday to overtake a gaggle of cyclists safely. It is not my default position.Chav-plating is a premeditated and permanent choice. That, I would argue, is the difference.
DickyC said:
No. Breaking the law is not the plate owner's sole intention. It's not even their primary intention. At most the law breaking aspect of what they are doing is a minor irritation.
Grouping together all those who alter number plates as equally delinquent damages your argument.
Years ago a chap I knew was issued a registration ending OLE. He had the rear plate made up to read OLÉ. He did not represent the end of civilisation.
Nobody is claiming your friend butchering his plate or Chavplating in general represents the end of civilisation. Grouping together all those who alter number plates as equally delinquent damages your argument.
Years ago a chap I knew was issued a registration ending OLE. He had the rear plate made up to read OLÉ. He did not represent the end of civilisation.
You claim the law breaking aspect of Chavplating isnt the main intention and at most a minor irritation.
Would you have the same relaxed attitude to a criminal who broke into your house to rob you of all your money and wordly possessions? What was the intention of the criminal other than to illegally break in and rob you?
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