RE: SVO fuses 550hp V8 with Range Rover Velar

[unrepentant]

selondonman said:

why cant the show the interior with right hand drive ? just lazy by JLR

Well, all you PH naysayers in the UK are saying that they've made a huge mistake even making this car, that it won't sell and that like everything else they've done it's doomed to failure.

Whereas here in the USA we know that, just like F-Pace SVR and RR Sport SVR our biggest problem is that we won't get anywhere near enough of them. I hope they make them all in LHD and ship them all here.

[rayyan171]

bertie said:

Ares said:

The RRS sits pretty much bang in between the Velar and FFRR. 4.8m, 4.9m, 5.0m.

But for those feeling a little overawed by a larger car, the RRS is a lot higher than a Velar, and wider. It also has more interior space and the option of 7 seats.


Or in other words. Size!

I’m still not sure if you mean the Sport is better because it’s bigger?

I don't see what is all the fuss about the Sport. I personally find it nicer than the Velar, especially with the facelift. The new lights bring it back up to current generation Range Rover styling. Size really does matter with the RRS too, the Velar is somewhat low slung for its profile, whereas the RRS is much more roomy, which matters to most people buying these things anyway. Matter of fact, size is an important thing when considering a RR. The velar may look nicer to some and likely drive nicer, but if we were looking for a RR to replace our X5, it wouldn't be a Velar, it would be a sport. Velar definitely competes more with the X3, Q5, GLC in terms of size. Makes the SVO look rather unique, its the only one out of all that offers that much power. Most power you can get in those cars is between 300-400hp.

[g3org3y]

unrepentant said:

oldtimer2 said:

The Velar is a good looking car. I would be interested to know how the pop out door handles fared in the polar vortex conditions in the USA. I believe they were engineered to work down to -10°C. Temperature has fallen below that on accession even here in the UK. Anyone know?

It was -37 with wind chill here last week. My car was parked outside all day and I had no issues.

I may be wrong (and may have misinterpreted your post) but iirc wind chill doesn't cool an object to lower than the ambient air temperature.

[anonymous-user]

rayyan171 said:

bertie said:

Ares said:

The RRS sits pretty much bang in between the Velar and FFRR. 4.8m, 4.9m, 5.0m.

But for those feeling a little overawed by a larger car, the RRS is a lot higher than a Velar, and wider. It also has more interior space and the option of 7 seats.


Or in other words. Size!

I’m still not sure if you mean the Sport is better because it’s bigger?

I don't see what is all the fuss about the Sport. I personally find it nicer than the Velar, especially with the facelift. The new lights bring it back up to current generation Range Rover styling. Size really does matter with the RRS too, the Velar is somewhat low slung for its profile, whereas the RRS is much more roomy, which matters to most people buying these things anyway. Matter of fact, size is an important thing when considering a RR. The velar may look nicer to some and likely drive nicer, but if we were looking for a RR to replace our X5, it wouldn't be a Velar, it would be a sport. Velar definitely competes more with the X3, Q5, GLC in terms of size. Makes the SVO look rather unique, its the only one out of all that offers that much power. Most power you can get in those cars is between 300-400hp.

GLC63s = 510 bhp

Stelvio Quadrifoglio = 510 bhp

Still like this though.

[Hairymonster]

Brooking10 said:

Hairymonster said:

nickfrog said:

Andy20vt said:

Suppose if you have lots of wealth and are confident in yourself (i.e. don't feel the need to shout about it to all and sundry) then you can pick the best tool for the job without feeling the pressure to maintain a certain image all the time.

I think the image thing is how you perceive it. Or the owners just pick a car to annoy the typical bitter, chip on shoulder type. It doesn't take much those to get irate, based on your tone, so I don't blame them.

Here he is again: Our token SUV-owner-with-chip-on-the-shoulder

Here he is again another buffoon who gets a rise from saying stupid things on SUV threads.

Let me guess: Vauxhall Mokka?

[bertie]

Barga said:

Yep, Porsche down 40% for January!

