RE: Lotus and Williams Advanced Engineering team up
Discussion
Lol at the slugs 
It's a bit misleading to illustrate this article with the 414e - it was produced back in 2012! It's now a very long way from being state of the art, as is the original Tesla Roadster. Williams should be able to leap frog a lot of the current stuff and aim for the sort of stuff Tesla only has on the drawing board at the moment.
It's a bit misleading to illustrate this article with the 414e - it was produced back in 2012! It's now a very long way from being state of the art, as is the original Tesla Roadster. Williams should be able to leap frog a lot of the current stuff and aim for the sort of stuff Tesla only has on the drawing board at the moment.
This plan seems to resemble the Jaguar / Williams tie-up for the cx75. I wonder if it was brought to the table by ex-Jag man PP?
I don’t believe that the CX75 project brought any real benefit to Jaguar, the range extender approach has never been production implemented at Jag to my knowledge.
In addition, these cars are inherently heavy. Is “it’s light.. for BEV” justification for Lotus building a 1600Kg car?
Time will tell, but for me, these moves could be interpreted in a worrying fashion. Better to invest in Lotus and Lotus people, than blowing your cash on an outside organisation like Bahar did with AMG.
I don’t believe that the CX75 project brought any real benefit to Jaguar, the range extender approach has never been production implemented at Jag to my knowledge.
In addition, these cars are inherently heavy. Is “it’s light.. for BEV” justification for Lotus building a 1600Kg car?
Time will tell, but for me, these moves could be interpreted in a worrying fashion. Better to invest in Lotus and Lotus people, than blowing your cash on an outside organisation like Bahar did with AMG.
Fire99 said:
This may cause me to spontaneously combust but I think Dany Bahar was on the right track with his product line-up.
I find Lotus a bit 'wandering' around if I'm honest...
YES, I agree, IF they had the funding of Geely to follow through on development and production of 5 new production cars!I find Lotus a bit 'wandering' around if I'm honest...
NO, when Dany Bahar, was running Lotus with barely a pot to piss in.
Simple truth is, if you build a good enough car, people will buy it. Making it economical is the tricky part, and with smaller production numbers and typically niche markets Lotus occupies, it is really tricky.
Jellinek said:
This plan seems to resemble the Jaguar / Williams tie-up for the cx75. I wonder if it was brought to the table by ex-Jag man PP?
I don’t believe that the CX75 project brought any real benefit to Jaguar, the range extender approach has never been production implemented at Jag to my knowledge.
In addition, these cars are inherently heavy. Is “it’s light.. for BEV” justification for Lotus building a 1600Kg car?
Time will tell, but for me, these moves could be interpreted in a worrying fashion. Better to invest in Lotus and Lotus people, than blowing your cash on an outside organisation like Bahar did with AMG.
It's traditional that Lotus have a new plan for a new direction, then just before we get any fruits from the hard work, they get a new owner/CEO/dinner lady and the new guys tear it all up and head off in a slightly different direction.. MJK, Bahar, Gales and the new lot have all said they'd be producing a new Esprit in good time.I don’t believe that the CX75 project brought any real benefit to Jaguar, the range extender approach has never been production implemented at Jag to my knowledge.
In addition, these cars are inherently heavy. Is “it’s light.. for BEV” justification for Lotus building a 1600Kg car?
Time will tell, but for me, these moves could be interpreted in a worrying fashion. Better to invest in Lotus and Lotus people, than blowing your cash on an outside organisation like Bahar did with AMG.
I can imagine Lotus selling a handful of halo model cars, more than I can Jaguar - Lotus are far better geared up for bespoke developments that don't have to lead on to something specific. Under Geely they can do what most of the previous management only hoped to do, and that's reposition the brand enough to bring a bit of financial stability. For the moment, to a lot of 'normal' buyers, the Elise is not quite a Boxter and the Evora is not quite a 911 - which makes it hard to sell in consistent volume and at a profit.
The question really is what they do to the full model line up once they've shown what they're capable of at the high end.
