RE: Mountune launches m400X map for Focus RS

[mrnoisy78]

IanJ9375 said:

Apart from some oil leaks here and there not much really - a few had to have repair after repair (before the recall) whilst Ford were figuring it all out I expect.
To be fair to Ford they honoured the fix even on cars heavily tuned beyond the warranty for the gead gasket issue.

The later issues that people have had seem to be more about how good the technician was at the dealership rather than any follow on engine issue.

FPM375 for me makes sense, warranty still active for a couple more years etc - some people can't seem to agree with the very non-turbo feel to the car, you certainly have to rev it to get the most out of it and of course a DCT/DSG type gearbox is always going to have an advantage in a straightline.

Dyno figures don’t lie mate, my OEM car was down nearly 20bhp on quoted figures pre FPM and felt it. Post FPM375 still didn’t feel special but the extra weight doesn’t help there.
It’s nothing to do with needing to rev it out as the car doesn’t offer much top end as the turbo runs out of puff and torque drops off rapidly compared to some other competitors, same issue a lot of hot hatches have.
You want lack of torque try an e92 M3!

Edited by mrnoisy78 on Monday 11th February 23:51

[Ahbefive]

mrnoisy78 said:

Here’s a link to just one of many examples all too easy to find if you understand how to use a search engine rather than listening to the sound of your own voice, as you always seem to do whenever anyone has anything remotely negative to suggest about a Focus RS - I mean anyone would think you owned one and had been brainwashed LOL.

I actually bought another Impreza as a second car after I sold my FRS and it’s incredible to me that the Subaru feels just as quick yet more fun to drive and a better ride and interior even though it’s nearly 15 years older...never regretted selling mine for a minute - only performance car I’ve ever owned that I’ve said that about, go figure.
Nice looking machines but meh to own.
Each to their own but I certainly wouldn’t be putting my hard earned into another.

https://youtu.be/1cSZ1pru5Fo

I still can't find a link to ANY examples. Please show me ONE. This guy Mark is a well known hypochondriac and his car was merely weeping a small bit of oil which would have been repaired under warranty.

Any links to cars actually failing after the repair please?...... Any info appreciated as I can't find any. I'm in no way brainwashed and have a few cars and like lots of cars but the idiocy of so many people spouting nonsense about the car is tiring.

I also like Subarus but the RS is more fun than any I have driven (which is most types) as well as being more refined. To say the interior of a 15year old Subaru is in any way better is sheer moronic though. I may change my Megane for another Impreza though.

[mrnoisy78]

Ahbefive said:

I still can't find a link to ANY examples. Please show me ONE. This guy Mark is a well known hypochondriac and his car was merely weeping a small bit of oil which would have been repaired under warranty.

Any links to cars actually failing after the repair please?...... Any info appreciated as I can't find any. I'm in no way brainwashed and have a few cars and like lots of cars but the idiocy of so many people spouting nonsense about the car is tiring.

I also like Subarus but the RS is more fun than any I have driven (which is most types) as well as being more refined. To say the interior of a 15year old Subaru is in any way better is sheer moronic though. I may change my Megane for another Impreza though.

Don’t see why saying one car is better than another is moronic. It’s all subjective. Every car I’ve ever owned has had flaws.
The Impreza has better more comfortable seats that don’t rattle your spine to pieces compared to the RS shell seats, and the dash plastics for me look better than the harder mottled ones in the Ford. The Ford has leather and some alcantera yes but it looks badly executed imo.
The subaru may not have CarPlay as standard but that’s easy to retrofit .

[hairykrishna]

Ahbefive said:

What a knobbish thing of you to say. What have I EVER said on here that is "full of st"???

Anyone with any experience of these cars will tell you the same. You are wrong on both counts but it seems that somewhat upsets you. There,there.

I've never driven the Focus but I find it hard to believe that it could be less stable at that speed. My Sapphire Cosworth didn't exactly inspire much confidence up above about 130.

[mrnoisy78]

hairykrishna said:

I've never driven the Focus but I find it hard to believe that it could be less stable at that speed. My Sapphire Cosworth didn't exactly inspire much confidence up above about 130.

Steering on the Focus does go a little light at higher speeds but it’s not terrible. It’s the veering off without steering input that’s the scary bit, and that happened to me. Ford turned off the auto steer which helped a little but didn’t cure it.

[blade7]

hairykrishna said:

I've never driven the Focus but I find it hard to believe that it could be less stable at that speed. My Sapphire Cosworth didn't exactly inspire much confidence up above about 130.

Are you implying a Sapphire Cosworth is comparable to the 87 Cosworth?

[hairykrishna]

blade7 said:

hairykrishna said:

I've never driven the Focus but I find it hard to believe that it could be less stable at that speed. My Sapphire Cosworth didn't exactly inspire much confidence up above about 130.

Are you implying a Sapphire Cosworth is comparable to the 87 Cosworth?

I hadn't twigged that you were talking about the RS500 - my mistake. In that case I revise my statement to say that my turbo technics Sierra 4i RS500 lookalike was also pretty ropey at very high speed. Maybe the real one was better, but I doubt it.

[J4CKO]

blade7 said:

hairykrishna said:

I've never driven the Focus but I find it hard to believe that it could be less stable at that speed. My Sapphire Cosworth didn't exactly inspire much confidence up above about 130.

Are you implying a Sapphire Cosworth is comparable to the 87 Cosworth?

Isnt it ?

Is that down to the wing ?

[xjay1337]

Onehp said:

xjay1337 said:

Onehp said:

xjay1337 said:

What info do you want to know?

They were driving

Then they went "BOOM" in a cloud of smoke and oil...........

Then they were no longer driving.

What were They driving? 500hp Golf V gti? Or were they all the latest mk7 Golf R with 500hp using what kind of kit? Could just be that you visit a bad tuner... Or perhaps 500hp is genuinely too much if spread on different tuners/set-ups. Something like that. If you don't want to go in detail, just don't answer...

All where MQB platform cars.
Lost count of the amount of ea113 cars that have blown up

If you think you can reliably get 500hp out of 2.0 then that says it all.
They all blow up eventually. I think anything over say 400 is going to be "when" not "if - simply no overhead for anything, usually ring landings go but I've seen rods bend as well.

Thanks for the proper answer. Reliably is a big word indeed, it won't last 200'000 miles if you use the power regularly for sure. Taking great care warming the engine and changing oil often will help, not sure backward hat types have the discipline to do so if an early opportunity to show off or race presents itself...
As is limiting torque, 560Nm will get you 500hp peak but many run significantly more, risking internals exponentially (or infinitely.. ) more for overload. Also additional oil coolers and conservative temp limits (lower than oem) ... lots of compromises needed to be 'safe'.

I'm running approx 380hp/430Nm and think that is plenty... Probably too much already for proper track work without additional cooling...

Since you must be an expert there's no point explaining to you about it

That, and we are all backward hat types....

[IanJ9375]

mrnoisy78 said:

Dyno figures don’t lie mate, my OEM car was down nearly 20bhp on quoted figures pre FPM and felt it. Post FPM375 still didn’t feel special but the extra weight doesn’t help there.
It’s nothing to do with needing to rev it out as the car doesn’t offer much top end as the turbo runs out of puff and torque drops off rapidly compared to some other competitors, same issue a lot of hot hatches have.
You want lack of torque try an e92 M3!

Edited by mrnoisy78 on Monday 11th February 23:51

Erm I think we can all agree that Dynos do lie, often.

I'm not someone who normally likes a turbo car but I do get on with the FPM375 RS pretty well, I like the weirdly NA feel to the car - strange I know.

[mrnoisy78]

IanJ9375 said:

Erm I think we can all agree that Dynos do lie, often.

I'm not someone who normally likes a turbo car but I do get on with the FPM375 RS pretty well, I like the weirdly NA feel to the car - strange I know.

Every other car I’ve taken to the same
Rollers makes virtually identical to quoted power or more, so pretty confident been going there 10 years .

Have to admit I didn’t like the RS power delivery prefer old school thump in the back. Even my RS3 gives you more shove which considering they quote 367(?) it should feel and be slower than the Mountune gear.

[blade7]

hairykrishna said:

I hadn't twigged that you were talking about the RS500 - my mistake. In that case I revise my statement to say that my turbo technics Sierra 4i RS500 lookalike was also pretty ropey at very high speed. Maybe the real one was better, but I doubt it.

[Ahbefive]

mrnoisy78 said:

Don’t see why saying one car is better than another is moronic.

I never said it was.

I said that saying the interior of a 15year old Subaru impreza is better than that of a 2017 Focus (let alone an RS) is moronic.

If someone prefers another car entirely then that is indeed subjective but the interior is not at all comparable.

[xjay1337]

mrnoisy78 said:

Dyno figures don’t lie mate, my OEM car was down nearly 20bhp on quoted figures pre FPM and felt it. Post FPM375 still didn’t feel special but the extra weight doesn’t help there.
It’s nothing to do with needing to rev it out as the car doesn’t offer much top end as the turbo runs out of puff and torque drops off rapidly compared to some other competitors, same issue a lot of hot hatches have.
You want lack of torque try an e92 M3!

Edited by mrnoisy78 on Monday 11th February 23:51

Dyno figures are irrelevant though really
Unless you dyno a car standard and a car post change on the same dyno, with a few runs (for calibration) and the same conditions you won't be able to tell

[Scobblelotcher]

xjay1337 said:

mrnoisy78 said:

Dyno figures don’t lie mate, my OEM car was down nearly 20bhp on quoted figures pre FPM and felt it. Post FPM375 still didn’t feel special but the extra weight doesn’t help there.
It’s nothing to do with needing to rev it out as the car doesn’t offer much top end as the turbo runs out of puff and torque drops off rapidly compared to some other competitors, same issue a lot of hot hatches have.
You want lack of torque try an e92 M3!

Edited by mrnoisy78 on Monday 11th February 23:51

Dyno figures are irrelevant though really
Unless you dyno a car standard and a car post change on the same dyno, with a few runs (for calibration) and the same conditions you won't be able to tell

I’ve seen our very own vipxy (spelling?) on a YouTube video who runs a dyno shop say they are all down on power from the factory with most making around 330bhp.

[oobster]

Dyno graph of my car (FPM375) in Oct last year:

frs mk3 by Andy McMillan, on Flickr

My car had the head gasket replaced as part of the recall earlier last year, car had done approx. 14K miles when it went on the rollers.

I am not in any way clued up about Dyno graphs, but I was told that doing a rough back calculation to get flywheel figures would show around 366'ish bhp. Something about add 10bhp then divide by .9?

If that is true (once again - I am not NOT clued up on this AT ALL) then it's not far off the 375bhp (or ps) claimed by the Mountune upgrade.

[IanJ9375]

mrnoisy78 said:

Every other car I’ve taken to the same
Rollers makes virtually identical to quoted power or more, so pretty confident been going there 10 years .

Have to admit I didn’t like the RS power delivery prefer old school thump in the back. Even my RS3 gives you more shove which considering they quote 367(?) it should feel and be slower than the Mountune gear.

Each to their own, I've got a big dirty 413lbft in the 330d for big old thump in the back - but no a 367bhp DSG boxed car won't be slower than a 370bhp FPM RS.

I'd probably say that like for like 2 cars running the same power/weight would probably need 30-50bhp etc to cover a DSG boxed car

[Belle427]

There seems to be a 50/50 split on love hate for this car, it's a shame as I was considering maybe buying one later this year if the prices came down closer to £25k.
Yes the interior is a bit ste the same as all other ford rs cars but there is something about the more subtle look I like.

[IanJ9375]

Belle427 said:

There seems to be a 50/50 split on love hate for this car, it's a shame as I was considering maybe buying one later this year if the prices came down closer to £25k.
Yes the interior is a bit ste the same as all other ford rs cars but there is something about the more subtle look I like.

Drive one is what I would say as it's always better to make your own mind up

And see if you can find an FPM375 car with the extended 5yr warranty for peace of mind

[hairykrishna]

blade7 said:

hairykrishna said:

I hadn't twigged that you were talking about the RS500 - my mistake. In that case I revise my statement to say that my turbo technics Sierra 4i RS500 lookalike was also pretty ropey at very high speed. Maybe the real one was better, but I doubt it.

Ok. I've driven a Sierra Sappire Cosworth at high speed. I've driven a turbocharged 4i with the same aero as a RS500 at high speed. Neither felt very stable. That's my reason for thinking that an RS500 would not be at all 'planted' at 160mph. What's your reason for thinking the opposite?