I take absolutely no pleasure in this as I’ve a huge vested interest in JLR doing well, however ...


Jaguar Land Rover falls to £3.4bn loss amid diesel and China woes


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/02/07/ja...

[anonymous-user]

bertie said:

Barga said:

Yep, Porsche down 40% for January!

I take absolutely no pleasure in this as I’ve a huge vested interest in JLR doing well, however ...


Jaguar Land Rover falls to £3.4bn loss amid diesel and China woes


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/02/07/ja...

There’s no good news in those numbers but please don’t encourage the idiots who will manifestly fail to understand what underpins them and instead will claim it’s all down to dwindling U.K. sales because of pcp and their mate who had one break down.

[anonymous-user]

Hairymonster said:

Brooking10 said:

Hairymonster said:

nickfrog said:

Andy20vt said:

Suppose if you have lots of wealth and are confident in yourself (i.e. don't feel the need to shout about it to all and sundry) then you can pick the best tool for the job without feeling the pressure to maintain a certain image all the time.

I think the image thing is how you perceive it. Or the owners just pick a car to annoy the typical bitter, chip on shoulder type. It doesn't take much those to get irate, based on your tone, so I don't blame them.

Here he is again: Our token SUV-owner-with-chip-on-the-shoulder

Here he is again another buffoon who gets a rise from saying stupid things on SUV threads.

Let me guess: Vauxhall Mokka?

Let me guess massive cocker and tt who signed up only to troll ?

[st4]

3yardy3 said:

But don't worry they will blame Brexit!

The shameful way JLR have pontificated about the result of a referendum that had the highest turn out in UK history means I will never buy a JLR product.

Rather than use the past two years to sort out supply chains instead they've used every opportunity to pontificate against the political direction of the country which has given their products the cache and class to be sold at a vast premium.

Who says they need to use ZF gearboxes - why can't they use Aisin ones for instance. Who says the shocks etc need to come from Sachs etc in Germany - they can get them made here or any other non EU country. They've had two years to sort this out and because they haven't they deserve to fail and not be bailed out. Who says parts need to arrive in a just in time basis - this isn't rocket science - order 'em up a couple of weeks before their needed and the plants needn't shut down. It's not like food - gearboxes don't go bad after three days.

Edited by st4 on Friday 8th February 10:45

[wst]

st4 said:

Who says parts need to arrive in a just in time basis - this isn't rocket science - order 'em up a couple of weeks before their needed and the plants needn't shut down. It's not like food - gearboxes don't go bad after three days.

Stand back guys, we have someone here more qualified than the boffins at Toyota who invented this system and revolutionised manufacturing.

[st4]

wst said:

tand back guys, we have someone here more qualified than the boffins at Toyota who invented this system and revolutionised manufacturing.

Times change - if JLR wish to use parts from Europe they will need to order them a little more ahead of schedule. Or source parts from outwith Europe - or better still, here- in Britain. That's what they should be doing rather than complain about the result of a referendum that had a record turn out.

[Equilibrium25]

wst said:

st4 said:

Who says parts need to arrive in a just in time basis - this isn't rocket science - order 'em up a couple of weeks before their needed and the plants needn't shut down. It's not like food - gearboxes don't go bad after three days.

Stand back guys, we have someone here more qualified than the boffins at Toyota who invented this system and revolutionised manufacturing.

I was just thinking the same. All those manufacturers, just wasting their time these past few decades. We managed without J-I-T in the BL days, we can do so again!! ;-)

[fiatpower]

st4 said:

It's not like food - gearboxes don't go bad after three days.

Edited by st4 on Friday 8th February 10:45

You're right but then again the average box of bananas is a bit smaller than a pallet of gearboxes. You'd need multiple huge warehouses that cost millions and millions on top of the associated logistic costs to hold stock for 2 weeks of production.

You'd also have to hold multiple stocks of all variants and specs again increasing stock number. I guess JLR could always just build one spec but then they'd get slaughtered in the market for lack of choice!