"the pinnacle of battery technology during the inaugural four seasons of Formula E"
What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
Lets not forget Lotus teamed with Tesla's founders (no NOT Elon Musk
) to build the first EV sports car which became the the basis of the current models
What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
Lets not forget Lotus teamed with Tesla's founders (no NOT Elon Musk
) to build the first EV sports car which became the the basis of the current models mikey k said:
"the pinnacle of battery technology during the inaugural four seasons of Formula E"
What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
Lol. I think one of the biggest problems in racing is thermal management - if you drive the machine to its absolute limits, the batteries and motors get very hot. If the rules allow a swap, I'd take that and make sure that by the point of swapping, everything was glowing.What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
If they can stop a car from self-combusting under the most extreme conditions, that's going to be good for cars that are driven more normally.
mikey k said:
"the pinnacle of battery technology during the inaugural four seasons of Formula E"
What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
Lets not forget Lotus teamed with Tesla's founders (no NOT Elon Musk ) to build the first EV sports car which became the the basis of the current models
(Formula E doesn't require the two cars any more.)What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
Lets not forget Lotus teamed with Tesla's founders (no NOT Elon Musk
) to build the first EV sports car which became the the basis of the current models When you say "teamed" do you mean designed and built it for them?
mikey k said:
"the pinnacle of battery technology during the inaugural four seasons of Formula E"
What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
Lets not forget Lotus teamed with Tesla's founders (no NOT Elon Musk ) to build the first EV sports car which became the the basis of the current models
When Formula E launched, I said it was more likely to setback the cause of electric cars because of the need to swap mid race. That was hardly going to persuade the man in the street who is putting off the idea of an electric car because of range anxiety. It would have made sense at the start to have 2 short races in a day, with support races while the cars are recharged. Twenty minute races are common in motorsport, so it wouldn’t be so glaringly obvious that the battery can’t last a race distance. Later they could extend the races to whatever length the cars could manage. What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
Lets not forget Lotus teamed with Tesla's founders (no NOT Elon Musk
) to build the first EV sports car which became the the basis of the current models As it turns out, apparently nothing can slow the growth in e-car sales, so I clearly know nothing.
SpudLink said:
mikey k said:
"the pinnacle of battery technology during the inaugural four seasons of Formula E"
What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
Lets not forget Lotus teamed with Tesla's founders (no NOT Elon Musk ) to build the first EV sports car which became the the basis of the current models
When Formula E launched, I said it was more likely to setback the cause of electric cars because of the need to swap mid race. That was hardly going to persuade the man in the street who is putting off the idea of an electric car because of range anxiety. It would have made sense at the start to have 2 short races in a day, with support races while the cars are recharged. Twenty minute races are common in motorsport, so it wouldn’t be so glaringly obvious that the battery can’t last a race distance. Later they could extend the races to whatever length the cars could manage. What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
Lets not forget Lotus teamed with Tesla's founders (no NOT Elon Musk
) to build the first EV sports car which became the the basis of the current models As it turns out, apparently nothing can slow the growth in e-car sales, so I clearly know nothing.
I know a fair few "petrol heads" who have also made the switch £££ talk more than people will admit
Cold said:
mikey k said:
"the pinnacle of battery technology during the inaugural four seasons of Formula E"
What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
Lets not forget Lotus teamed with Tesla's founders (no NOT Elon Musk ) to build the first EV sports car which became the the basis of the current models
(Formula E doesn't require the two cars any more.)What where they need to swap cars half way through the race in order to finish!?
Then this technology has a LONG way to go.
Lets not forget Lotus teamed with Tesla's founders (no NOT Elon Musk
) to build the first EV sports car which became the the basis of the current models When you say "teamed" do you mean designed and built it for them?
Elon Musk would have you believe its all him
The two guys that founded Tesla would tell you it was them
Lotus will tell you they did all the work for some one else and got no credit
I'd guess somewhere between the last two
Don't believe much Musk comes out with!
suffolk009 said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Plot twist: Geely buy out Williams, becomes Williams Lotus Volvo.
Or London Taxi International F1.
Of all the daft ideas floating around that one is fairly sensible.Or London Taxi International F1.
Any partnership is going to better than last year’s sad spectacle of two pay-drivers running round at the back of the field, two or three seconds a lap off the pace.
mikey k said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Plot twist: Geely buy out Williams, becomes Williams Lotus Volvo.
Or London Taxi International F1.
Or London Taxi International F1.
stranger things have happened
I reckon that's got all sorts of potential.Instead of tyre and refueling stops, you could have stops to pick up fares at random locations on the circuit, and use London buses as mobile chicanes?
Equus said:
mikey k said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Plot twist: Geely buy out Williams, becomes Williams Lotus Volvo.
Or London Taxi International F1.
Or London Taxi International F1.
stranger things have happened I reckon that's got all sorts of potential.Instead of tyre and refueling stops, you could have stops to pick up fares at random locations on the circuit, and use London buses as mobile chicanes?
mikey k said:
That might actually help fund the two piss poor F1 teams of Lotus and Williams
Don't you mean 3? In recent history there has been the Tony Fernandes incarnation and the Genii Capital incarnation Or are you excluding the Genii Capital version as it achieved some respectable results?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff