RE: Ford Focus RS50 EVO on sale from £85k

[blade7]

s m said:

Most RS were based on tuned up shopping/family cars however - Escorts, Fiestas, Sierras, Focus

Obviously, but bolting some widely available bits into a few production line cars, and then calling them limited edition to more than double the price is comical.

[blade7]

Ahbefive said:

What brand new car for a theoretical £85k would you prefer?

Nissan GT-R.

[s m]

blade7 said:

s m said:

Most RS were based on tuned up shopping/family cars however - Escorts, Fiestas, Sierras, Focus

Obviously, but bolting some widely available bits into a few production line cars, and then calling them limited edition to more than double the price is comical.

Works nicely for Porsche, Ferrari, etc

Let’s hope Mountune have checked the paint carefully

The high price is down to the official approval by Ford

Just like you can build a CSL rep for half the price of the top price CSL at 90k, your M3 bitsa will never have the value of a real one

Edited by s m on Sunday 27th January 13:50

[blade7]

s m said:

Works nicely for Porsche, Ferrari, etc

Let’s hope Mountune have checked the paint carefully

Are you comparing a Porsche RS or Ferrari to a Focus?

Edited by blade7 on Sunday 27th January 13:55

[aaron_2000]

blade7 said:

s m said:

Works nicely for Porsche, Ferrari, etc

Let’s hope Mountune have checked the paint carefully

Are you comparing a Porsche RS or Ferrari to a Focus?

Edited by blade7 on Sunday 27th January 13:55

All 3 are bought by collectors, all 3 will go up in value, all 3 are assets to the investors that buy them. It's odd that people are seeing this Focus as a car. It's an investment piece.

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aaron_2000 said:

All 3 are bought by collectors, all 3 will go up in value, all 3 are assets to the investors that buy them. It's odd that people are seeing this Focus as a car. It's an investment piece.

It might have been, had it some genuine manufacturer development and unique product, rather than a stickered up dealer special.

This is just bubble nonsense and your £85k Focus will become about as credit worthy as Lehman's when it bursts.

A Ferrari or Porsche RS is actually a very accomplished, nice thing in the first place. The Focus is, well, a Focus.

[s m]

blade7 said:

Are you comparing a Porsche RS or Ferrari to a Focus?

Edited by blade7 on Sunday 27th January 13:55

Why not - they’re all cars at the end of the day?
Unless you buy into the “imagine” of the prancing horse badge

[irocfan]

Mafffew said:

£85k

Oh wait, they're being serious?

very much this ^^^

[scottos]

Fordists are mental, these will be snapped up as bargains by them in no time

[DanielSan]

These aren't even a charity auction price? Just Ford charging the earth for a Mountune Focus?

[redrook]

Lol £85K?

Great if you want a car that nobody would look twice at other than to balk at the chavmobile, and cost the same as a small flat.

[redrook]

s m said:

Why not - they’re all cars at the end of the day?
Unless you buy into the “imagine” of the prancing horse badge

Lol, yes, Fords and Ferraris are totally comparable. Oh and the second sentence makes no sense btw.

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redrook said:

Lol, yes, Fords and Ferraris are totally comparable. Oh and the second sentence makes no sense btw.

Bit of context for the imagine...

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[gigglebug]

redrook said:

s m said:

Why not - they’re all cars at the end of the day?
Unless you buy into the “imagine” of the prancing horse badge

Lol, yes, Fords and Ferraris are totally comparable. Oh and the second sentence makes no sense btw.

Cristiano Ronaldo and Nicklas Bendtner are both professional footballers. They too are far from being the same thing though.

[s m]

redrook said:

s m said:

Why not - they’re all cars at the end of the day?
Unless you buy into the “imagine” of the prancing horse badge

Lol, yes, Fords and Ferraris are totally comparable. Oh and the second sentence makes no sense btw.

Fords and Ferraris are often compared but to make it simpler for you and back on the subject of the Focus I meant within their respective class as Ferrari don’t make anything new at the Focus buy-in price

Case in point, a normal RS Focus is approx £40k all in - this Ford sanctioned limited edition is supposedly inviting bids approx double that. You get a few fancy bits and an extra 50bhp plus the ‘cachet’ of a very limited edition run which may appeal if you’re a hardcore Ford collector
Now, Ferrari’s 488 Spider was priced at approx £200,000 - they launch a 10-off special edition J50 for the Japanese market - 20” wheels and some bodywork changes .....plus 20 extra bhp and the ‘cachet’ of owning a very limited edition run which may appeal if you’re a hardcore Ferrari collector ......and it’s over a million pounds - not double, not triple but 5 times the cost.

That’s the comparison between Ford and Ferrari at their respective prices.

Many manufacturers do this - the more expensive the car the more they can seemingly charge for limited ‘special’ editions.
It’s the same type of thing just at different levels of wealth

[s m]

gigglebug said:

Cristiano Ronaldo and Nicklas Bendtner are both professional footballers. They too are far from being the same thing though.

Very true....but to buy them for your club would involve vastly differing sums. If they were the same cost then you’d have the right to expect a lot more

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[gigglebug]

s m said:

Fords and Ferraris are often compared but to make it simpler for you and back on the subject of the Focus I meant within their respective class as Ferrari don’t make anything new at the Focus buy-in price

Case in point, a normal RS Focus is approx £40k all in - this Ford sanctioned limited edition is supposedly inviting bids approx double that. You get a few fancy bits and an extra 50bhp plus the ‘cachet’ of a very limited edition run which may appeal if you’re a hardcore Ford collector
Now, Ferrari’s 488 Spider was priced at approx £200,000 - they launch a 10-off special edition J50 for the Japanese market - 20” wheels and some bodywork changes .....plus 20 extra bhp and the ‘cachet’ of owning a very limited edition run which may appeal if you’re a hardcore Ferrari collector ......and it’s over a million pounds - not double, not triple but 5 times the cost.

That’s the comparison between Ford and Ferrari at their respective prices.

Many manufacturers do this - the more expensive the car the more they can seemingly charge for limited ‘special’ editions.
It’s the same type of thing just at different levels of wealth

The comparison just doesn't hold water does it.

The focus in the article doesn't even distinguish itself from the regular model to the level that the upcoming 488 Pista does from the regular Spider let alone the engineering involved with the J50. The 488 Pista isn't going to be anywhere near to double the price of the regular Spider is it. Yes I know it won't be as exclusive as either the J50 or this Focus.

I've nothing against the Focus RS, I quite like it in fact, and I have nothing against the idea of there being a limited edition costing 85K but it would have to be a very special and desirable option when compared to the standard car to justify it, there would have to clear daylight between the two as far as the spec sheet is concerned. Is this car that special on paper? Maybe there is more than the article has detailed. The fact there is only three of them just doesn't make it that special to me.

Edited by gigglebug on Tuesday 29th January 00:54

[s m]

gigglebug said:

The comparison just doesn't hold water does it.

The focus in the article doesn't even distinguish itself from the regular model to the level that the upcoming 488 Pista does from the regular Spider let alone the engineering involved with the J50. The 488 Pista isn't going to be anywhere near to double the price of the regular Spider is it.

I've nothing against the Focus, I like it, and I have nothing against the idea of there being a limited edition costing 85K but it would have to be a very special and desirable option when compared to the standard car to justify it, there would have to clear daylight between the two. Is this car that special? The fact there is only three of them doesn't make it that special to me.

You are paying an extra EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS over the original price of the £200,000 car for those bodywork changes and 20 extra bhp. Think about that - EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS extra on a £200,00 car.
Do you think that is VFM?
That to me seems an amazing hike but then I’m in the market for neither special edition Focus or Ferrari.
We will all have to wait and see whether they get any bids for the Focus

[gigglebug]

s m said:

You are paying an extra EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS over the original price of the £200,000 car for those bodywork changes and 20 extra bhp. Think about that - EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS extra on a £200,00 car.
Do you think that is VFM?
That to me seems an amazing hike but then I’m in the market for neither special edition Focus or Ferrari.
We will all have to wait and see whether they get any bids for the Focus

You do realise that using capitals doesn't make your point any more valid or relevant don't you?

You still seem to be blinded from the seemingly unmissable fact that there is a world of difference in the basic fundamentals of you trying to compare the value for money between one car that has just received a raft of bolt on modifications (many of which by the sounds of it are already pre-existing and could be replicated by anyone) and another receiving a near full on redesign of its exterior which almost certainly couldn't. Your assumption that "some bodywork changes" (have a proper read as to what the actaul differences between the J50 and the regular Spider are) amounts to no more of an undertaking than what the Focus in the article achieves over and above the model that it is based on, and so therefore should somehow only be eligible to a comparative level of price increase, is naive to say the least.

Do you honestly think that there is no concernable difference between the levels of engineering exhibited on the RS50 and the J50? Do you honestly believe that they are a 'like for like' comparison?

Edited by gigglebug on Tuesday 29th January 02:01