[st4]

fiatpower said:

You're right but then again the average box of bananas is a bit smaller than a pallet of gearboxes. You'd need multiple huge warehouses that cost millions and millions on top of the associated logistic costs to hold stock for 2 weeks of production.

You'd also have to hold multiple stocks of all variants and specs again increasing stock number. I guess JLR could always just build one spec but then they'd get slaughtered in the market for lack of choice!

True - but they've had two years to sort this out - Brexit isn't something that's just cropped out and lambasting the outcome of the vote isn't a way to win custom and goodwill in your domestic market. Adapting to the times is good and prudent.

They could hold the stock and perhaps reduce the number of variants used - it's an opportunity to streamline the range and cars offered. They offer a crazy number of SUV type cars that do overlap - slim this down to discovery, range rover and evoque would be a good start.

[Todd Bonzalez]

You'd actually need the largest warehouse in history iirc. And then incredibly good internal logistics.

[unrepentant]

Todd Bonzalez said:

You'd actually need the largest warehouse in history iirc. And then incredibly good internal logistics.

The operation at Solihull is something to behold, incredibly efficient. Even with a football stadium sized warehouse it is essential for the smooth running that "just in time" works flawlessly.

Brexit must be a disaster for British manufacturers of size and scale. I wouldn't blame any of them for saying fk this and moving overseas. I can't see JLR doing it but it must be a temptation.

They can come to South Carolina or Georgia where BMW and MB build their SUV's and cut my lead time in half. I wish.

[anonymous-user]

st4 said:

The shameful way JLR have pontificated about the result of a referendum that had the highest turn out in UK history means I will never buy a JLR product.

Rather than use the past two years to sort out supply chains instead they've used every opportunity to pontificate against the political direction of the country which has given their products the cache and class to be sold at a vast premium.

Who says they need to use ZF gearboxes - why can't they use Aisin ones for instance. Who says the shocks etc need to come from Sachs etc in Germany - they can get them made here or any other non EU country. They've had two years to sort this out and because they haven't they deserve to fail and not be bailed out. Who says parts need to arrive in a just in time basis - this isn't rocket science - order 'em up a couple of weeks before their needed and the plants needn't shut down. It's not like food - gearboxes don't go bad after three days.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 8th February 10:45

Aren’t you getting a bit ahead of yourself talking about bailouts and getting all riled at the prospect ?

If you’re the bloke who got banned from MBClub with a remarkably similar profile a while back don’t you work at a well known bailed out McBank ?

[Ares]

bertie said:

Ares said:

The RRS sits pretty much bang in between the Velar and FFRR. 4.8m, 4.9m, 5.0m.

But for those feeling a little overawed by a larger car, the RRS is a lot higher than a Velar, and wider. It also has more interior space and the option of 7 seats.


Or in other words. Size!

I’m still not sure if you mean the Sport is better because it’s bigger?

No-one said better. The question was why would someone chose a RRS over a Velar when it's £10-15k cheaper.

[Ares]

g3org3y said:

unrepentant said:

oldtimer2 said:

The Velar is a good looking car. I would be interested to know how the pop out door handles fared in the polar vortex conditions in the USA. I believe they were engineered to work down to -10°C. Temperature has fallen below that on accession even here in the UK. Anyone know?

It was -37 with wind chill here last week. My car was parked outside all day and I had no issues.

I may be wrong (and may have misinterpreted your post) but iirc wind chill doesn't cool an object to lower than the ambient air temperature.

OK, my post cited -28 degrees ambient (-43 wind chill), and they worked in that!

[Pintofbest]

st4 said:

They do - they could build EU (LHD cars) in EU countries and build UK and other RHD cars here and perhaps use less EU made parts for the RHD cars.

You are completely wrong in your guess as to what is produced where. Cars are build by model line not market and then there are a few oddities with JV in China and Brazil making cars for the local market. As for what is made in Europe for global sales (LHD and RHD):

RR, RRS, Velar, F-pace - Solihull
Jag saloons and F Type - CB
I-Pace - Magna Steyr (sub contract)
E-Pace, Disco - Graz (JLR plant)
Evoque, Disco Sport - Halewood