RE: Seen, but not touched: Aston Martin Valkyrie
Discussion
JD said:
Am I the only one who thinks it a bit odd you can go for a specification session of the most expensive car Aston have ever made, before they have even built a running prototype?
I guess it's just part of building the relationship with the customer. I suspect many Valkyrie buyers won't have had an Aston before. Maybe a few of them will go spec their Valkyrie and walk away with a cheeky Superleggera to do the shopping in in the mean time 
This thread is PH at it’s worse
First when the Valkyrie was launched we had all the know-it-all’s claiming that they couldn’t do the engine. Now they have
Now we have some miserable green-eyes sods saying they will all end up in collections. Well I know some of the owners, they will be used
And then people criticising the design as though it were a Honda Civic. This is an Adrian Newey (for me one of the top 2 designers ever) designed race car for the road.
PH should be applauding that this is being made. It’s the Concorde of the car world (and will probably lose AML as much money!). I’m absolutely in awe and can’t wait to see and hear one being driven around the track (Gulf colours for me please).
First when the Valkyrie was launched we had all the know-it-all’s claiming that they couldn’t do the engine. Now they have
Now we have some miserable green-eyes sods saying they will all end up in collections. Well I know some of the owners, they will be used
And then people criticising the design as though it were a Honda Civic. This is an Adrian Newey (for me one of the top 2 designers ever) designed race car for the road.
PH should be applauding that this is being made. It’s the Concorde of the car world (and will probably lose AML as much money!). I’m absolutely in awe and can’t wait to see and hear one being driven around the track (Gulf colours for me please).
Edited by RobDown on Thursday 24th January 18:04
RobDown said:
This thread is PH at it’s worse
First when the Valkyrie was launched we had all the know-it-all’s claiming that they could do the engine. Now they have
Now we have some miserable green-eyes sods saying they will all end up in collections. Well I know some of the owners, they will be used
And then people criticising the design as though it were a Honda Civic. This is an Adrian Newey (for me one of the top 2 designers ever) designed race car for the road.
PH should be applauding that this is being made. It’s the Concorde of the car world (and will probably lose AML as much money!). I’m absolutely in awe and can’t wait to see and hear one being driven around the track (Gulf colours for me please).
Couldn't agree more First when the Valkyrie was launched we had all the know-it-all’s claiming that they could do the engine. Now they have
Now we have some miserable green-eyes sods saying they will all end up in collections. Well I know some of the owners, they will be used
And then people criticising the design as though it were a Honda Civic. This is an Adrian Newey (for me one of the top 2 designers ever) designed race car for the road.
PH should be applauding that this is being made. It’s the Concorde of the car world (and will probably lose AML as much money!). I’m absolutely in awe and can’t wait to see and hear one being driven around the track (Gulf colours for me please).
Macboy said:
I wonder if you've actually seen it in reality? It may seat two people but they are two people of jockey/racing driver proportions especially with the size of the doors and sills. It's LMP tight and seems to be far from the (even somewhat limited) practicality of other supercars/hypercars from the perspective of having a driver and passenger in.
It's not luxurious but it's not as tight as people think, I know one person whose sat in it, he's 6'3 I think and not a slender chap and even he fits with no issues. Definitely not as comfortable as Vanquish though 
DanielSan said:
It's not luxurious but it's not as tight as people think, I know one person whose sat in it, he's 6'3 I think and not a slender chap and even he fits with no issues.
How is that possible though?Article said:
The first Valkyrie validation prototype hasn't even been built yet
JD said:
How is that possible though?
NFC 85 Vette said:
Presumably this one's close enoughRobDown said:
This thread is PH at it’s worse
First when the Valkyrie was launched we had all the know-it-all’s claiming that they couldn’t do the engine. Now they have
Now we have some miserable green-eyes sods saying they will all end up in collections. Well I know some of the owners, they will be used
And then people criticising the design as though it were a Honda Civic. This is an Adrian Newey (for me one of the top 2 designers ever) designed race car for the road.
PH should be applauding that this is being made. It’s the Concorde of the car world (and will probably lose AML as much money!). I’m absolutely in awe and can’t wait to see and hear one being driven around the track (Gulf colours for me please).
