RE: First A90 Supra fetches ?1.6m at auction
Discussion
James Junior said:
I am no fanboy, but as a current owner of a MK4 Supra TT6 and an MK2 MR2 Turbo it's fair to say I have quite a bit of goodwill towards Toyota.
During the (tortuously long) development cycle of the new Supra I remained upbeat about the BMW/ Toyota joint venture, despite it coming in for heavy criticism from purists and internet know-it-alls.
I can't help but feel utterly deflated with the final product however. Subjective I know, but the proportions look all squashed and unnatural to my eye, with tacky embellishments stuck on in various places inside and out. I think it's a bit embarrassing for Toyota actually, that after all their hype this is the final product. What a mess.
The unapologetic BMW iDrive screen plonked on the dash feels like one last own goal by Toyota and ironic given the need to put as much clear blue water as possible between the finished product and it's BMW roots to appease the naysayers. The fact that they will also be releasing a watered down 2.0 version feels like the final twist of the knife as they sell the Supra legacy down the river.
As a JDM fan I despair at the current state of the Japanese performance car sector. I know this part of the market isn't exactly known for it's conservatism, but almost everything seems designed to appeal to spotty teenagers or chavs. The gawky GT86, vulgar RCF, cartoonish Civic Type R and now this tacky Supra. The GTR is what it is and the NSX looks awesome, but both are out of the reach of most ordinary punters.
The new Supra was an opportunity for Toyota to give us a grown up sports car that could compete with the F Type/ M2/ Cayman/ Alpine. Whilst clearly it is a very capable car, on looks and image I cannot imagine it tempting many buyers away from the established options.
I quite like the GT86, but I agree with you on this car. I don't know how designers thought this look good.During the (tortuously long) development cycle of the new Supra I remained upbeat about the BMW/ Toyota joint venture, despite it coming in for heavy criticism from purists and internet know-it-alls.
I can't help but feel utterly deflated with the final product however. Subjective I know, but the proportions look all squashed and unnatural to my eye, with tacky embellishments stuck on in various places inside and out. I think it's a bit embarrassing for Toyota actually, that after all their hype this is the final product. What a mess.
The unapologetic BMW iDrive screen plonked on the dash feels like one last own goal by Toyota and ironic given the need to put as much clear blue water as possible between the finished product and it's BMW roots to appease the naysayers. The fact that they will also be releasing a watered down 2.0 version feels like the final twist of the knife as they sell the Supra legacy down the river.
As a JDM fan I despair at the current state of the Japanese performance car sector. I know this part of the market isn't exactly known for it's conservatism, but almost everything seems designed to appeal to spotty teenagers or chavs. The gawky GT86, vulgar RCF, cartoonish Civic Type R and now this tacky Supra. The GTR is what it is and the NSX looks awesome, but both are out of the reach of most ordinary punters.
The new Supra was an opportunity for Toyota to give us a grown up sports car that could compete with the F Type/ M2/ Cayman/ Alpine. Whilst clearly it is a very capable car, on looks and image I cannot imagine it tempting many buyers away from the established options.
Edited by James Junior on Monday 21st January 16:33
Edited by James Junior on Monday 21st January 16:34
Pommy said:
It's not that I find the styling annoying because it's not like the concept, or is a too large of a departure from the original, it's that it literally does nothing for me.
It stirs no emotion, carries no 'want', isn't soul stirring.
Meh.
Agreed it's a giant meh from me too. I'd so much rather have a mid 90's A80(?) SupraIt stirs no emotion, carries no 'want', isn't soul stirring.
Meh.
Amazed how close in dimensions it is to the GT86, I think the styling would have worked better of it was wider and longer. It just looks a bit crammed in somehow. Dare I say it should have been a bit more chestwiggy perhaps? Annoying as it could have looked great and I do like some of the styling cues. Ditto the platform sharing BMW Z4.
James Junior said:
.....but almost everything seems designed to appeal to spotty teenagers or chavs. The gawky GT86, vulgar RCF, cartoonish Civic Type R and now this tacky Supra..........
James Junior said:
.. I just don't want to drive something that looks like it was styled by a teenager playing Need for Speed Underground.
Yep, agree. Mind you, a fair number of the design team probably did grow up playing Need for Speed Underground. Also, I suspect, a large number of the target demographic... It looks like its already been through a rather tacky aftermarket 'design' studio. I remember some Supra re-bodies from way back that were just horrors. Looks like Toyota have just gone done those studios out of a job..
Like the colour mind you.... My Ultima would look good repainted in that methinks..
I'm thinking the lines for the clamshell hood and double-bubble roof are causing the biggest visual 'breaks' in the flow of the design; along with the blacked out A pillar. I really dislike the tablet screen in the interior; without it there, the inside would look alot better resolved imo. Still need to see in real life to pass final judgment on if I would purchase or not; but as it looks now, not a deal breaker....
Toyota walkaround of exterior, under hood, and interior - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XEjKdmWFLo
Toyota walkaround of exterior, under hood, and interior - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XEjKdmWFLo
I’ve not been paying attention to the new supra release, I like the look of it but kept thinking it looked like a BMW Z4 after seeing a precious post I did a quick google and yep it’s just different bodywork (I’m sure most of you already knew that).
So what does the extra £17k for the supra get you as the engines appear the same?
So what does the extra £17k for the supra get you as the engines appear the same?
ecsrobin said:
I’ve not been paying attention to the new supra release, I like the look of it but kept thinking it looked like a BMW Z4 after seeing a precious post I did a quick google and yep it’s just different bodywork (I’m sure most of you already knew that).
So what does the extra £17k for the supra get you as the engines appear the same?
It's irrelevant because you'll lose the 17k in depreciation in the first 12 months. So what does the extra £17k for the supra get you as the engines appear the same?
ecsrobin said:
Oz83 said:
It's irrelevant because you'll lose the 17k in depreciation in the first 12 months.
And how much will a Z4 loose in 12 months? 
But the answer to your question is that it depends on how much discount you get in the first place.
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