Would you still go Diesel...
Discussion
So i’m making the change to a performance petrol from a performance diesel due to the pump prices, depreciations and the overall scare of the diesels.
Is anyone else doing the same and what’s your opnions?
I mean i only do 10k a year but still - wondering peoples thoughts on the future of diesels?
Is anyone else doing the same and what’s your opnions?
I mean i only do 10k a year but still - wondering peoples thoughts on the future of diesels?
I would still consider a diesel.
However, DPFs are a massive concern because large numbers develop faults without warning even when the car is used correctly (mostly long journeys cruising at 50+ mph).
I could easily live with a DPF if only it actually worked the way they're supposed to.
Give me a reliable, trustworthy DPF and I'd swap at least one of our household's cars for a diesel immediately because I make a lot of very long fast journeys.
However, DPFs are a massive concern because large numbers develop faults without warning even when the car is used correctly (mostly long journeys cruising at 50+ mph).
I could easily live with a DPF if only it actually worked the way they're supposed to.
Give me a reliable, trustworthy DPF and I'd swap at least one of our household's cars for a diesel immediately because I make a lot of very long fast journeys.
Paynewright said:
Perhaps we should stop investing in medical advancements that make us live longer! Or introduce a Logans Run style regime!
+ 1. But not at age 30 though.All petrol now. Wouldn't go back to diesel. Don't do the mileage to warrant it, and the writing seems to be on the wall for diesels in cities. A lot cheaper to fill up too, and mpg is pretty impressive.
Mort7 said:
....the writing seems to be on the wall for diesels in cities...
My nearest major city is Cambridge and the last I heard was that the most likely outcome will be that all petrol and diesel will be banned from certain areas soon.Electric or hybrid will be exempt.
So even our Eu-6 compliant petrol (1ltr nat-asp 70hp) would be affected as much as an old diesel.
However, when I have to make trips to London the Eu-6 petrol will come in handy.
Why would I want a diesel for economy?
I use a lot of rentals for work and I recently did a 146 mile round-trip in a hybrid Toyota CR H and it cost £11 in petrol. I did the same trip in a 2.0 diesel Insignia and it cost about £20. For argument sake both automatics.
Even the 1.6 diesel Insignia cost more to do a similar trip than a 4 speed automatic i20 with a 1.2 petrol.
Modern diesels just dont seen to be as economical as older ones, I managed about 70mpg out of my old 2.0CRDI Kia, but struggle to get 40 out of a new diesel. Honestly, the mpg difference really isn't that much. Not in the real world.
I use a lot of rentals for work and I recently did a 146 mile round-trip in a hybrid Toyota CR H and it cost £11 in petrol. I did the same trip in a 2.0 diesel Insignia and it cost about £20. For argument sake both automatics.
Even the 1.6 diesel Insignia cost more to do a similar trip than a 4 speed automatic i20 with a 1.2 petrol.
Modern diesels just dont seen to be as economical as older ones, I managed about 70mpg out of my old 2.0CRDI Kia, but struggle to get 40 out of a new diesel. Honestly, the mpg difference really isn't that much. Not in the real world.
Ron99 said:
I would still consider a diesel.
However, DPFs are a massive concern because large numbers develop faults without warning even when the car is used correctly (mostly long journeys cruising at 50+ mph).
I could easily live with a DPF if only it actually worked the way they're supposed to.
Give me a reliable, trustworthy DPF and I'd swap at least one of our household's cars for a diesel immediately because I make a lot of very long fast journeys.
Me too. However, DPFs are a massive concern because large numbers develop faults without warning even when the car is used correctly (mostly long journeys cruising at 50+ mph).
I could easily live with a DPF if only it actually worked the way they're supposed to.
Give me a reliable, trustworthy DPF and I'd swap at least one of our household's cars for a diesel immediately because I make a lot of very long fast journeys.
I've been driving diesel vehicles since the 70s and currently have two in the family fleet alongside petrol fun things. My wife's Fiesta 'Trundlebuggy', 140000 miles on the clock and it just keeps chugging away 20000 miles per annum at at 65 mpg, and my daily Shogun, 150000 miles on the clock, towing heavy trailers, on road, off road, surprisingly nippy yet still gets 30+ mpg.
Both are really overdue for replacement, but I'm really struggling to think of what to replace them with. I've experienced DPF and don't want to again but I don't know what else will give me the torque and economy of a diesel. Anyone know where I can buy brand new old tech diesels? I've even considered trying to rebuild something old tech myself.
PS, I live in the middle of nowhere and hardly ever visit a town let alone a city so I don't think diesel soot particles are any kind of concern.
Edited by Vanordinaire on Sunday 3rd February 22:37
I still go diesel. 25k miles a year, mostly chugging along motorways, diesel is my friend because it's doing 50mpg despite being over 110k miles and 15 years old. A petrol may clatter less but the fuel bill would be twice the size, for equivalent cars.
Because the government has changed tack again on whether diesel is supposedly socially acceptable or not, doesn't change the fact that diesel is ideal for a lot of drivers.
I'm also of the viewpoint that running a used, existing car into the ground, by putting another 100k on it over four years is probably more environmentally friendly in the big picture, when compared to commissioning the manufacture of a brand new car and replacing every 2/3 years, regardless of fuel type. That's why I don't buy into the anti-diesel thing from a environmental stand point.
Because the government has changed tack again on whether diesel is supposedly socially acceptable or not, doesn't change the fact that diesel is ideal for a lot of drivers.
I'm also of the viewpoint that running a used, existing car into the ground, by putting another 100k on it over four years is probably more environmentally friendly in the big picture, when compared to commissioning the manufacture of a brand new car and replacing every 2/3 years, regardless of fuel type. That's why I don't buy into the anti-diesel thing from a environmental stand point.
It’s becoming a very tough question.
As a commuting tool, I’d have one. Until recently I was doing north of 25k p/a getting almost 50mpg out of my 2003 1.9 TDI. Pretty effortless cruising, decent performance and reliable. Anything else just seems like a compromise.
Nowadays doing 8k p/a it’s more difficult. If I could get the spec I want with a petrol I’d go for it. Not because it’s a better tool, but because I’m scared of the future vilifying of diesel by our Govt.
If only the Govt had the foresight a few years ago, when they encouraged everybody into lower CO2 emitting diesels... what they should have done, is incentivised LPG in town centres, with its clean burn, and let repmobile diesels run up and down motorways, away from people’s lungs, to their hearts content.
The worst bit about it is after all the f*ck ups, they still can’t get it right now.
As a commuting tool, I’d have one. Until recently I was doing north of 25k p/a getting almost 50mpg out of my 2003 1.9 TDI. Pretty effortless cruising, decent performance and reliable. Anything else just seems like a compromise.
Nowadays doing 8k p/a it’s more difficult. If I could get the spec I want with a petrol I’d go for it. Not because it’s a better tool, but because I’m scared of the future vilifying of diesel by our Govt.
If only the Govt had the foresight a few years ago, when they encouraged everybody into lower CO2 emitting diesels... what they should have done, is incentivised LPG in town centres, with its clean burn, and let repmobile diesels run up and down motorways, away from people’s lungs, to their hearts content.
The worst bit about it is after all the f*ck ups, they still can’t get it right now.
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