100% agree. How anyone could express any negativity toward something so obviously incredible is beyond me. Unless you were the sort of kids in the 80s who had a Vauxhall Belmont Athena poster rather than the Countach. But those kids didn't exist. First when the Valkyrie was launched we had all the know-it-all’s claiming that they couldn’t do the engine. Now they have
Now we have some miserable green-eyes sods saying they will all end up in collections. Well I know some of the owners, they will be used
And then people criticising the design as though it were a Honda Civic. This is an Adrian Newey (for me one of the top 2 designers ever) designed race car for the road.
PH should be applauding that this is being made. It’s the Concorde of the car world (and will probably lose AML as much money!). I’m absolutely in awe and can’t wait to see and hear one being driven around the track (Gulf colours for me please).
Edited by RobDown on Thursday 24th January 18:04
It's a ****king Adrian Newbury multi million pound hypercar faster than anything else road based ever ever. FFS what's not to like!
Yes everyone should be allowed their own opinions of course, but are these really opinions, or just reflex action to express the contrary position of anything positive online, "just because".....
Olivera said:
cidered77 said:
I'm a bit of a closet laptime geek - and I am still waiting for a hypercar, even a track based one, to be convincingly quicker than my 25k's worth of club racing car, with a crate engine duratec in the back. P1, LaFerrari, Senna, 918 - I'd still beat them around Brands, Silverstone, etc.
Your racing car is undoubtedly very quick and capable around most circuits, but move it to a much higher speed track like the Nordschleife and it would be a different outcome. Your MCR would get utterly spanked by a Radical SR8, yet the SR8 is now slower than a GT2 RS or a an Aventador SVJ.The 'ring is a longer track, not necessarily a higher speed track than the usual UK stuff. Silverstone GP has a higher average speed. You can confirm this looking at average speed of the 919 Evo at Spa and Ring for records - Spa is higher. Then check F1 average speed for Spa. vs Silverstone. Differences in pure speed tend to carry over between most circuits, despite how different they look. Maybe something like Daytona with it's half oval would be different, but not a given...
SR8s get raced in OSS sometimes, on slicks, etc - never seem to go as well as lower powered prototypes. Whenever i've seen them race, they strike me has having way too much power vs. the grip available, so don't inspire confidence. Today's 'ring records are all common in that the driver has total confidence in the car - plus 10 more year's of testing at the ring, advances in tyre tech, etc. That SR8 time underplayed the potential of that car, is my point. A race spec SR3 or PR6 Radical would monster than Lambo time - MCR... who knows, but wouldn't be far off.
But - i'm not making these points to prove racing cars are quicker than roadcars, but to illustrate how incredible the claims for the Valkyrie are.
Taking a longer, faster track like Spa then.
- Benchmark "cheap racing car" time is 2:32. Fair enough, matched by a Koenigsegg One:1
- P1/918 is 2:38
- Civic Type R KF2 is 2:56
- LMP 1 is 1:53!!
The gap between the Valkyrie and today's hypercar is claimed to be bigger than the gap between today's hypercar and a hot hatch. Incredible if achieved.
cidered77 said:
SR8s get raced in OSS sometimes, on slicks, etc - never seem to go as well as lower powered prototypes. Whenever i've seen them race, they strike me has having way too much power vs. the grip available, so don't inspire confidence. Today's 'ring records are all common in that the driver has total confidence in the car - plus 10 more year's of testing at the ring, advances in tyre tech, etc. That SR8 time underplayed the potential of that car, is my point. A race spec SR3 or PR6 Radical would monster than Lambo time - MCR... who knows, but wouldn't be far off.
An SR3 with half the power of the SR8 would monster the Lambo time? Really?I'm quite open to the idea that sports prototypes could go very fast at the ring, but we've had decades of manufacturer, test and track days (not tourist days) at the ring where you could run a sports prototype full lap, and I've yet to see a time that, SR8 lap apart, is even remotely impressive.
Olivera said:
cidered77 said:
SR8s get raced in OSS sometimes, on slicks, etc - never seem to go as well as lower powered prototypes. Whenever i've seen them race, they strike me has having way too much power vs. the grip available, so don't inspire confidence. Today's 'ring records are all common in that the driver has total confidence in the car - plus 10 more year's of testing at the ring, advances in tyre tech, etc. That SR8 time underplayed the potential of that car, is my point. A race spec SR3 or PR6 Radical would monster than Lambo time - MCR... who knows, but wouldn't be far off.
An SR3 with half the power of the SR8 would monster the Lambo time? Really?I'm quite open to the idea that sports prototypes could go very fast at the ring, but we've had decades of manufacturer, test and track days (not tourist days) at the ring where you could run a sports prototype full lap, and I've yet to see a time that, SR8 lap apart, is even remotely impressive.
Race spec SR3 on slicks - already hugely fast car quicker than anything road based. Ring is no different to any other track. It has corners; it has straights. It's just longer, and bumpy. So's Castle Combe.
This assumes the conditions you have at any circuit - time to test, setup; several laps to practice, etc. Those conditions aren't there, is why you don't see more prototype lap times.
with a level playing field and Team Radical and Team Lambo each with their own day - SR3 all day long. And look at OSS laptimes between SR3s and SR8s ... i will dig them out later to prove it's not all about power. It's balance, as well.
RobDown said:
This thread is PH at it’s worse
First when the Valkyrie was launched we had all the know-it-all’s claiming that they couldn’t do the engine. Now they have
Now we have some miserable green-eyes sods saying they will all end up in collections. Well I know some of the owners, they will be used
And then people criticising the design as though it were a Honda Civic. This is an Adrian Newey (for me one of the top 2 designers ever) designed race car for the road.
PH should be applauding that this is being made. It’s the Concorde of the car world (and will probably lose AML as much money!). I’m absolutely in awe and can’t wait to see and hear one being driven around the track (Gulf colours for me please).
I couldn't agree with you more. To me this the re run of when Gordon Murrays McLaren F1 was launched and re wrote the history books. For me Gordon Murray is the greatest designer and Adrian Newey is a close second. I would love to see what Gordon Murray could design with the modern engineering and materials of today. First when the Valkyrie was launched we had all the know-it-all’s claiming that they couldn’t do the engine. Now they have
Now we have some miserable green-eyes sods saying they will all end up in collections. Well I know some of the owners, they will be used
And then people criticising the design as though it were a Honda Civic. This is an Adrian Newey (for me one of the top 2 designers ever) designed race car for the road.
PH should be applauding that this is being made. It’s the Concorde of the car world (and will probably lose AML as much money!). I’m absolutely in awe and can’t wait to see and hear one being driven around the track (Gulf colours for me please).
Edited by RobDown on Thursday 24th January 18:04
Olivera said:
Just checked, the SR8 6:48 lap was actually an SR8LM with 455bhp and pro driver (Michael Vergers).
I've no idea how you can say with such confidence that an SR3 with 225bhp could beat that.
it's hardly said with "such confidence" for such an abstract conversation as i dont really know for certain... but it's Friday afternoon, so happy to explore further!I've no idea how you can say with such confidence that an SR3 with 225bhp could beat that.
- That SR8 laptime may have had a pro-driver, but I seriously doubt he was able to extract the car's full potential. if he had - 700kg prototype with downforce and all that power? Should be much faster. I suspect he pulled off a minor miracle in getting the thing around and not crashing. FWIW - the SR8 on iRacing (sim racing, but still create very accurate models) - it's very very difficult to drive quickly.
- A lighter, better balanced SR3, same spec as per the UK Radical series, on slicks - yes, believe based on all comparative data from other circuits would be quicker than the Lambo time. again - it's just a circuit, a long circuit, but still just a circuit. It's average speed is slightly lower than Spa.
https://www.tsl-timing.com/event/184130/session/rc...
first race i found from OSS last year. a PR6 with "only" 220bhp beats an SR8 with 400+. in the top trumps world that shouldn't happen, right? But it does. Less weight, better balance, less power - and faster.
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